Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by dave_n_ruth:
Too complicated? Kaep throws the bullet pass. Every play call has the receivers within line of sight of Keap. What, are the receivers confused on what do do during run plays? Next year they will expand the play book, and Kaep will improve his skills with the pass. The receivers are just going to need to do their F'ing jobs and learn their routes and they will be fine.

I always enjoy the opinion of fairweather trolls. Especially the pure ignorance.

And this ladies and gentlemen is what happens when 60 year old grandparents think they are football experts because they started paying attention to the home team when buzz built up that they had a great chance to win it all. 2005 was the last time Seahawks fans actually noticed the NFL so.. not surprising that they never seem to know what they are talking about...

I don't care how it happens I hope JH stays in San Fran! I love the hostility in the 9er-seahawk rivalry and the history between JH and carroll just adds to it!

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

I don't care how it happens I hope JH stays in San Fran! I love the hostility in the 9er-seahawk rivalry and the history between JH and carroll just adds to it!

Don't worry, Baalke will be the one to go.

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by verb1der:
I think it would be tragic, Kaep needs Jim!

why does kap need Jim? jim isn't some offensive genius, we know that much

look at how play callers like chip kelly and marc trestman have simplified things for their entire offense

the 9ers like to drown their players in complexity and don't utilize talents of young players until they prove they have mastered that complexity

its worked so far but we should've won a superbowl

He needs Jim like Montana needed Walsh!

Harbaugh couldn't polish Walsh's shoes when I comes to offense and QB tutelage. Walsh not only won with Montana, before Montana he turned Steve DeBerg into a league leader in passing yardage. During the Montana years, he won with Steve Bono, Jeff Kemp, Bill Musgrave and a kid from UC Davis whose name I can't remember. He also recognized the potential in Steve Young when everyone else in the league thought he was a bum…and he got Young to a level that allowed him to become a HOF QB.

Harbaugh's reputation says he should be able to get Kaepernick to a high level but this last season was a wash. Still the same issues.

I'm not suggesting they dump Harbaugh but let's be realistic about what he has actually accomplished with Kaepernick.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by pd24:
Tim Kawakami‏@timkawakami1 hr The most important thing for the 49ers is that the relationship between Jim Harbaugh and Jed York remains solid.

Baalke is the one that needs to go.

lol mayo. Every 9ers reporter has said it'll be Harbaugh not Baalke if push comes to shove. Even the NFL.com people like Michael Silver are saying the same thing.

Originally posted by sfout:

lol mayo. Every 9ers reporter has said it'll be Harbaugh not Baalke if push comes to shove. Even the NFL.com people like Michael Silver are saying the same thing.

York and Harbaugh are tight. I see him siding with Harbaugh not Baalke. We'll see.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by sfout:
lol mayo. Every 9ers reporter has said it'll be Harbaugh not Baalke if push comes to shove. Even the NFL.com people like Michael Silver are saying the same thing.

York and Harbaugh are tight. I see him siding with Harbaugh not Baalke. We'll see.

York and Baalke are tight also.

no one is going anywhere

ok guys there will be no sides....not everyone has to get along

does anyone on here know the history of this franchise?

when we were winning those superbowls it was absolute chaos in the 49ers front office.....eddie d. and bill walsh in epic fights/almost firing rants multiple times

this is child's play compared to that

"creative tension" is good...everyone is focused on winning superbowls nothing else

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by dj43:
I see absolutely no reason the 49ers should extend Harbaugh between now and the end of the 2014 season. He has done a mediocre job with a loaded roster that is capable of winning the Super Bowl. A coach should only be rewarded when he makes the most of the situation he has been given, not when someone stirs up a big stink about something that might have happened. Harbaugh has been a huge improvement over Singletary who was one of the worst coaches in history. Need to keep things in perspective.

I agree Jim had his shortcomings in the super bowl and this past NFCCG but the fact is we have arguably been the best team over the last three years under Jim. Now the problem is we have zero chips to show for it

Yes, that IS the problem. When you have the best talent 3 years in a row, or 2 out of the last 3 years, and have no chips to show for it, you don't deserve a raise. In fact, it is fair to call in question just how good a coach one is.

So the standard now is 3 years without a SB and you're now called into question? I mean, go ahead if you feel indignant enough about it, but stop and think how realistic is it to win a SB in 3 years after taking over a deeply dysfunctional team. Now, if we were still struggling at 8-8 or 6-10, then yes, questioning makes perfect sense. But after winning 36 games in 3 years, 2 NFC West titles, 3 NFC championship appearances in a row with one NFC Championship leading to one SB that we came within 5 yards of winning, most people would call that an incredible success.

Think about it...most teams in the league would KILL for those kinds of "chips" and I would hope most fans would appreciate that kind of ongoing success, especially after going a decade in utter shame and humility.

Ok, so he many not be Bill Walsh great yet (or maybe never), but if all of the above doesn't qualify as "good" in your book, than the problem is with your expectations, not with Harbaugh. It took John Harbaugh 5 years to get his ring, and Carroll just got his first after 20 years of NFL coaching and everyone thinks he's a genius now.

We need to keep the entire team situation in perspective. The franchise had been in purgatory for 10 years. Erickson/Nolan/Singletary were the worst string of coaches the team has ever had (Fred Meyer and Pete McCully excepted). Prior to Singletary's last season, the 49ers were the sexy choice to win the division. Years of weak seasons had yielded lots of high draft choices that looked like high quality. Many were predicting as many as 11 or 12 wins. The talent was here. We all know and recognize that. What Harbaugh took over was poised to do exactly what they did - win. Harbaugh did what was expected from a good coach with excellent talent.

For all us fans, we were ecstatic when Harbaugh delivered what many had expected before his arrival. He was made the messiah and he did a good job. Now, three years later, we see the offense still struggling in critical situations, the young handpicked QB plateaued this past season, and the coaching staff is still struggling with game management issues that are as bad or worse than the Singletary years. Indeed, the team led the league in delay of game penalties 2 years. However, because JH has been SO MUCH better than Singletary, many here still want to anoint him messiah. I am not one of those.

I believe Harbaugh is a good coach, not a great one. ESPN anonymously polled 320 current NFL players prior to the Super Bowl as to which coach in the NFL they would most like to play for. Jim Harbaugh finished 8th. That is just about where I rate him among current NFL coaches.

There's a place in between "messiah" as you call it and just a "good coach" as you believe him to be. It takes a great coach to take a group of talented players who didn't know how to play winning football, and elevate them to perennial SB contenders. For all the issues our offense has had (and there are many), the defense has been pretty spectacular since he took over.

I seriously can't believe you just said that our QB, who just finished up his FIRST FULL season as a starter has "plateaued." Kap was the 10th rated QB in the league last year (91.6) and 7th in QBR (68.6) ahead of such notables as Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Russell Wilson, Newton, Dalton and even Alex Smith (49.4). By all measure, he had a great first full year and (IMO) only the pessimist can't see him getting even better with a healthy WR corps.

IMO, people see what they want to see, and not always what's really going on. When a coach fails to win a SB, they definitely open themselves up to intense scrutiny, so I get that. But when you see the entire picture (not just snippets of the bad stuff, which every team deals with), Harbaugh by most objective observers qualifies as a "great coach."

When I say plateaued I mean he still has the same issues we have discussed in the Kaepernick thread ad nauseum. Numerous writers have made the same observations about him.

As to "great" versus "good," I'm going to just leave it alone. It is a matter of degrees. I put Harbaugh among the top 10, not top 5, coaches in the league. That is a lot better than a lot of other teams and its OK with me. Again, we have detailed all his shortcomings and don't care to go back through that again here either.

We likely just disagree on degrees.

nobody is going anywhere
but if someone has to go it better be baalke.

better be.

jim is the leader of men. he proves not just anyone can do it when he took the same team that went 6-10 to 13-3 in a strike year.

york needs to show some balls here.

put them together and say look. jim we're going to pay you so there it is.
trent you can leave if you want to or you can work with this man who is going to be here for 10 more years. the choice is yours.

the coach is more important than the gm in this instance. way more important imo.

baalke better let that ego go somewhere if there is a rift.

Harbaugh didn't want to trade Mays. Piece of shhhheeett baakle did

So there are reports surfacing that Baalke and Harbaugh are barely talking, and communicating via email? I hope I read this wrong

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24455137/jim-harbaughs-relationship-with-49ers-brass-is-getting-worse

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by sfout:
lol mayo. Every 9ers reporter has said it'll be Harbaugh not Baalke if push comes to shove. Even the NFL.com people like Michael Silver are saying the same thing.

York and Harbaugh are tight. I see him siding with Harbaugh not Baalke. We'll see.

Well that may be hopeful thinking. York has the longer relationship with Baalke and promoted him from within despite the obvious lure of hiring his prime targets BFF easily cementing Harbaugh as SF's coach.

Everywhere I've read has said York recognizes that Baalke(and others) have built this roster and that they believe that many other coaches could do well with such a talented roster.

Harbaugh recognized that the situation here was/is the best for him, which is why he turned down what presumably was a boat load of cash from Miami and reportedly ultimately had zero interest in Cleveland, where he would've been united with his BFF Lombardi. He also obviously turned down Texas and USC so this Cleveland fiasco is IMO just blowing any strained relationship way out of proportion.

Then my opinion is that we have 2 coordinators worthy of the HC position which are Fangio, and Seely. I believe Jim Leavitt or Ed Donatell could fulfill the DC position easily. That leaves 2 viable plan Bs if Harbaugh truly wanted out we wouldn't scramble to keep him here.

Random somewhat out of the box thought here, but what if this drama was orchestrated by the Harbaugh and front office to make the players uncomfortable and maybe squeeze that last bit of something out of them in 2014? Maybe with the hopes that it makes the players think the whole thing could get blown up after 2014 if we come up short again?

Unlikely, but food for thought.