Originally posted by Wodwo:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
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Jul 21, 2011 at 8:54 PM
- DaDivaRecieva15
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¿oɹq pɐɯ noʎ
Jul 21, 2011 at 8:56 PM
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Originally posted by jacklegniner:
What I hate is both sides saying they just want to get back to football and then they drag their feet all day.
I hear that!
Word.
Jul 21, 2011 at 8:57 PM
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Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:Originally posted by Wodwo:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
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No.
I r sad.
Jul 21, 2011 at 8:57 PM
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Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:Originally posted by Wodwo:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
ʎɐb puɐ ǝʞɐɟ
¿oɹq pɐɯ noʎ
Jul 21, 2011 at 8:57 PM
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Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
ıuı|nʇd uıddı|s noʎ
Oh no, you're using some of those Nate Davis jedi mind tricks!
Jul 21, 2011 at 8:58 PM
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Originally posted by SnakePlissken:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
ıuı|nʇd uıddı|s noʎ
Oh no, you're using some of those Nate Davis jedi mind tricks!
Jul 21, 2011 at 8:58 PM
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Originally posted by SnakePlissken:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
ıuı|nʇd uıddı|s noʎ
Oh no, you're using some of those Nate Davis jedi mind tricks!
I literally laughed out loud.
Jul 21, 2011 at 9:00 PM
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How is it the players feel like the owners snuck this in, did it all of a sudden, or are showing disrespect etc when this vote was scheduled 3 weeks ago.
None of the players have said any of the terms are new or bad, but they are upset with the owners for doing this. But what did the owners do? They put all the negotiated terms together and voted to approve it (no one has mentioned any "new" terms). Of course, when dealing with a union approving an agreement first is a bad idea because the mentality by the union will be that 'if the man approves this agreement, it means they're ripping us off, or that at least we can get another concession or two.' (I have personal experience with union negotiating mentality on the union side)
The craziest part to me though, is what seems to be main unresolved issue, which is the issue of re-certifying the union. The Brady lawsuit and their claims of this move by the owners possibly being illegal deal with whether they should be forced to be in a union or whether there should be no union or an opt-in union (to avoid franchise tags and other rules). How do they figure it's reasonable to have a league of players that either isn't unionized or has an opt-in union. In my opinion, they probably don't think it's reasonable, but they use it as leverage (or a pwrplay as they call the owners vote) and want to use it for additional concessions.
That's where I feel like this currently lies. The players see that the owners have agreed to a deal which contains their mutually negotiated terms, but they feel like they still have the lawsuits & union certification issue which are expected to be dropped by the owners, while the players want to get an extra something because they feel like they have some leverage left over they can use to improve a deal that can't be good enough because the other side approved it.
None of the players have said any of the terms are new or bad, but they are upset with the owners for doing this. But what did the owners do? They put all the negotiated terms together and voted to approve it (no one has mentioned any "new" terms). Of course, when dealing with a union approving an agreement first is a bad idea because the mentality by the union will be that 'if the man approves this agreement, it means they're ripping us off, or that at least we can get another concession or two.' (I have personal experience with union negotiating mentality on the union side)
The craziest part to me though, is what seems to be main unresolved issue, which is the issue of re-certifying the union. The Brady lawsuit and their claims of this move by the owners possibly being illegal deal with whether they should be forced to be in a union or whether there should be no union or an opt-in union (to avoid franchise tags and other rules). How do they figure it's reasonable to have a league of players that either isn't unionized or has an opt-in union. In my opinion, they probably don't think it's reasonable, but they use it as leverage (or a pwrplay as they call the owners vote) and want to use it for additional concessions.
That's where I feel like this currently lies. The players see that the owners have agreed to a deal which contains their mutually negotiated terms, but they feel like they still have the lawsuits & union certification issue which are expected to be dropped by the owners, while the players want to get an extra something because they feel like they have some leverage left over they can use to improve a deal that can't be good enough because the other side approved it.
Jul 21, 2011 at 9:00 PM
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:Originally posted by SnakePlissken:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
ıuı|nʇd uıddı|s noʎ
Oh no, you're using some of those Nate Davis jedi mind tricks!
Jul 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:Originally posted by Wodwo:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
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Jul 21, 2011 at 9:08 PM
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Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:Originally posted by StOnEy333:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:Originally posted by Wodwo:Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
ʎɐb puɐ ǝʞɐɟ
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Jul 21, 2011 at 9:09 PM
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Jul 21, 2011 at 9:10 PM
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Names I can't wait to never hear again
Jeff Pash
DeMaurice Smith
Albert Breer
Arthur Boylan
Paul Clement
etc....
Jeff Pash
DeMaurice Smith
Albert Breer
Arthur Boylan
Paul Clement
etc....
Jul 21, 2011 at 9:11 PM
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Originally posted by Esco:
Names I can't wait to never hear again
Jeff Pash
DeMaurice Smith
Albert Breer
Arthur Boylan
Nate Clements
etc....
Agreed
Jul 21, 2011 at 9:12 PM
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Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:Originally posted by Esco:
Names I can't wait to never hear again
Jeff Pash
DeMaurice Smith
Albert Breer
Arthur Boylan
Nate Clements
etc....
Agreed