Roethlisberger accused of sexual assault (suspended 6 games)

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Ben got effed imo. The guy didn't deserve such a lengthy suspension. I am surprised he got any at all personally, but if he did I expected nothing longer than 2 games. more than 1/3 his season for a situation in which he was legally cleared of any wrong doing is harsh imo. Specially when other players "accused" of the same thing go under the radar of furer Goodell.

Ben got tried in the court of public opinion, all based on the testimony of a drunk girl, in a public place, with no other witnesses.....

The Silver lining? Ben will never put himself in that situation ever again, and people will go back to admiring and forget all about this when ol girl doesn't even file a civil suite cause her allegations are fabricated.

All those in this thread calling Ben a raper and such should be ashamed of yourselves. In THIS country people are innocent until proven guilty. There was an investigation that lacked evidence to even arrest, much less prosecute, and the medical examiner stated that he found no signs of forced entry. No evidence of forced entry means she was willing at the time of insertion.

But you guys go ahead and remain convinced based on the allegations of a gold digger. You go right ahead, but hope you remember this situation when you have a family member, or friend in one thats eerily similar.

All it takes is an accusation in this country and someones reputation is ruined, even after he was proven to have not violated any laws.

The biggest supporter that he isn't guilty is that they didn't even charge him. Doesn't require a whole lot of evidence to bring charges, and often times prosecuters do so to assist the investigation.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself for calling her a gold digger, when you have no evidence of that.

She drop the charges?

She filing a civil suit?

Yes and No I guess you're right. She's not a gold digger, just a dumb bizzy who cried rape cause she was ashamed of letting her inner slut out.....

yeah because going to trial in a very public rape case is every girls dream. geez, man for one second stop trying to defend Ben Roelthisberger and see a woman's perspective. Maybe just maybe the guy who got the underage girls drunk and had his bodyguard run interference on her friends isn't such a good guy.

This. A lot of fairly unpleasant assumptions are being made about this girl with zero evidence.

I would bet none of these dudes have Daughters. And they ain't doing their Mothers or Sisters any honor either showing how quickly they can assume the worst about the other gender.

What I know about the female persuasion is that it is just as likely that this girl was at least VERY INTIMIDATED being escorted by big bodyguards and a Huge NFL star agressively "courting" you.

That is more likely than she just happens to be a conniving, manipulative and ruthless Woman at 20 yrs old.

Either are possible sure. It just tells you a lot about a person who is more eager to believed the latter

Right, because a college girl wearing a name tag that says Down to f**k was frightened and intimidated by the security guards.

Everyone's public opinion is biased one way or another.

Originally posted by crzy:
Right, because a college girl wearing a name tag that says Down to f**k was frightened and intimidated by the security guards.

Everyone's public opinion is biased one way or another.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Ben got effed imo. The guy didn't deserve such a lengthy suspension. I am surprised he got any at all personally, but if he did I expected nothing longer than 2 games. more than 1/3 his season for a situation in which he was legally cleared of any wrong doing is harsh imo. Specially when other players "accused" of the same thing go under the radar of furer Goodell.

Ben got tried in the court of public opinion, all based on the testimony of a drunk girl, in a public place, with no other witnesses.....

The Silver lining? Ben will never put himself in that situation ever again, and people will go back to admiring and forget all about this when ol girl doesn't even file a civil suite cause her allegations are fabricated.

All those in this thread calling Ben a raper and such should be ashamed of yourselves. In THIS country people are innocent until proven guilty. There was an investigation that lacked evidence to even arrest, much less prosecute, and the medical examiner stated that he found no signs of forced entry. No evidence of forced entry means she was willing at the time of insertion.

But you guys go ahead and remain convinced based on the allegations of a gold digger. You go right ahead, but hope you remember this situation when you have a family member, or friend in one thats eerily similar.

All it takes is an accusation in this country and someones reputation is ruined, even after he was proven to have not violated any laws.

The biggest supporter that he isn't guilty is that they didn't even charge him. Doesn't require a whole lot of evidence to bring charges, and often times prosecuters do so to assist the investigation.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself for calling her a gold digger, when you have no evidence of that.

She drop the charges?

She filing a civil suit?

Yes and No I guess you're right. She's not a gold digger, just a dumb bizzy who cried rape cause she was ashamed of letting her inner slut out.....

yeah because going to trial in a very public rape case is every girls dream. geez, man for one second stop trying to defend Ben Roelthisberger and see a woman's perspective. Maybe just maybe the guy who got the underage girls drunk and had his bodyguard run interference on her friends isn't such a good guy.

This. A lot of fairly unpleasant assumptions are being made about this girl with zero evidence.

I would bet none of these dudes have Daughters. And they ain't doing their Mothers or Sisters any honor either showing how quickly they can assume the worst about the other gender.

What I know about the female persuasion is that it is just as likely that this girl was at least VERY INTIMIDATED being escorted by big bodyguards and a Huge NFL star agressively "courting" you.

That is more likely than she just happens to be a conniving, manipulative and ruthless Woman at 20 yrs old.

Either are possible sure. It just tells you a lot about a person who is more eager to believed the latter

I have a mother, a sister, and 2 daughters 8 and 10 years old.

Now by your post, you obviously have VERY little experience with 20 something girls. Some of the most coniving and dishonest people on the face of the planet. Nothing matters to them unless it affects them directly, generally speaking.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Ben got effed imo. The guy didn't deserve such a lengthy suspension. I am surprised he got any at all personally, but if he did I expected nothing longer than 2 games. more than 1/3 his season for a situation in which he was legally cleared of any wrong doing is harsh imo. Specially when other players "accused" of the same thing go under the radar of furer Goodell.

Ben got tried in the court of public opinion, all based on the testimony of a drunk girl, in a public place, with no other witnesses.....

The Silver lining? Ben will never put himself in that situation ever again, and people will go back to admiring and forget all about this when ol girl doesn't even file a civil suite cause her allegations are fabricated.

All those in this thread calling Ben a raper and such should be ashamed of yourselves. In THIS country people are innocent until proven guilty. There was an investigation that lacked evidence to even arrest, much less prosecute, and the medical examiner stated that he found no signs of forced entry. No evidence of forced entry means she was willing at the time of insertion.

But you guys go ahead and remain convinced based on the allegations of a gold digger. You go right ahead, but hope you remember this situation when you have a family member, or friend in one thats eerily similar.

All it takes is an accusation in this country and someones reputation is ruined, even after he was proven to have not violated any laws.

The biggest supporter that he isn't guilty is that they didn't even charge him. Doesn't require a whole lot of evidence to bring charges, and often times prosecuters do so to assist the investigation.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself for calling her a gold digger, when you have no evidence of that.

She drop the charges?

She filing a civil suit?

Yes and No I guess you're right. She's not a gold digger, just a dumb bizzy who cried rape cause she was ashamed of letting her inner slut out.....

yeah because going to trial in a very public rape case is every girls dream. geez, man for one second stop trying to defend Ben Roelthisberger and see a woman's perspective. Maybe just maybe the guy who got the underage girls drunk and had his bodyguard run interference on her friends isn't such a good guy.

This. A lot of fairly unpleasant assumptions are being made about this girl with zero evidence.

I would bet none of these dudes have Daughters. And they ain't doing their Mothers or Sisters any honor either showing how quickly they can assume the worst about the other gender.

What I know about the female persuasion is that it is just as likely that this girl was at least VERY INTIMIDATED being escorted by big bodyguards and a Huge NFL star agressively "courting" you.

That is more likely than she just happens to be a conniving, manipulative and ruthless Woman at 20 yrs old.

Either are possible sure. It just tells you a lot about a person who is more eager to believed the latter

I have a mother, a sister, and 2 daughters 8 and 10 years old.

Now by your post, you obviously have VERY little experience with 20 something girls. Some of the most coniving and dishonest people on the face of the planet. Nothing matters to them unless it affects them directly, generally speaking.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Ben got effed imo. The guy didn't deserve such a lengthy suspension. I am surprised he got any at all personally, but if he did I expected nothing longer than 2 games. more than 1/3 his season for a situation in which he was legally cleared of any wrong doing is harsh imo. Specially when other players "accused" of the same thing go under the radar of furer Goodell.

Ben got tried in the court of public opinion, all based on the testimony of a drunk girl, in a public place, with no other witnesses.....

The Silver lining? Ben will never put himself in that situation ever again, and people will go back to admiring and forget all about this when ol girl doesn't even file a civil suite cause her allegations are fabricated.

All those in this thread calling Ben a raper and such should be ashamed of yourselves. In THIS country people are innocent until proven guilty. There was an investigation that lacked evidence to even arrest, much less prosecute, and the medical examiner stated that he found no signs of forced entry. No evidence of forced entry means she was willing at the time of insertion.

But you guys go ahead and remain convinced based on the allegations of a gold digger. You go right ahead, but hope you remember this situation when you have a family member, or friend in one thats eerily similar.

All it takes is an accusation in this country and someones reputation is ruined, even after he was proven to have not violated any laws.

The biggest supporter that he isn't guilty is that they didn't even charge him. Doesn't require a whole lot of evidence to bring charges, and often times prosecuters do so to assist the investigation.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself for calling her a gold digger, when you have no evidence of that.

She drop the charges?

She filing a civil suit?

Yes and No I guess you're right. She's not a gold digger, just a dumb bizzy who cried rape cause she was ashamed of letting her inner slut out.....

yeah because going to trial in a very public rape case is every girls dream. geez, man for one second stop trying to defend Ben Roelthisberger and see a woman's perspective. Maybe just maybe the guy who got the underage girls drunk and had his bodyguard run interference on her friends isn't such a good guy.

This. A lot of fairly unpleasant assumptions are being made about this girl with zero evidence.

I would bet none of these dudes have Daughters. And they ain't doing their Mothers or Sisters any honor either showing how quickly they can assume the worst about the other gender.

What I know about the female persuasion is that it is just as likely that this girl was at least VERY INTIMIDATED being escorted by big bodyguards and a Huge NFL star agressively "courting" you.

That is more likely than she just happens to be a conniving, manipulative and ruthless Woman at 20 yrs old.

Either are possible sure. It just tells you a lot about a person who is more eager to believed the latter

I have a mother, a sister, and 2 daughters 8 and 10 years old.

Now by your post, you obviously have VERY little experience with 20 something girls. Some of the most coniving and dishonest people on the face of the planet. Nothing matters to them unless it affects them directly, generally speaking.

ironically. Being one of the staunch supporters of Goodell and the alleged victims here, I am also probably the only one here that has been falsely accused of rape. Yes by a 20 yr old.

I don't know college chicks huh. I think I know them better than you. I know them well enough that you don't get skewed by a few bad apples.

I did not say this chick is definitely not a lying money hungry whore at 20. They exist. I have encountered them myself. I have also encountered the innocent school girls in over their heads. And I have encountered all the types in between.

Of course we are all biased. I was simply stating it tells a lot about a person which way they decide to be biased.

You don't know this girl.
I don't know this girl.
You are guessing.
I am guessing.
You guess she is a lying whore.
I guess she is a young girl with good morals who was out of her element.

^^ Except, my guesses are backed by the fact that Big Ben was not charged

And yes, I'm biased too because I have a friend who was falsely accused of rape.


Oh well, I'm done with this topic. f**k the Steelers.

Originally posted by crzy:
^^ Except, my guesses are backed by the fact that Big Ben was not charged

And yes, I'm biased too because I have a friend who was falsely accused of rape.


Oh well, I'm done with this topic. f**k the Steelers.

I too am going to end.

I guess for me, BECAUSE I was accused of rape falsely I don't want to allow myself to become too biased against alleged rape victims. And I was broke as a joke and I still got a chick that wanted to f**k me over.

But I dogged so many chicks those days, so really instead of me focusing on that one I prefer to focus on all the others who were basically good peoples

Oh and I really applaud your application of your opinions. Many Niner fans would easily not agree but still not say anything because the Steelers are being hurt.

I know you don't like Roeth or the Steelers, so its meaningful that you still stuck up for em a bit

Listen closely to the first few seconds of this video. The crowd is chanting "SHE SAID NO"

Originally posted by valrod33:





Listen closely to the first few seconds of this video. The crowd is chanting "SHE SAID NO"

Goodell looked kinda pissed about that. He's like "Now I gotta explain to this fat little tard what they mean by 'she said no'."

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by valrod33:




Listen closely to the first few seconds of this video. The crowd is chanting "SHE SAID NO"

Goodell looked kinda pissed about that. He's like "Now I gotta explain to this fat little tard what they mean by 'she said no'."

scum bag who hasnt denied being a scumbag.

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by valrod33:




Listen closely to the first few seconds of this video. The crowd is chanting "SHE SAID NO"

Goodell looked kinda pissed about that. He's like "Now I gotta explain to this fat little tard what they mean by 'she said no'."

Originally posted by valrod33:
raper

lol

Quote:
Some former Pittsburgh Steelers teammates are kicking Ben Roethlisberger(notes) while he's down, telling ESPN that Roethlisberger wasn't well-liked in the locker room while they were there.

Kelly Naqi did a story for ESPN's "Outside the Lines" this weekend, focusing on Roethlisberger's image and reputation. She talked to former Steelers running back Najeh Davenport(notes), former Steelers safety about Mike Logan(notes), and some other people around the area. Here are some of the highlights.

• Davenport estimated that about 60 percent of the locker room felt like Roethlisberger thought he was "bigger than the team," and not focused on winning.

• Davenport also discussed a time when Joey Porter(notes) called out Roethlisberger in a team meeting for being the last one in to practice and the first one to leave. Porter also accused Roethlisberger of not being dedicated to the team, and criticized him for not fraternizing with his teammates.

• Mike Logan confirmed the incident where Porter addressed Roethlisberger, and said that all the things Porter mentioned were already being talked about in the locker room.

• Someone identified only as "a close friend of a Steelers player" said that the reason Roethlisberger had a bodyguard was because of an incident where a man put a gun to Roethlisberger's head because Roethlisberger was involved with the man's girlfriend.

• Naqi spoke with people who work at Pittsburgh bars and nightclubs, and they described Ben as someone who was condescending to the staffs and rude to other customers. One bar owner said Roethlisberger always expected he and his entourage to be given free food and drinks.

Roethlisberger wouldn't talk to ESPN for the story, and neither would Joey Porter. Roethlisberger did release a statement today about his suspension, though, apologizing to his teammates and fans and vowing to comply with the terms of the suspension.

This is the kind of report that wouldn't ever see the light of day if there weren't some other dastardly story about the guy. That's not to say that it isn't true -- Kelly Naqi's a fine reporter -- but is it a big deal? Should we care?

After all, no one said anything about Roethlisberger-related locker room troubles when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls. Maybe this is just a mountain-out-of-a-molehill thing that surfaces now, because it's convenient and fits the "Roethlisberger as dirtball" narrative.

If there's any practical issue here, I think it's this: If Roethlisberger has to mend some fences in the Steelers locker room, perhaps it'll be even tougher than expected. If someone didn't like him before the sexual assault allegations, it's hard to imagine they'll warm up to the guy now, no matter what he does.

We'll just have to wait and see how that plays out. Locker rooms have been divided over less.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Roethlisberger-wasn-t-a-popular-Steeler-even-be?urn=nfl,236615