With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
You keep saying we traded Mason because McCaffrey is healthy and that had nothing to do with it.

The team wasn't paying Mason 5.25m as a backup. Plain and simple. His health had nothing to do with the trade

Dude if CMC wasn't healthy they would absolutely pay Mason $5M. Hell they probably give him a milti yr deal that is LESS than what a 11th pick rookie contract is.

I mean you do realize that AJ is gonna make more on his rookie deal?

CMC's health has everything to do with it. Saying it doesn't is pushing a narrative

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Kriz is right, I've heard potential superstar, but not generational. I've just done the Oregon Vs Boise game, the Oregon front outmatched the Boise O-Line and he still produced. The Vision, lateral movement and contact balance are all elite, the burst is very good. I'd like to see more stiff arms and pass catching chops, but he's a great prospect.

All of the teams above will be having the same discussion we are, but they will have better talent available to them as they're higher up the board, doesn't mean anything if they choose other players.

So he's not even a generational RB lol? Jesus man start watching some other RBs in this draft if you don't think that's true.

who's a better talent outside of Hunter/carter to be a "superstar" player? Why wouldn't he go top 5 or inside the top 10 no problem?

unless…..

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Second2Nunley:
That is close to what you will be paying a back up running back if you choose him at 11.

First off Jeanty wouldn't be a backup and secondly Mason isn't in Jeantys stratosphere as a RB

First off yes, he would be a backup because he's not gonna play over CMC and his contract. If anything it's splitting carries, which lessens his value even more.

we didn't NEED a guy like Mason to be in AJ's stratosphere to produce on the ground. SF was 6th overall in yards per carry last yr and that's without our OPOY RB.

FYI Mason avg 93 ypg last yr when he got 9 or more carries. He was 8th overall in the league in YPCX Acting like that s**t isn't good is silly. UDFA and Bobby Tuner strike again

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Kriz is right, I've heard potential superstar, but not generational. I've just done the Oregon Vs Boise game, the Oregon front outmatched the Boise O-Line and he still produced. The Vision, lateral movement and contact balance are all elite, the burst is very good. I'd like to see more stiff arms and pass catching chops, but he's a great prospect.

All of the teams above will be having the same discussion we are, but they will have better talent available to them as they're higher up the board, doesn't mean anything if they choose other players.

So he's not even a generational RB lol? Jesus man start watching some other RBs in this draft if you don't think that's true.

who's a better talent outside of Hunter/carter to be a "superstar" player? Why wouldn't he go top 5 or inside the top 10 no problem?

unless…..

You know I've watched a lot, my tiers are on your RB page, generational gets thrown out too often. Hunter is the only guy I'd attach that label in this class. It was a historical season and the tape is amazing. RB's have been undervalued, I thought that would be corrected after last year, but it doesn't seem to have been.

Bottom line and maybe my last word on it, is that we have to hit on this pick and he's one of the safest ways to do so in my opinion.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Also I mean if AJ is the next yearly generational RB he should be a no brainer top 5 pick in a draft class like this, amirite?

browns/NY/pats/jags could all use a once in a lifetime RB. Toss in the Raiders/jets/bears/panthers.

I believe all people were saying was BPA

I mean if he's this yrs generational RB there's absolutely zero chance he's makes it to 11, right? He's BPA for every single team who can't get Hunter/Carter.

If there are no trades then I would imagine the Raiders and Bears would be sniffing around AJ, with the Cowboys probably looking at moving up if he falls. If I am pretending to think like the 49ers, their M.O. has been drafting a middle round RB every draft so I wouldn't expect that to change here. They have traditionally focused on defensive line in round 1, although they also took McGlinchey so there's that. We know they like trenches in round 1. With that in mind, I would rank them:

OTs
- Campbell, Membou, Banks, Simmons

I don't think you'll use a round 1 selection on a guy who i'd consider primarily a plug defender. You'd want a pass rushing 3 tech or an edge rusher:

DTs
- Graham, Nolen, Harmon

Edge
- Carter, Green, Walker, Stewart

Given the 49ers have a serviceable offensive line, assuming Trent Williams is back, then I would favour Walker and Green. If Williams is going to retire then you are forced into taking the best available OT.

I could see the 49ers jumping to 7 to grab one of these guys if they fall.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
You know I've watched a lot, my tiers are on your RB page, generational gets thrown out too often. Hunter is the only guy I'd attach that label in this class. It was a historical season and the tape is amazing. RB's have been undervalued, I thought that would be corrected after last year, but it doesn't seem to have been.

Bottom line and maybe my last word on it, is that we have to hit on this pick and he's one of the safest ways to do so in my opinion.

I think there's a handful of "safe" prospects that have high upside and play an actual impactful position of need.

I would rather trade down with a team that wants him, than draft him.

I think RBs are valued correctly and we see that every single yr when a collection of mid rd RBs perform great. There's a reason why they're consistently available in FA. I know I sound like a broken record, but it's the most replaceable position in sports. Their shelf life is short. Is what it is.

Originally posted by bzborow1:
If there are no trades then I would imagine the Raiders and Bears would be sniffing around AJ, with the Cowboys probably looking at moving up if he falls. If I am pretending to think like the 49ers, their M.O. has been drafting a middle round RB every draft so I wouldn't expect that to change here. They have traditionally focused on defensive line in round 1, although they also took McGlinchey so there's that. We know they like trenches in round 1. With that in mind, I would rank them:

OTs
- Campbell, Membou, Banks, Simmons

I don't think you'll use a round 1 selection on a guy who i'd consider primarily a plug defender. You'd want a pass rushing 3 tech or an edge rusher:

DTs
- Graham, Nolen, Harmon

Edge
- Carter, Green, Walker, Stewart

Given the 49ers have a serviceable offensive line, assuming Trent Williams is back, then I would favour Walker and Green. If Williams is going to retire then you are forced into taking the best available OT.

I could see the 49ers jumping to 7 to grab one of these guys if they fall.

Mykel Williams is growing on me. Dane comped him to Jason Pierre-Paul…but I think he's a much better run defender coming into the league.

top 10 recruit in the country and heading into the 2024 season he was looked at as a top 5 pick. Dealt with an ankle injury all yr.

overall I'm not sure if he's gonna be there, but the more I watch the more I could see Coach K and Saleh loving this kid. I would take him over Stewart if the plan is EDGE

whoops, wrong thread

Jeez! Sorry I created a monster by starting all the Jeantry talk LOL…

Ok, back on topic. Who do u think we end of taking? I think Niners are weighing pros and cons on Walter Nolen. Is he the next Jalen Carter? Do they play it safe and reach slightly for Harmon?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
That twitter page is never right.

I don't believe it, but remember what happened last time. Kyle said "we aren't going to be this high again let's take a swing" Lynch said "Hold my beer"

And how did that go for us lol?

Also last time the roster was in a much better spot depth/starter wise.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
If there are no trades then I would imagine the Raiders and Bears would be sniffing around AJ, with the Cowboys probably looking at moving up if he falls. If I am pretending to think like the 49ers, their M.O. has been drafting a middle round RB every draft so I wouldn't expect that to change here. They have traditionally focused on defensive line in round 1, although they also took McGlinchey so there's that. We know they like trenches in round 1. With that in mind, I would rank them:

OTs
- Campbell, Membou, Banks, Simmons

I don't think you'll use a round 1 selection on a guy who i'd consider primarily a plug defender. You'd want a pass rushing 3 tech or an edge rusher:

DTs
- Graham, Nolen, Harmon

Edge
- Carter, Green, Walker, Stewart

Given the 49ers have a serviceable offensive line, assuming Trent Williams is back, then I would favour Walker and Green. If Williams is going to retire then you are forced into taking the best available OT.

I could see the 49ers jumping to 7 to grab one of these guys if they fall.

Mykel Williams is growing on me. Dane comped him to Jason Pierre-Paul…but I think he's a much better run defender coming into the league.

top 10 recruit in the country and heading into the 2024 season he was looked at as a top 5 pick. Dealt with an ankle injury all yr.

overall I'm not sure if he's gonna be there, but the more I watch the more I could see Coach K and Saleh loving this kid. I would take him over Stewart if the plan is EDGE

Yeah and he's built like Aldon Smith. To be honest I'm not crazy on any of these guys. I see Mike Green as a great pass rusher but can get washed out by bigger tackles due to his lack of size, is he a situational 3rd down pass rusher? Shemar Stewart has all the tools you want but has only 4 sacks in college so he's the ultimate boom or bust pick. Harmon has one year of production and although he has a high pass rush win rate he too can't seem to finish plays with sacks. Jalon Walker I think would fit more of a Ravens-style of defense; he's Micah Parsons without the sack production. Walter Nolen has great pass rush instincts but can be easily gobbled up by offensive lineman, you'd like more of a penetrator. Baldy mentioned Pearce as another good option, and I like him, but he struggles bending the corner.

Personally I like Green because he's got an advanced football skillset and the production to match. You could start him off as a 3rd down pass rusher, moving Gross-Matos to DT in those cases. I think Harman fits the mold of previous defensive tackles the 49ers have drafted (tall, huge) so you can't sleep on him. It's hard to bet against Williams because he's produced consistently against the best college has to offer. Can he generate pressure though?

Originally posted by bigpete50:
Jeez! Sorry I created a monster by starting all the Jeantry talk LOL…

Ok, back on topic. Who do u think we end of taking? I think Niners are weighing pros and cons on Walter Nolen. Is he the next Jalen Carter? Do they play it safe and reach slightly for Harmon?

Shemar Stewart unfortunately

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Yeah and he's built like Aldon Smith. To be honest I'm not crazy on any of these guys. I see Mike Green as a great pass rusher but can get washed out by bigger tackles due to his lack of size, is he a situational 3rd down pass rusher? Shemar Stewart has all the tools you want but has only 4 sacks in college so he's the ultimate boom or bust pick. Harmon has one year of production and although he has a high pass rush win rate he too can't seem to finish plays with sacks. Jalon Walker I think would fit more of a Ravens-style of defense; he's Micah Parsons without the sack production. Walter Nolen has great pass rush instincts but can be easily gobbled up by offensive lineman, you'd like more of a penetrator. Baldy mentioned Pearce as another good option, and I like him, but he struggles bending the corner.

Personally I like Green because he's got an advanced football skillset and the production to match. You could start him off as a 3rd down pass rusher, moving Gross-Matos to DT in those cases. I think Harman fits the mold of previous defensive tackles the 49ers have drafted (tall, huge) so you can't sleep on him. It's hard to bet against Williams because he's produced consistently against the best college has to offer. Can he generate pressure though?

I don't even think Green will be on our board because of the off field stuff.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
First off yes, he would be a backup because he's not gonna play over CMC and his contract. If anything it's splitting carries, which lessens his value even more.

we didn't NEED a guy like Mason to be in AJ's stratosphere to produce on the ground. SF was 6th overall in yards per carry last yr and that's without our OPOY RB.

FYI Mason avg 93 ypg last yr when he got 9 or more carries. He was 8th overall in the league in YPCX Acting like that s**t isn't good is silly. UDFA and Bobby Tuner strike again

And how was Mason's receiving, route running and pass pro? He is nothing more than a two down thumper.

You talk about replaceable backs and Mason is exactly that. He is a dime a dozen RB.

You act like Jeanty wouldn't see the field over CMC. Who is soon to be 29 years old, coming off injuries to both his Achilles and a torn knee. I love the guy and he is as dynamic as it gets but his days as a workhorse back are over no matter what we are paying him.

That was yet another mistake re-doing his contract just like it was a mistake extending Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiuyk. The old saying of getting rid of a player a year too early instead of a year too late doesn't apply to John Lynch apparently and now we are paying the price.

Of course we don't NEED a RB like Jeanty. We don't NEED a RB like CMC either but you have to admit that our offense is on another level with a dual threat, true 3 down back.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
And how was Mason's receiving, route running and pass pro? He is nothing more than a two down thumper.

You talk about replaceable backs and Mason is exactly that. He is a dime a dozen RB.

You act like Jeanty wouldn't see the field over CMC. Who is soon to be 29 years old, coming off injuries to both his Achilles and a torn knee. I love the guy and he is as dynamic as it gets but his days as a workhorse back are over no matter what we are paying him.

That was yet another mistake re-doing his contract just like it was a mistake extending Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiuyk. The old saying of getting rid of a player a year too early instead of a year too late doesn't apply to John Lynch apparently and now we are paying the price.

Of course we don't NEED a RB like Jeanty. We don't NEED a RB like CMC either but you have to admit that our offense is on another level with a dual threat, true 3 down back.

Perfectly said. Except the seeing the field over CMC part.