The 2025 Senior Bowl Discussion Thread

Originally posted by krizay:
If they plan on cutting Juice then 60% of snaps are available. Plus another 20% the backup TEs play. So theoretically Warren could see the field up to 80% of the snaps.

Playing time shouldn't be a reason to not draft Warren. Sure there are others. Playing time not one. Assuming they cut Juice of course.

I'm looking at personnel tendency in 2024 and SF was 31st in the league running 12 personnel at 7.5%.

I mean are you planning on lining Warren as a RB and run blocking? We run a lot of 21 personnel (11 is obviously the highest).

if he's drafted it would mean they're changing their philosophy in the passing game and someone is gonna sit the bench next yr imo

Originally posted by genus49:
Playing time should absolutely be a reason not to take Warren at 11 overall. All respect to Juice are you drafting him in the first round?

Who knows what's going to happen with Deebo but you're still hurting yourself running a lot of 2 TE sets in todays NFL.

Warren isn't Brock Bowers. When you have Kelce, Kittle, McBride, Laporta, Andrews all drafted well outside the top 15 it's just really poor return for your investment.

If you're going to take a TE that high, you pretty much better expect him to be a day 1 starter and key contributor to your offense.

How much of a key contributor can we say Juice or any TE2 we've had with Kittle here been? Hell we can argue Kittle hasn't been as big of a contributor as he should be.

I would be absolutely shocked if they took Warren at 11. Hell I'd be shocked if they traded down and still took him.

Starks I would absolutely be good with. I feel like we forget that the defense we run was a Seattle offshoot and their secondary was excellent for a few reasons but the key to their success was Earl Thomas. Starks next to Mustafa could be a big advantage for us schematically. Especially with a deep DL group to build up the defense as well.

So you missed the part about theoretically playing up to 80% of the snaps IF
they move off of Juice.

Warren playing 80% of the snaps would be better than Juice and Saubert(or Dwelley or whatever TE2) playing 80% of the snaps. Yet thats exactly what we've been doing the past few years.

I agree they haven't been big contributors but that's because we haven't invested in a true TE2. He tried when he brought in Jordan Reed but dude got hurt. They tried this offseason with Brock Wright but the deal got matched.

Them getting a legit TE2 is coming. The signs are there. It will happen this year and I predict 66% usage rate. How that looks statistically remains to be seen. Also, not saying it will or has to be Warren. But a legit TE2 is coming in 2025

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm looking at personnel tendency in 2024 and SF was 31st in the league running 12 personnel at 7.5%.

I mean are you planning on lining Warren as a RB and run blocking? We run a lot of 21 personnel (11 is obviously the highest).

if he's drafted it would mean they're changing their philosophy in the passing game and someone is gonna sit the bench next yr imo

How often is Juice in the backfield at the snap? Warren would get motioned out just like Juice.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

49ers Mock Draft 2.0 with a trade down and then a trade up.
Thoughts? pic.twitter.com/n3o5nfT3TU

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) February 1, 2025

what do you guys think of this mock?

Sounds about right. First couple picks are ummm ok, then the rest are players I have no knowledge about, so I google them and then force my self to be happy about the picks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
If they plan on cutting Juice then 60% of snaps are available. Plus another 20% the backup TEs play. So theoretically Warren could see the field up to 80% of the snaps.

Playing time shouldn't be a reason to not draft Warren. Sure there are others. Playing time not one. Assuming they cut Juice of course.

I'm looking at personnel tendency in 2024 and SF was 31st in the league running 12 personnel at 7.5%.

I mean are you planning on lining Warren as a RB and run blocking? We run a lot of 21 personnel (11 is obviously the highest).

if he's drafted it would mean they're changing their philosophy in the passing game and someone is gonna sit the bench next yr imo

This offense doesn't lack playmakers it lacks in both sides of the trenches. We do not need another weapon that won't get enough targets. Hell we can subtract 1 playmaker and just get the ball to Kittle more and would honestly be better.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
If they plan on cutting Juice then 60% of snaps are available. Plus another 20% the backup TEs play. So theoretically Warren could see the field up to 80% of the snaps.

Playing time shouldn't be a reason to not draft Warren. Sure there are others. Playing time not one. Assuming they cut Juice of course.

I'm looking at personnel tendency in 2024 and SF was 31st in the league running 12 personnel at 7.5%.

I mean are you planning on lining Warren as a RB and run blocking? We run a lot of 21 personnel (11 is obviously the highest).

if he's drafted it would mean they're changing their philosophy in the passing game and someone is gonna sit the bench next yr imo

This offense doesn't lack playmakers it lacks in both sides of the trenches. We do not need another weapon that won't get enough targets. Hell we can subtract 1 playmaker and just get the ball to Kittle more and would honestly be better.

Amen! I dont see how anyone who follows the 49ers can't see that the top priority is to fix both lines ASAP. Why pay Purdy, Kittle, Deebo, and Aiyuk a fortune if you don't have enough time to effectively pass the ball. And obviously the team needs someone to pressure the qb other than Bosa.

Use a 4th rd pick on a TE/FB if necessary but the first 3 rounds should be exclusively used for the trenches

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
If they plan on cutting Juice then 60% of snaps are available. Plus another 20% the backup TEs play. So theoretically Warren could see the field up to 80% of the snaps.

Playing time shouldn't be a reason to not draft Warren. Sure there are others. Playing time not one. Assuming they cut Juice of course.

I'm looking at personnel tendency in 2024 and SF was 31st in the league running 12 personnel at 7.5%.

I mean are you planning on lining Warren as a RB and run blocking? We run a lot of 21 personnel (11 is obviously the highest).

if he's drafted it would mean they're changing their philosophy in the passing game and someone is gonna sit the bench next yr imo

This offense doesn't lack playmakers it lacks in both sides of the trenches. We do not need another weapon that won't get enough targets. Hell we can subtract 1 playmaker and just get the ball to Kittle more and would honestly be better.

Amen! I dont see how anyone who follows the 49ers can't see that the top priority is to fix both lines ASAP. Why pay Purdy, Kittle, Deebo, and Aiyuk a fortune if you don't have enough time to effectively pass the ball. And obviously the team needs someone to pressure the qb other than Bosa.

Use a 4th rd pick on a TE/FB if necessary but the first 3 rounds should be exclusively used for the trenches

Then trade back 4-10 spots and let's go trenches + an additional 2nd round pick to go more trenches while with our original 2nd rounder we go trenches again.

I'm all for it.

1. Mike Green / Pearce Jr. EDGE
2. Darius Alexander DL
2. TJ Sanders DL
3. Best G on the board
3. Femi Oledejo EDGE
4. Anthony Belton T

Sign Dalman C.
Sign Jamien Sherwood LB
Resign Greenlaw LB

Trenches fixed by Round 4.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
If they plan on cutting Juice then 60% of snaps are available. Plus another 20% the backup TEs play. So theoretically Warren could see the field up to 80% of the snaps.

Playing time shouldn't be a reason to not draft Warren. Sure there are others. Playing time not one. Assuming they cut Juice of course.

I'm looking at personnel tendency in 2024 and SF was 31st in the league running 12 personnel at 7.5%.

I mean are you planning on lining Warren as a RB and run blocking? We run a lot of 21 personnel (11 is obviously the highest).

if he's drafted it would mean they're changing their philosophy in the passing game and someone is gonna sit the bench next yr imo

This offense doesn't lack playmakers it lacks in both sides of the trenches. We do not need another weapon that won't get enough targets. Hell we can subtract 1 playmaker and just get the ball to Kittle more and would honestly be better.

Amen! I dont see how anyone who follows the 49ers can't see that the top priority is to fix both lines ASAP. Why pay Purdy, Kittle, Deebo, and Aiyuk a fortune if you don't have enough time to effectively pass the ball. And obviously the team needs someone to pressure the qb other than Bosa.

Use a 4th rd pick on a TE/FB if necessary but the first 3 rounds should be exclusively used for the trenches

Then trade back 4-10 spots and let's go trenches + an additional 2nd round pick to go more trenches while with our original 2nd rounder we go trenches again.

I'm all for it.

1. Mike Green / Pearce Jr. EDGE
2. Darius Alexander DL
2. TJ Sanders DL
3. Best G on the board
3. Femi Oledejo EDGE
4. Anthony Belton T

Sign Dalman C.
Sign Jamien Sherwood LB
Resign Greenlaw LB

Trenches fixed by Round 4.

I'm all for your draft but don't forget free agency.

BJ Hill, DJ Jones or Jeremiah Ledbetter as a nose
Osa Odighizuwa as a 3T
Josh Sweat, Azeez Ojularii, Matt Judon or Khalil Mack at edge

Maybe even a trade like Deebo for Joey Bosa or a few high picks for Maxx Crosby.

Regardless, I think we will be major players in free agency this year with the SB in our barn.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

49ers Mock Draft 2.0 with a trade down and then a trade up.
Thoughts? pic.twitter.com/n3o5nfT3TU

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) February 1, 2025

what do you guys think of this mock?

Sounds about right. First couple picks are ummm ok, then the rest are players I have no knowledge about, so I google them and then force my self to be happy about the picks.

lol

So who rose and who fell?

Here's what I'd do at 11, in order of preference

Abdul Carter Jr, EDGE
Trade for Myles Garrett, DE
Mason Graham, DT
Shemar Stewart, DE
Joshua Simmons (if healthy), OT
Will Johnson, CB
Malaki Starks, S
Will Campell, OL
Small Trade Down
Armand Membou, OT
Medium Trade Down
Jahdae Barron, DB
Mike Green, EDGE
Large Trade Down
Josh Connerly, OT
Tyler Warren, TE
James Pearce, EDGE

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Here's what I'd do at 11, in order of preference

Abdul Carter Jr, EDGE
Trade for Myles Garrett, DE
Mason Graham, DT
Shemar Stewart, DE
Joshua Simmons (if healthy), OT
Will Johnson, CB
Malaki Starks, S
Will Campell, OL
Small Trade Down
Armand Membou, OT
Medium Trade Down
Jahdae Barron, DB
Mike Green, EDGE
Large Trade Down
Josh Connerly, OT
Tyler Warren, TE
James Pearce, EDGE

Looks like a good list to me

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Playing time should absolutely be a reason not to take Warren at 11 overall. All respect to Juice are you drafting him in the first round?

Who knows what's going to happen with Deebo but you're still hurting yourself running a lot of 2 TE sets in todays NFL.

Warren isn't Brock Bowers. When you have Kelce, Kittle, McBride, Laporta, Andrews all drafted well outside the top 15 it's just really poor return for your investment.

If you're going to take a TE that high, you pretty much better expect him to be a day 1 starter and key contributor to your offense.

How much of a key contributor can we say Juice or any TE2 we've had with Kittle here been? Hell we can argue Kittle hasn't been as big of a contributor as he should be.

I would be absolutely shocked if they took Warren at 11. Hell I'd be shocked if they traded down and still took him.

Starks I would absolutely be good with. I feel like we forget that the defense we run was a Seattle offshoot and their secondary was excellent for a few reasons but the key to their success was Earl Thomas. Starks next to Mustafa could be a big advantage for us schematically. Especially with a deep DL group to build up the defense as well.

So you missed the part about theoretically playing up to 80% of the snaps IF
they move off of Juice.

Warren playing 80% of the snaps would be better than Juice and Saubert(or Dwelley or whatever TE2) playing 80% of the snaps. Yet thats exactly what we've been doing the past few years.

I agree they haven't been big contributors but that's because we haven't invested in a true TE2. He tried when he brought in Jordan Reed but dude got hurt. They tried this offseason with Brock Wright but the deal got matched.

Them getting a legit TE2 is coming. The signs are there. It will happen this year and I predict 66% usage rate. How that looks statistically remains to be seen. Also, not saying it will or has to be Warren. But a legit TE2 is coming in 2025

Nope...I got it.

Juice and Saubert accounted for 45 targets last year and 30 receptions. This TE class is pretty strong. The much smarter move is to take one later in the draft so you're getting proper production from TE2 based on where you drafted them. Brock Wright isn't exactly elite playmaker. They were going to bring him in to become more diverse but it's not a move that shakes things up.

I really don't understand the love for him there. Once again he's not Brock Bowers. He had a great year after being fed. I'd love to have the guy but not with that high of a pick, not when we have much bigger needs which align to the strength of this draft class.

Not sure why the draft discussion thread is locked but if the draft went like this I would be so pumped lol


he also doesn't have Graham as his top DT

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Here's what I'd do at 11, in order of preference

Abdul Carter Jr, EDGE
Trade for Myles Garrett, DE
Mason Graham, DT
Shemar Stewart, DE
Joshua Simmons (if healthy), OT
Will Johnson, CB
Malaki Starks, S
Will Campell, OL
Small Trade Down
Armand Membou, OT
Medium Trade Down
Jahdae Barron, DB
Mike Green, EDGE
Large Trade Down
Josh Connerly, OT
Tyler Warren, TE
James Pearce, EDGE

Simmons is off my board in the 1st couple rds with a torn Patellar tendon. That is a rough injury to come back from. A lot of dudes aren't the same after.