With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hey you're entitled to your opinion. Top 10 backs this yr were Kyren Williams, Bucky Irving, Chuba Hubbard and aaron jones all the same.

Like I said it doesn't have to be just Harmon. I also think he's much better than the DT in 2-4. I also think you're overvaluing the RB as a whole and the difference between playing AJ for 10 carries a game and someone else we can take in the 2-4

I looked at top 10 scrimmage yards, top 10 total TDS.

I looked at top 10 sacks, top 10 tackles etc....

The numbers are the numbers. Malik Collins put up borderline top 10 DL numbers. I don't see why the Tyleik, TJs, Darius' etc can't get to that Malik baseline.

I wouldn't draft Jeanty in our current state because like you I don't think he'll get used.

To your point he wouldn't get used here. To Macs point, He would be the superior talent if he was there. IMO

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Dude, box score scouting is the worst (at least you admitted it though) the Penn St game solidified his grade for me. They are a decent D, and they sold out to stop him, and he still churned out impressive run, after impressive run. He's an amazing prospect.

Our coaches are force multipliers for RB's Good serviceable RB's will get us very good production, but we've already seen what difference an elite RB makes.

As for Reggie Bush it was assumed that his speed would make him unstoppable in the pros, but he couldn't break tackles at the rate required, I have no such concerns with Jeanty, in fact the back I'd be a little concerned about falling into that mold would be Henderson.

While you're googling look up the image at his Pro Day.

He's Todd Gurley imo. great prospect and will be a good RB in the league.

Originally posted by krizay:
I looked at top 10 scrimmage yards, top 10 total TDS.

I looked at top 10 sacks, top 10 tackles etc....

The numbers are the numbers. Malik Collins put up borderline top 10 DL numbers. I don't see why the Tyleik, TJs, Darius' etc can't get to that Malik baseline.

I wouldn't draft Jeanty in our current state because like you I don't think he'll get used.

To your point he wouldn't get used here. To Macs point, He would be the superior talent if he was there. IMO

We all know the numbers if we want to talk about RBs all the same 😉 like I said Bucky Irving put up 1,500 total scrimmage yards just this past season. That's on 205 rushing attempts as a 4th rd pick.

Again there's a reason why RBs get tossed out into FA consistently and elite level DL do not. That's my debate and end of the day those numbers speak for themselves.

we all got different takes an I appreciate the dialogue

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We all know the numbers if we want to talk about RBs all the same 😉 like I said Bucky Irving put up 1,500 total scrimmage yards just this past season. That's on 205 rushing attempts as a 4th rd pick.

Again there's a reason why RBs get tossed out into FA consistently and elite level DL do not. That's my debate and end of the day those numbers speak for themselves.

we all got different takes an I appreciate the dialogue

Lol DTs get tossed out as well. We literally had to declare a post June Cut on our big money Free agent from acouple years ago. We also cut the DT we just traded for. He put up numbers similar to top 10 DT by category.

Different takes indeed. That is what thr draft is though.

Originally posted by krizay:
Lol DTs get tossed out as well. We literally had to declare a post June Cut on our big money Free agent from acouple years ago. We also cut the DT we just traded for. He put up numbers similar to top 10 DT by category.

Different takes indeed. That is what thr draft is though.

Most in their prime DTs that are actually good don't. That graph I posted basically backs that up.

There's a reason we got a top 13 pick for Buck. Also you keep referring to DT, when I've pretty much said DL (which also means DE).

Collins is a rotational DT that has always been bad vs the run. I wish we would have kept him because he does have value…just shows where this team is heading in the draft. They want better.

Yup, you know my debates aren't meant to be personal and I enjoy the banter… we will see what happens

Grant Cohn said he has heard that we are trying to trade into the top 6. But for who?

1- Tenn Cam Ward
2- Clev Shedeur Sanders
3- NY Will Campbell
4- NE Armand Membou
5- JAK Trade with SF Abdul Carter
11- JAK Tyler Warren

It would have to be 1.11 and 2.45 for 1.5

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Most in their prime DTs that are actually good don't. That graph I posted basically backs that up.

There's a reason we got a top 13 pick for Buck. Also you keep referring to DT, when I've pretty much said DL (which also means DE).

Collins is a rotational DT that has always been bad vs the run. I wish we would have kept him because he does have value…just shows where this team is heading in the draft. They want better.

Yup, you know my debates aren't meant to be personal and I enjoy the banter… we will see what happens

While yes, you say DL but you do t seem to like any DEs (or RB, TE, WR, OG LB, CB, S any OT not named Membou). From what I've been reading this is a Jeanty/Harmon debate.

I anywho, I will try with every fiber of my being to leave this Jeanty/Harmon debate here. At least as far as my involvement goes. I'd love to see the Vegas odds on that

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Grant Cohn said he has heard that we are trying to trade into the top 6. But for who?

1- Tenn Cam Ward
2- Clev Shedeur Sanders
3- NY Will Campbell
4- NE Armand Membou
5- JAK Trade with SF Abdul Carter
11- JAK Tyler Warren

It would have to be 1.11 and 2.45 for 1.5

Lol you believe that fool.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Grant Cohn said he has heard that we are trying to trade into the top 6. But for who?

1- Tenn Cam Ward
2- Clev Shedeur Sanders
3- NY Will Campbell
4- NE Armand Membou
5- JAK Trade with SF Abdul Carter
11- JAK Tyler Warren

It would have to be 1.11 and 2.45 for 1.5

Lol you believe that fool.

It's not even a source or anything remotely credible lol

That twitter page is never right.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
That twitter page is never right.

I don't believe it, but remember what happened last time. Kyle said "we aren't going to be this high again let's take a swing" Lynch said "Hold my beer"

I've finished Oregon Vs Ohio ST and Michigan. I can firmly state that Mason Graham is #3 on my board after only Hunter & Carter. I can also state that Harmon does have a firm first round grade for me, and if both he and Jeanty were on the board, the grade is close enough for me to pass on Jeanty.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We all know the numbers if we want to talk about RBs all the same 😉 like I said Bucky Irving put up 1,500 total scrimmage yards just this past season. That's on 205 rushing attempts as a 4th rd pick.

Again there's a reason why RBs get tossed out into FA consistently and elite level DL do not. That's my debate and end of the day those numbers speak for themselves.

we all got different takes an I appreciate the dialogue

How many yards do you think Jeanty would have on that TB offense?

1.11- Ashton Jeanty RB
2.43- Tyleik Williams DT
3.75- Bradyn Swinson DE
3.100- Lathan Ransom S
4.113- Cobee Bryant CB
4.138- Jamaree Caldwell DT

OR:

1.11- Derrick Harmon DT
2.43- Tyleik Williams DT
3.75- Bradyn Swinson DE
3.100- Lathan Ransom S
4.113- Cobee Bryant CB
4.138- Devin Neal RB

So it's Jeanty and Caldwell vs Harmon and Neal.

To me it's not even close. Harmon isn't some can't miss prospect and Shanahan has been terrible at his RB selections.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
1.11- Ashton Jeanty RB
2.43- Tyleik Williams DT
3.75- Bradyn Swinson DE
3.100- Lathan Ransom S
4.113- Cobee Bryant CB
4.138- Jamaree Caldwell DT

OR:

1.11- Derrick Harmon DT
2.43- Tyleik Williams DT
3.75- Bradyn Swinson DE
3.100- Lathan Ransom S
4.113- Cobee Bryant CB
4.138- Devin Neal RB

So it's Jeanty and Caldwell vs Harmon and Neal.

To me it's not even close. Harmon isn't some can't miss prospect and Shanahan has been terrible at his RB selections.

I like the second one