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2025 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion

Originally posted by genus49:

49ers haul

Will Johnson CB
Walter Nolen DT
Aireontae Ersery OT
Cameron Williams OT
Sai'vion Jones Edge
RJ Harvey RB
Thomas Fidone II TE
Cody Simon LB
Riley Leonard QB
Willie Lampkin C
Hunter Wohler S

Imagine going into the season with this current DL+ just Walter Nolen/Sai'vion Jones. Everyone is getting fired next offseason after fielding the worst run stopping DL in the NFL as well as Walter Nolen being looked as a bust after being underwhelming from getting few opportunities to rush the passer due to the pathetic run defense as well as being worn down from taking on an avalanche of double teams next to Jordan Elliot, Evan Anderson and Kalia Davis.
[ Edited by Heroism on Mar 27, 2025 at 10:57 AM ]
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by genus49:

49ers haul

Will Johnson CB
Walter Nolen DT
Aireontae Ersery OT
Cameron Williams OT
Sai'vion Jones Edge
RJ Harvey RB
Thomas Fidone II TE
Cody Simon LB
Riley Leonard QB
Willie Lampkin C
Hunter Wohler S

Imagine going into the season with this current DL+ just Walter Nolen/Sai'vion Jones. Everyone is getting fired next offseason after fielding the worst run stopping DL in the NFL as well as Walter Nolen being looked as a bust after being underwhelming from getting few opportunities to rush the passer due to the pathetic run defense as well as being worn down from taking on an avalanche of double teams next to Jordan Elliot, Evan Anderson and Kalia Davis.
I don't see how anyone can see that draft as win.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Imagine going into the season with this current DL+ just Walter Nolen/Sai'vion Jones. Everyone is getting fired next offseason after fielding the worst run stopping DL in the NFL as well as Walter Nolen being looked as a bust after being underwhelming from getting few opportunities to rush the passer due to the pathetic run defense as well as being worn down from taking on an avalanche of double teams next to Jordan Elliot, Evan Anderson and Kalia Davis.

Well agree to disagree man.

I think Matos is in for a big year if he stays healthy. We have always had success with these type of guys. Arden Key, Charles Omenihu etc. and I also believe Evan Anderson will be productive as a base NT in his 2nd year.

Bosa and Nolan side by side would be game wreckers.

Base D
DE- Yetur Gross Matos
NT- Evan Anderson
DT- Walter Nolan
DE- Nick Bosa

Nickle D
DE- Savion Jones
NT- Yetur Gross Matos
DT- Walter Nolan
DE- Nick Bosa

3rd unit
DE- Sam Okuayinonu
DT- Kevin Givens
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
I don't see how anyone can see that draft as win.

I like a lot of the players but that draft is screaming out for a Jamaree Caldwell or a Cam Horsley, a pure inside run stopper that can just eat blockers.

Wohler is one guy that I do like a lot. If nothing else I can see him being a monster contributor on special teams.
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Well agree to disagree man.

I think Matos is in for a big year if he stays healthy. We have always had success with these type of guys. Arden Key, Charles Omenihu etc. and I also believe Evan Anderson will be productive as a base NT in his 2nd year.

Bosa and Nolan side by side would be game wreckers.

Base D
DE- Yetur Gross Matos
NT- Evan Anderson
DT- Walter Nolan
DE- Nick Bosa

Nickle D
DE- Savion Jones
NT- Yetur Gross Matos
DT- Walter Nolan
DE- Nick Bosa

3rd unit
DE- Sam Okuayinonu
DT- Kevin Givens

This is the worst DL in the NFL. The majority of this unit that'll make the team shouldn't make the final 53. At some point, you're forced to play Kalia Davis, Jordan Elliott, Kevin Givens, etc because the wide 9 is absolutely punishing and demanding on the DL due to the nature of how offenses attack it. Absolutely nothing was done to address the run with Miller's mock. Zero improvement against duo and inside zone with this roster. IDL would get mauled and worn down AGAIN next season. In fact, the run defense may have gotten worse than last year with this group because you've got a 290-pound rookie in the middle that won't be ready to physically endure the onslaught on duo blocks and combo blocks coming right at him for 17 games.

and keeping it real—if I'm Bosa, I'm asking for a trade next offseason. Enough with every OL sliding protection his way and being chipped every week with zero help.

Imagine trying to matchup with the Eagles and Lions' OL+running game with that small, weak DL. Offenses have been attacking the wide 9 with the same f**king plays for years now because the 49ers have completely neglected to beef up the interior DL. That draft would assure everyone's ass gets fired next offseason.

[ Edited by Heroism on Mar 27, 2025 at 11:40 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
I don't see how anyone can see that draft as win.

I like a lot of the players but that draft is screaming out for a Jamaree Caldwell or a Cam Horsley, a pure inside run stopper that can just eat blockers.

Wohler is one guy that I do like a lot. If nothing else I can see him being a monster contributor on special teams.
I'm a huge fan of Caldwell and have been impressed by what little I've seen from Horsley so adding either or both would change my perspective on this draft.

A fan of the first three picks but thought he went off the rails a little after that due to neglecting the Dline.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Well agree to disagree man.

I think Matos is in for a big year if he stays healthy. We have always had success with these type of guys. Arden Key, Charles Omenihu etc. and I also believe Evan Anderson will be productive as a base NT in his 2nd year.

Bosa and Nolan side by side would be game wreckers.

Base D
DE- Yetur Gross Matos
NT- Evan Anderson
DT- Walter Nolan
DE- Nick Bosa

Nickle D
DE- Savion Jones
NT- Yetur Gross Matos
DT- Walter Nolan
DE- Nick Bosa

3rd unit
DE- Sam Okuayinonu
DT- Kevin Givens

This is the worst DL in the NFL. The majority of this unit that'll make the team shouldn't make the final 53. At some point, you're forced to play Kalia Davis, Jordan Elliott, Kevin Givens, etc because the wide 9 is absolutely punishing and demanding on the DL due to the nature of how offenses attack it. Absolutely nothing was done to address the run with Miller's mock. Zero improvement against duo and inside zone with this roster. IDL would get mauled and worn down AGAIN next season. In fact, the run defense may have gotten worse than last year with this group because you've got a 290-pound rookie in the middle that won't be ready to physically endure the onslaught on duo blocks and combo blocks coming right at him for 17 games.

and keeping it real—if I'm Bosa, I'm asking for a trade next offseason. Enough with every OL sliding protection his way and being chipped every week with zero help.

Imagine trying to matchup with the Eagles and Lions' OL+running game with that small, weak DL. Offenses have been attacking the wide 9 with the same f**king plays for years now because the 49ers have completely neglected to beef up the interior DL. That draft would assure everyone's ass gets fired next offseason.


You did a deep dive into the dline class didn't you? Real question: who do you like to target in the various rounds to fix this issue? I guess I land on taking edge at 11, someone like Mike Green (what do you think about his fit with the wide 9?) and then go interior in the 2-3 rounds? I would probably double up on interior as well in these rounds - seems like there are a bunch of good prospects. I'm just curious what you think.
Originally posted by Heroism:
This is the worst DL in the NFL. The majority of this unit that'll make the team shouldn't make the final 53. At some point, you're forced to play Kalia Davis, Jordan Elliott, Kevin Givens, etc because the wide 9 is absolutely punishing and demanding on the DL due to the nature of how offenses attack it. Absolutely nothing was done to address the run with Miller's mock. Zero improvement against duo and inside zone with this roster. IDL would get mauled and worn down AGAIN next season. In fact, the run defense may have gotten worse than last year with this group because you've got a 290-pound rookie in the middle that won't be ready to physically endure the onslaught on duo blocks and combo blocks coming right at him for 17 games.

and keeping it real—if I'm Bosa, I'm asking for a trade next offseason. Enough with every OL sliding protection his way and being chipped every week with zero help.

Imagine trying to matchup with the Eagles and Lions' OL+running game with that small, weak DL. Offenses have been attacking the wide 9 with the same f**king plays for years now because the 49ers have completely neglected to beef up the interior DL. That draft would assure everyone's ass gets fired next offseason.


and what do you suggest we do about it?
Originally posted by Heroism:
This is the worst DL in the NFL. The majority of this unit that'll make the team shouldn't make the final 53. At some point, you're forced to play Kalia Davis, Jordan Elliott, Kevin Givens, etc because the wide 9 is absolutely punishing and demanding on the DL due to the nature of how offenses attack it. Absolutely nothing was done to address the run with Miller's mock. Zero improvement against duo and inside zone with this roster. IDL would get mauled and worn down AGAIN next season. In fact, the run defense may have gotten worse than last year with this group because you've got a 290-pound rookie in the middle that won't be ready to physically endure the onslaught on duo blocks and combo blocks coming right at him for 17 games.

and keeping it real—if I'm Bosa, I'm asking for a trade next offseason. Enough with every OL sliding protection his way and being chipped every week with zero help.

Imagine trying to matchup with the Eagles and Lions' OL+running game with that small, weak DL. Offenses have been attacking the wide 9 with the same f**king plays for years now because the 49ers have completely neglected to beef up the interior DL. That draft would assure everyone's ass gets fired next offseason.


It's fair, I campaigned for DJ Jones hard and we never replaced him. Who would you look at? Collins from Texas? Grant, Michigan? Pegues, Ole Miss?
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
and what do you suggest we do about it?

The 49ers have 11 picks in one of the deepest DL drafts ever while having one of the worst DL units in the NFL. The obvious first step here is to draft way more than just 1 IDL and 1 EDGE. I don't care if both those picks end up being homeruns. That's not nearly enough when you're objectively evaluating the gaping holes on the DL.

I'm purely a tape guy, so go by what I see on film. This is a bad DL against the pass, but holy f**k, it's god awful against the run. The league has trended back to running the ball, so if the 49ers' don't strengthen up that area, they're in deep s**t. There isn't a single EDGE(sans Bosa) or IDL that isn't replaceable that's remaining on the team. If you're a metrics guy, check out these numbers that affirm what I saw last year. The 49ers' had the 29th ranked run defense in the NFL. Check out the run defense grades for the guys still left on the roster. Holy hell, this is a dire situation and clearly guys like Matt Miller are disconnected from the reality of what's happening in SF:



We haven't even touched on how the DL affects the LB play. I truly believe that Fred got hurt last year because he had through sift through so much second level b******t. Also, if Lynch really believes in Dee Winters, you better keep him clean because taking on blocks is a glaring weakness of his.
[ Edited by Heroism on Mar 27, 2025 at 12:41 PM ]
Originally posted by Heroism:
The 49ers have 11 picks in one of the deepest DL drafts ever while having one of the worst DL units in the NFL. The obvious first step here is to draft way more than just 1 IDL and 1 EDGE. I don't care if both those picks end up being homeruns. That's not nearly enough when you're objectively evaluating the gaping holes on the DL.

I'm purely a tape guy, so go by what I see on film. This is a bad DL against the pass, but holy f**k, it's god awful against the run. The league has trended back to running the ball, so if the 49ers' don't strengthen up that area, they're in deep s**t. There isn't a single EDGE(sans Bosa) or IDL that isn't replaceable that's remaining on the team. If you're a metrics guy, check out these numbers that affirm what I saw last year. The 49ers' had the 29th ranked run defense in the NFL. Check out the run defense grades for the guys still left on the roster. Holy hell, this is a dire situation and clearly guys like Matt Miller are disconnected from the reality of what's happening in SF:



We haven't even touched on how the DL affects the LB play. I truly believe that Fred got hurt last year because he had through sift through so much second level b******t. Also, if Lynch really believes in Dee Winters, you better keep him clean because taking on blocks is a glaring weakness of his.

Ya, I agree man. I mentioned that is why we cut Hargrave, Collins and Floyd.

But I'm not sure what we can do about it. Relying on a bunch of rookies isn't the best strategy. But it seems to be our only solution.

I'd love for us to sign Calais Campbell after the draft. He would immediately shore up our run D.

And for the record, this is the mock draft I posted in the sub forum

1.11- Derrick Harmon, DL- Oregon
6'4, 315

-Explosive 3T. Destroys double teams and wrecks one on ones. 39 pressures this last year. Instant starter who team will have to scheme away from. Put him next to Bosa to take on double teams freeing up Bosa with 1 on 1's. Let him attack gaps on passing downs and create pressures all game long.

2.43- Landon Jackson, DE- Arkansas
6'6, 265

-Elite run defender. Rangy and nonstop motor. He has improved every year. Day 1 starter and elite edge setter. The pass rush plan will come by year 2 and he will be a force.

3.75- Demetrius Knight, LB- South Carolina
6'2, 235

-Instinctive, sideline to sideline range. Big, tough and physical. Character, field dementor, leader.

3.100- Alfred Collins, DT- Texas
6'6, 330

-Best run defending DT in the class. 6'5, 330 pound immovable object who will demand a double teams. Instantly upgrades our brutal run D. Offers nothing as a pass rusher but that's not why I want him on this team.

4.113- Jordan Phillips, DT- Maryland
6'2, 315

-20 year old with arguably the most potential among the DT class. Elite explosion and dominant run defender. Not much of a pass rusher yet but when he puts it together he could be a game wrecker.
[ Edited by Sask49erFan on Mar 27, 2025 at 1:13 PM ]
Lol at us running wide 9 rn. I know thats Saleh forte but we'd need to have a sudden breakout starter, hopefully pick some one up in free agency/trade and get 2 good DL in the draft.

You gotta have a solid DL across the board to run that right now we have 1 with a bunch of "ok" backups.
Originally posted by genus49:
Tesla stock going up?

Hope not lol
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't see the OTs being scheme fits really. Not sure how the rest of the mock went (and who was there) but back to back OTs is not where I'm going.

I would expect more DL and a WR

Ersery is absolutely a scheme fit.

You think so? I guess I need to watch more. Doesn't come off as very athletic on film (great RAS score) and his arm length for his size is underwhelming.

We need to come away with more than Nolen as a true DT (and he's a bit undersized).
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