Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by verb1der:
I think someone's gotta go...Harbaugh or Baalke....it's hard to decide. I like them both.

Same here, but I am from the school of thought that if you have a strong front office, your team will be fine. I am leaning towards keeping Baalke. If Harbaugh has caused this much drama in the FO in his 1st 3 years, what will happen when you give him more power? He will leave at some point anyways, he always does.

Yeah...that's true....but they're both so good at what they do..I'd be torn either way.


This is ruining the offeseason. f**k.

WTF is wrong with every body? I include the Yorks in this. The Niners were a joke from 2003-2010 Harbaugh comes along and immediately we are 13-3 11-4-1 12-4 and 3 NFC Championship appearances and a Super Bowl. It's obvious Harbaugh has a certain way of doing things and loves being in control and Balkee does not let him do it. Harbaugh wants certain players in FA and Draft that he feels will be a good fit for his system and Balkee goes against it. The only solution i see here is coming from the Yorks is you be loyal to the guy who changed your franchise around it sure as hell wasn't Balkee. You reward Harbaugh for what he has produced you have faith that he knows what hes doing and you make him head coach / GM god knows how god this team will be if Harbaugh brings in the players he wants with out interference i feel hes earned that right.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by dj43:
I see absolutely no reason the 49ers should extend Harbaugh between now and the end of the 2014 season. He has done a mediocre job with a loaded roster that is capable of winning the Super Bowl. A coach should only be rewarded when he makes the most of the situation he has been given, not when someone stirs up a big stink about something that might have happened. Harbaugh has been a huge improvement over Singletary who was one of the worst coaches in history. Need to keep things in perspective.

I agree Jim had his shortcomings in the super bowl and this past NFCCG but the fact is we have arguably been the best team over the last three years under Jim. Now the problem is we have zero chips to show for it

Yes, that IS the problem. When you have the best talent 3 years in a row, or 2 out of the last 3 years, and have no chips to show for it, you don't deserve a raise. In fact, it is fair to call in question just how good a coach one is.

So the standard now is 3 years without a SB and you're now called into question? I mean, go ahead if you feel indignant enough about it, but stop and think how realistic is it to win a SB in 3 years after taking over a deeply dysfunctional team. Now, if we were still struggling at 8-8 or 6-10, then yes, questioning makes perfect sense. But after winning 36 games in 3 years, 2 NFC West titles, 3 NFC championship appearances in a row with one NFC Championship leading to one SB that we came within 5 yards of winning, most people would call that an incredible success.

Think about it...most teams in the league would KILL for those kinds of "chips" and I would hope most fans would appreciate that kind of ongoing success, especially after going a decade in utter shame and humility.

Ok, so he many not be Bill Walsh great yet (or maybe never), but if all of the above doesn't qualify as "good" in your book, than the problem is with your expectations, not with Harbaugh. It took John Harbaugh 5 years to get his ring, and Carroll just got his first after 20 years of NFL coaching and everyone thinks he's a genius now.

We need to keep the entire team situation in perspective. The franchise had been in purgatory for 10 years. Erickson/Nolan/Singletary were the worst string of coaches the team has ever had (Fred Meyer and Pete McCully excepted). Prior to Singletary's last season, the 49ers were the sexy choice to win the division. Years of weak seasons had yielded lots of high draft choices that looked like high quality. Many were predicting as many as 11 or 12 wins. The talent was here. We all know and recognize that. What Harbaugh took over was poised to do exactly what they did - win. Harbaugh did what was expected from a good coach with excellent talent.

For all us fans, we were ecstatic when Harbaugh delivered what many had expected before his arrival. He was made the messiah and he did a good job. Now, three years later, we see the offense still struggling in critical situations, the young handpicked QB plateaued this past season, and the coaching staff is still struggling with game management issues that are as bad or worse than the Singletary years. Indeed, the team led the league in delay of game penalties 2 years. However, because JH has been SO MUCH better than Singletary, many here still want to anoint him messiah. I am not one of those.

I believe Harbaugh is a good coach, not a great one. ESPN anonymously polled 320 current NFL players prior to the Super Bowl as to which coach in the NFL they would most like to play for. Jim Harbaugh finished 8th. That is just about where I rate him among current NFL coaches.

Originally posted by verb1der:
Yeah...that's true....but they're both so good at what they do..I'd be torn either way.


This is ruining the offeseason. f**k.

I just hope that if there is a change with Harbaugh or our FO that it happens within the next couple weeks so we can plan for the draft accordingly.

Originally posted by crabman82:
this is from barrows most recent blog...

Harbaugh and agent David Dunn, however, are seeking to make him the highest-paid coach, something the 49ers are reluctant to fulfill until they win a Super Bowl.


Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/02/york-49ers-had-no-interest-in-trading-jim-harbaugh.html#storylink=cpy


IMO they should just pay the guy, hes one of the top in lthe league, coaches salaries dont count against the cap and we're entering a new stadium which will provide the team with a lot more revenue. even if you make him the highest paid, within the year another guy will pass him.

you do not pay super bowl money if you do not win a super bowl. i would not make him the highest paid coach in the nfl. if that is what he demands then you indeed cut ties with him in my opinion . now if you cut ties with him you do have to bring in a big name like gruden. when you are trying to sell out and pay for a new stadium after you just cut a popular coach,, you gotta make it a little easier to swallow for the fans and i think gruden would be the trick

Originally posted by verb1der:
I think someone's gotta go...Harbaugh or Baalke....it's hard to decide. I like them both.

This is so silly. Why does someone gotta go? Because Mike Florio wrote an article filled with balls-out lies? Because someone THINKS there is tension between the two? People, we need to get into the real world here.

Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by verb1der:
Yeah...that's true....but they're both so good at what they do..I'd be torn either way.


This is ruining the offeseason. f**k.

I just hope that if there is a change with Harbaugh or our FO that it happens within the next couple weeks so we can plan for the draft accordingly.

with the legs this thing has got and keeps growing by the hour,,, the only way to stop it is to whack out a extension in the next two weeks in my opinion

Originally posted by cciowa:
you do not pay super bowl money if you do not win a super bowl. i would not make him the highest paid coach in the nfl. if that is what he demands then you indeed cut ties with him in my opinion . now if you cut ties with him you do have to bring in a big name like gruden. when you are trying to sell out and pay for a new stadium after you just cut a popular coach,, you gotta make it a little easier to swallow for the fans and i think gruden would be the trick

Say hello to Jeff Fisher. And let us know if there is even the slightest evidence that Gruden would rather work 24/7 and go gray as as coach rather than make millions as a highly paid television personality while living it up and playing a lot of golf.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by crabman82:
this is from barrows most recent blog...

Harbaugh and agent David Dunn, however, are seeking to make him the highest-paid coach, something the 49ers are reluctant to fulfill until they win a Super Bowl.


Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/02/york-49ers-had-no-interest-in-trading-jim-harbaugh.html#storylink=cpy


IMO they should just pay the guy, hes one of the top in lthe league, coaches salaries dont count against the cap and we're entering a new stadium which will provide the team with a lot more revenue. even if you make him the highest paid, within the year another guy will pass him.

you do not pay super bowl money if you do not win a super bowl. i would not make him the highest paid coach in the nfl. if that is what he demands then you indeed cut ties with him in my opinion . now if you cut ties with him you do have to bring in a big name like gruden. when you are trying to sell out and pay for a new stadium after you just cut a popular coach,, you gotta make it a little easier to swallow for the fans and i think gruden would be the trick

i must have missed where that rule was written down. you pay the coach you believe in. for example, carroll in seattle was getting over 6 mil per season which at the time was pretty up there among coaches, maybe not first, but in the top tier. 4 years later hes now a champ, seems like that scenario worked out. true harbaugh doesnt have a title, but he is as close as you can get. i dont see why we should nickel and dime the guy, not a good look when it doesnt count against the cap and we have new revenue streams. does it really bother anyone if he makes 6.5 mil per or 7.5 mil per? its fictional money that doesnt hurt us.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by crabman82:
this is from barrows most recent blog...

Harbaugh and agent David Dunn, however, are seeking to make him the highest-paid coach, something the 49ers are reluctant to fulfill until they win a Super Bowl.


Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/02/york-49ers-had-no-interest-in-trading-jim-harbaugh.html#storylink=cpy


IMO they should just pay the guy, hes one of the top in lthe league, coaches salaries dont count against the cap and we're entering a new stadium which will provide the team with a lot more revenue. even if you make him the highest paid, within the year another guy will pass him.

you do not pay super bowl money if you do not win a super bowl. i would not make him the highest paid coach in the nfl. if that is what he demands then you indeed cut ties with him in my opinion . now if you cut ties with him you do have to bring in a big name like gruden. when you are trying to sell out and pay for a new stadium after you just cut a popular coach,, you gotta make it a little easier to swallow for the fans and i think gruden would be the trick

I would go with David Shaw.

Originally posted by cciowa:
good job york,, you deny it and now you fudge and say there was contact. the coverup is always more inept than the crime and this is a great example. why did he not just say it in the first place . I really thought when york took over we would not have the type of drama we had before he took over. If i were JH i would hit the road as it sounds like they do not want him. i still love this team but the things they do just make you wonder if they just go looking for trouble

Yep, it looks like York has now been forced to back peddle a bit from his initial statement. I wonder how much farther the will have to go.

Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
I'm more concerned with the behind the scenes issues than any of this stuff with Cleveland. You don't hear these kinds of rumors about Belichick, Tomlin, Coughlin... but then again, we are talking about Jim Harbaugh lol.


I can see this whole Florio debacle being the type of thing that's talked about on a potential America's Game episode.

What behind the scenes issues? You mean the stuff that the people in the media keep making up to troll the 49ers and generate hits on their websites?

Jim and Trent had an argument about something, maybe a few arguments... and trolls in the media decided to paint a picture of a house in shambles. Two guys constantly at each other's throats. I bet there have been plenty of times at the combine where Jim and Trent have been together, laughing, whatever... but nobody is going to publish that because that isn't the broken marriage story... or if they do they'll say something snide like Divorced couple putting up brave front.

The Browns ask about Harbaugh and the 49ers say no.... and trolls in the media decide to completely lie and say that the deal was done but then Harbaugh said no. The king troll Florio demands the 49ers deny it, they do, and he calls them a liar.

The whole thing is ridiculous. The Browns are hinting that something happened but won't be specific. The 49ers are being flat out blunt and saying this isn't true, they offered and we said no. But somehow the media keeps writing that the 49ers are lying and the Browns are being the cute and honest coy little girl who would never ever lie to us... look at her she is so adorable and honest. Right... the Browns?

Harbaugh has made a lot of enemies in the media. Bottom line. The wrath of a spurned sportswriter is obviously pretty harsh... and not easily let go. Florio and Mort will probably carry this torch for the entire time Harbaugh is in the NFL. Since apparently he and Mort feel personally attacked that Harbaugh said the 49ers didnt go after Manning. Mort brought that up when he was spinning his lies on ESPN and Florio brings that up any chance he gets.

Originally posted by cciowa:
you do not pay super bowl money if you do not win a super bowl. i would not make him the highest paid coach in the nfl. if that is what he demands then you indeed cut ties with him in my opinion . now if you cut ties with him you do have to bring in a big name like gruden. when you are trying to sell out and pay for a new stadium after you just cut a popular coach,, you gotta make it a little easier to swallow for the fans and i think gruden would be the trick

What would Eddie do? We look way worse across the NFL if we fire Baalke instead if letting Harbaugh go. Do not let him run your team. Pay him, but let him know where he stands and he has to work with the other people in place. Tell him to fix the offense if he wants to be the highest paid coach in the NFL. Harbaugh is incharge of the coaching staff, he need to fire Roman.