DL: 2026 Draft Class

Originally posted by miked1978:
My thing with Malachi Lawrence is his production. 7 sacks for a guy with elite traits at a small school going up against inferior talent? Was he getting chipped or double teamed a lot? I guess this is why he's not a top 10 prospect.

We already have an edge guy with tons of potential in Mykell Williams that we have to wait and see if we can unlock his full potential. I don't think we can afford another one. At least penguin armed C. Howell from Texas A&M can maybe come in and produce day 1 as a pass rush specialist.

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we need a rotation of guys not just 2 EDGE rushers capable of rushing the passer. The more we get the fresher our players and that will increase the production of everyone

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by miked1978:

My thing with Malachi Lawrence is his production. 7 sacks for a guy with elite traits at a small school going up against inferior talent? Was he getting chipped or double teamed a lot? I guess this is why he's not a top 10 prospect.

We already have an edge guy with tons of potential in Mykell Williams that we have to wait and see if we can unlock his full potential. I don't think we can afford another one. At least penguin armed C. Howell from Texas A&M can maybe come in and produce day 1 as a pass rush specialist.

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we need a rotation of guys not just 2 EDGE rushers capable of rushing the passer. The more we get the fresher our players and that will increase the production of everyone

UCF is not a small school either. That is Big 12 which feature a number of playoff teams and top programs, such as Texas Tech, BYU, Utah, TCU.

It's not like he's coming out of UMass.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
UCF is not a small school either. That is Big 12 which feature a number of playoff teams and top programs, such as Texas Tech, BYU, Utah, TCU.

It's not like he's coming out of UMass.

I mean most of those OTs were pretty bad in the Big 12 though.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by miked1978:
My thing with Malachi Lawrence is his production. 7 sacks for a guy with elite traits at a small school going up against inferior talent? Was he getting chipped or double teamed a lot? I guess this is why he's not a top 10 prospect.

We already have an edge guy with tons of potential in Mykell Williams that we have to wait and see if we can unlock his full potential. I don't think we can afford another one. At least penguin armed C. Howell from Texas A&M can maybe come in and produce day 1 as a pass rush specialist.

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we need a rotation of guys not just 2 EDGE rushers capable of rushing the passer. The more we get the fresher our players and that will increase the production of everyone

UCF is not a small school either. That is Big 12 which feature a number of playoff teams and top programs, such as Texas Tech, BYU, Utah, TCU.

It's not like he's coming out of UMass.

My bad i thought they were still in the C-USA conference.

I still stand by my comments. I don't think any of his sacks came against NFL caliber players.

Originally posted by miked1978:
My thing with Malachi Lawrence is his production. 7 sacks for a guy with elite traits at a small school going up against inferior talent? Was he getting chipped or double teamed a lot? I guess this is why he's not a top 10 prospect.

We already have an edge guy with tons of potential in Mykell Williams that we have to wait and see if we can unlock his full potential. I don't think we can afford another one. At least penguin armed C. Howell from Texas A&M can maybe come in and produce day 1 as a pass rush specialist.

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Williams isn't the same as Lawrence though. Williams is gonna be a base down edge defender and push inside to rush the passer…he was forced to play out of position once Bosa went down.

Like others said Lawerence wasn't really asked to go after the QB at least not how we would use him (out wide).

Howell on the other hand did just that he was out wide rushing similar to say Huff.

Lawrence imo has a better chance at being a 3 down DE or at least rotate there. Howell is gonna be a pure DPR. That makes Lawrence more valuable imo. Either way is cool with me because right now all we really need is that DPR.

Keep in mind that we don't know what Morris plans to do with the defense. Being a 3-down player in what they've been doing the last few years in the wide 9 is dramatically different than being a 3-down player in a 5-man surface like what Morris did in LA/ATL.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Keep in mind that we don't know what Morris plans to do with the defense. Being a 3-down player in what they've been doing the last few years in the wide 9 is dramatically different than being a 3-down player in a 5-man surface like what Morris did in LA/ATL.

Dont you push that keldrick faulk juju on me

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Dont you push that keldrick faulk juju on me

Ugh, I'm not a Faulk guy, so you don't have to worry about that with me.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

UCF is not a small school either. That is Big 12 which feature a number of playoff teams and top programs, such as Texas Tech, BYU, Utah, TCU.

It's not like he's coming out of UMass.

I mean most of those OTs were pretty bad in the Big 12 though.

I mean that's completely fair. I actually like Lawrence but I think the measurable stuff is getting him a bit overrated. I initially had him as a top 75 talent. I don't know if I can put him better than top 64. I'm not sure I can rate him above Jacas.

Watch the tape against day two tackle prospect Caleb Tiernan. He (Jacas) whoops him quite a bit in both facets.

Lawrence has the skills but is a bit more projection. Doesn't quite have the bend you want or the power. Just got the length and speed/hands.

I don't get too concerned about it when an edge guy doesn't have a ton of sacks. We don't know what his coaches were asking him to do or how good the guys around him were.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I mean that's completely fair. I actually like Lawrence but I think the measurable stuff is getting him a bit overrated. I initially had him as a top 75 talent. I don't know if I can put him better than top 64. I'm not sure I can rate him above Jacas.

Watch the tape against day two tackle prospect Caleb Tiernan. He (Jacas) whoops him quite a bit in both facets.

Lawrence has the skills but is a bit more projection. Doesn't quite have the bend you want or the power. Just got the length and speed/hands.

He's got legit get off and a pass rush bag. I agree he's pretty stiff, more of a linear rush imo. I think the upside of him is more than Jacas. They're different players overall. Like both.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I mean that's completely fair. I actually like Lawrence but I think the measurable stuff is getting him a bit overrated. I initially had him as a top 75 talent. I don't know if I can put him better than top 64. I'm not sure I can rate him above Jacas.

Watch the tape against day two tackle prospect Caleb Tiernan. He (Jacas) whoops him quite a bit in both facets.

Lawrence has the skills but is a bit more projection. Doesn't quite have the bend you want or the power. Just got the length and speed/hands.

He's got legit get off and a pass rush bag. I agree he's pretty stiff, more of a linear rush imo. I think the upside of him is more than Jacas. They're different players overall. Like both.

I really think the value with edge is gonna be day two and three, TBH. I just am not as high as others on some of these supposed first round guys.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I mean that's completely fair. I actually like Lawrence but I think the measurable stuff is getting him a bit overrated. I initially had him as a top 75 talent. I don't know if I can put him better than top 64. I'm not sure I can rate him above Jacas.

Watch the tape against day two tackle prospect Caleb Tiernan. He (Jacas) whoops him quite a bit in both facets.

Lawrence has the skills but is a bit more projection. Doesn't quite have the bend you want or the power. Just got the length and speed/hands.

I greatly respect and value your opinion--i know you're actually watching instead of aggregating scouting reports. And I like Jacas. But I struggle to find what he does better than Lawrence right now, and thats before comparing their theoretical ceilings.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I mean that's completely fair. I actually like Lawrence but I think the measurable stuff is getting him a bit overrated. I initially had him as a top 75 talent. I don't know if I can put him better than top 64. I'm not sure I can rate him above Jacas.

Watch the tape against day two tackle prospect Caleb Tiernan. He (Jacas) whoops him quite a bit in both facets.

Lawrence has the skills but is a bit more projection. Doesn't quite have the bend you want or the power. Just got the length and speed/hands.

I greatly respect and value your opinion--i know you're actually watching instead of aggregating scouting reports. And I like Jacas. But I struggle to find what he does better than Lawrence right now, and thats before comparing their theoretical ceilings.

Gonna be fun too see what a lot of you would do in this draft if it were you making the picks. The shadow drafts are gonna be so different I think. I hope too see one from you two, NY, Heroism, Phoenix, Hysterikal, Ezekiel, Hoov, dynasty (based on our recent discussion lol) krizay, etc etc.. the more the merrier.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I mean that's completely fair. I actually like Lawrence but I think the measurable stuff is getting him a bit overrated. I initially had him as a top 75 talent. I don't know if I can put him better than top 64. I'm not sure I can rate him above Jacas.

Watch the tape against day two tackle prospect Caleb Tiernan. He (Jacas) whoops him quite a bit in both facets.

Lawrence has the skills but is a bit more projection. Doesn't quite have the bend you want or the power. Just got the length and speed/hands.

I greatly respect and value your opinion--i know you're actually watching instead of aggregating scouting reports. And I like Jacas. But I struggle to find what he does better than Lawrence right now, and thats before comparing their theoretical ceilings.

Gonna be fun too see what a lot of you would do in this draft if it were you making the picks. The shadow drafts are gonna be so different I think. I hope too see one from you two, NY, Heroism, Phoenix, Hysterikal, Ezekiel, Hoov, dynasty (based on our recent discussion lol) krizay, etc etc.. the more the merrier.

I'm on vacation in Hawaii so I won't be able to watch all the Draft, but I'm gonna check in as much as possible.
It's going to be a very interesting draft for the niners. Lynch needs to do his best work on this draft, the way our picks are it's not set up that great. If they don't go BPA and are not able to move around there is potential for a reach at 58 and real potential for some big reaches with those 4th round picks.