2025 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion | Page 93

adrianlesnar · 2024-09-03T13:24:31-07:00

With 1 week of CFB already wrapped up and in the books, it's time to start the 2025 thread. Post anything and everything from live reactions to CFB games, prospects to watch, players that are catching your eye, etc.

Mar 29, 2025 at 9:53 PM

#1381

Heroism
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:

This is a big question to answer for someone who could be an option for the Saints at No. 9.

McMillan says in this clip that he doesn't watch football, struggles to watch film and never watches it by himself. https://t.co/9HWfKgv3v6
— Nick Underhill (@nick_underhill) March 28, 2025

yikes

easy pass

Mar 30, 2025 at 6:52 AM

#1382

miked1978
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So he relied on his physical gifts to get by in college. Life will come at him hard in the NFL when everyone has those same gifts as you.

Mar 30, 2025 at 7:22 AM

#1383

Izyniner
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Originally posted by miked1978:
So he relied on his physical gifts to get by in college. Life will come at him hard in the NFL when everyone has those same gifts as you.

Or he's trying to eat and doesn't want to answer questions from some rando that won't allow him to eat. He doesn't look happy being asked questions while stuffing his face.

Mar 30, 2025 at 8:23 AM

#1384

NYniner85
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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by genus49:
I really hope we stay away from this guy.

No surprise to me but Tyler Warren did no testing or position drills at Penn State pro day this morning. I'll have the full story later.
— Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) March 28, 2025

I know testing numbers don't change the player or what the put on tape but I really dislike this trend of players electing to avoid testing that's been done for years.

Thats kind of the point tho..these days, players realize pre-draft testing is more for your entertainment rather than the opinions of the NFL

I mean if you're uber athletic you want to showcase it…if you're not you're gonna do whatever to not show anyone.

I still think it's a valuable resource in the process and shows the willingness to compete and train for something.

Mar 30, 2025 at 8:58 AM

#1385

adrianlesnar
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by genus49:
I really hope we stay away from this guy.

No surprise to me but Tyler Warren did no testing or position drills at Penn State pro day this morning. I'll have the full story later.
— Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) March 28, 2025

I know testing numbers don't change the player or what the put on tape but I really dislike this trend of players electing to avoid testing that's been done for years.

Thats kind of the point tho..these days, players realize pre-draft testing is more for your entertainment rather than the opinions of the NFL

I mean if you're uber athletic you want to showcase it…if you're not you're gonna do whatever to not show anyone.

I still think it's a valuable resource in the process and shows the willingness to compete and train for something.

Valuable resource to who? They show their athleticism and competitive fire, or lack thereof, everytime they put on the pads to play. They show their willingness to train to their coaches in practice, who give those reports to teams. Teams care less and less about pre-draft testing.

Mar 30, 2025 at 10:22 AM

#1386

kansasninerfan
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Harmon is gonna be the pick, possible move down depending on who's will do come up and who else is available.

If Harmon is the guy take him at 11. Don't screw around with trading back and potentially lose him. I think he would be a fantastic pick there. I know folks are high on Nolen and I wouldn't be mad at that pick if that's who they want, but I really like Harmon's fit on this team. Oregon DTs have also worked out quite well

[ Edited by kansasninerfan on Mar 30, 2025 at 10:23 AM ]

Mar 30, 2025 at 10:57 AM

#1387

NYniner85
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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Valuable resource to who? They show their athleticism and competitive fire, or lack thereof, everytime they put on the pads to play. They show their willingness to train to their coaches in practice, who give those reports to teams. Teams care less and less about pre-draft testing.

To scouts and coaches. They absolutely care, you got all of them there with stop watches. Go listen to Kyle take about the short shuttle regarding lineman.

It's all part of the process and it works both ways. I think Golden's 4.28 40 time doesn't show up on film. He's fast, so why doesn't he play fast?

There's a massive difference between playing in college vs the NFL. The film and character matter most BUT athletic ability & how you stack up against the best in the league matter regarding to what they can be at the next level.

You think Stewart is gonna be a top 20 pick based off of his film?

Mar 30, 2025 at 10:57 AM

#1388

Willisfn4life
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Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Harmon is gonna be the pick, possible move down depending on who's will do come up and who else is available.

If Harmon is the guy take him at 11. Don't screw around with trading back and potentially lose him. I think he would be a fantastic pick there. I know folks are high on Nolen and I wouldn't be mad at that pick if that's who they want, but I really like Harmon's fit on this team. Oregon DTs have also worked out quite well

I like Harmon overall. He seems best suited for an attacking scheme upfront. So, I agree that he fits what this team will want from a 3 tech.

The funny thing is this draft seems low on blue chip prospects so thats causing some guys to get overvalued and others are to get undervalued so much due to overthinking. I don't think Harmon is a guy you have to overthink. He looks like he will project to be a solid player at the next level. Id be fine with the pick. I didn't really want him at 11 but I've basically come around to if he's the pick then I'd be able to live with it.

Mar 30, 2025 at 11:02 AM

#1389

NYniner85
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Originally posted by kansasninerfan:
If Harmon is the guy take him at 11. Don't screw around with trading back and potentially lose him. I think he would be a fantastic pick there. I know folks are high on Nolen and I wouldn't be mad at that pick if that's who they want, but I really like Harmon's fit on this team. Oregon DTs have also worked out quite well

I think if Nolen and Harmon are both there, try to move back to like 14-15 if possible.

I like Nolen more but I get going after the bigger Harmon.

Mar 30, 2025 at 11:07 AM

#1390

Hysterikal
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:
If Harmon is the guy take him at 11. Don't screw around with trading back and potentially lose him. I think he would be a fantastic pick there. I know folks are high on Nolen and I wouldn't be mad at that pick if that's who they want, but I really like Harmon's fit on this team. Oregon DTs have also worked out quite well

I think if Nolen and Harmon are both there, try to move back to like 14-15 if possible.

I like Nolen more but I get going after the bigger Harmon.

I wouldn't think there's gonna be many teams looking to trade up in this draft unfortunately. Unless a guy we want to draft falls to us I don't think teams will be offering much to move up.

Mar 30, 2025 at 11:10 AM

#1391

Kolohe
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:
If Harmon is the guy take him at 11. Don't screw around with trading back and potentially lose him. I think he would be a fantastic pick there. I know folks are high on Nolen and I wouldn't be mad at that pick if that's who they want, but I really like Harmon's fit on this team. Oregon DTs have also worked out quite well

I think if Nolen and Harmon are both there, try to move back to like 14-15 if possible.

I like Nolen more but I get going after the bigger Harmon.

I'd like to see that too if both Nolen and Harmon are still there. Trade back and take whichever one is available while acquiring another pick. I'd be happy with either one and I do think one of them will be the pick.

Mar 30, 2025 at 12:18 PM

#1392

NYniner85
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I wouldn't think there's gonna be many teams looking to trade up in this draft unfortunately. Unless a guy we want to draft falls to us I don't think teams will be offering much to move up.

I could see one of McMillan/Warren/johnson or Walker being there and someone being interested…maybe sanders drops.

I'll gladly take a 3rd to move down to say 14 or 15.

Mar 30, 2025 at 12:33 PM

#1393

dlance
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Does anyone want a backup QB drafted ? Something like Pick 100 on Quinn Ewers or a 7th rounder on Brady Cook. Is this a good idea or a waste of a pick ? I'm not saying they need one of these guy I'm just using them as a place filler. I have no idea if they are good or worth drafting? No I'm not saying draft a QB at 11.

Mar 30, 2025 at 12:45 PM

#1394

Oilcan
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Originally posted by dlance:
Does anyone want a backup QB drafted ? Something like Pick 100 on Quinn Ewers or a 7th rounder on Brady Cook. Is this a good idea or a waste of a pick ? I'm not saying they need one of these guy I'm just using them as a place filler. I have no idea if they are good or worth drafting? No I'm not saying draft a QB at 11.

I'd take Kurtis Rourke in the 6th or 7th and let him develop.

[ Edited by Oilcan on Mar 30, 2025 at 12:45 PM ]

Mar 30, 2025 at 2:19 PM

#1395

adrianlesnar
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Valuable resource to who? They show their athleticism and competitive fire, or lack thereof, everytime they put on the pads to play. They show their willingness to train to their coaches in practice, who give those reports to teams. Teams care less and less about pre-draft testing.

To scouts and coaches. They absolutely care, you got all of them there with stop watches. Go listen to Kyle take about the short shuttle regarding lineman.

It's all part of the process and it works both ways. I think Golden's 4.28 40 time doesn't show up on film. He's fast, so why doesn't he play fast?

There's a massive difference between playing in college vs the NFL. The film and character matter most BUT athletic ability & how you stack up against the best in the league matter regarding to what they can be at the next level.

You think Stewart is gonna be a top 20 pick based off of his film?

Clearly, it's mattering less to scouts and coaches less and less every year.

I don't think Goldens 4.28 raised his stock in the eyes of anyone except the common fan. As you said, he doesn't play that fast, so how does it matter to his evaluation?

I'd agree there is some value to athletic testing in certain contexts....small school guy looks fast next to bums, but how fast is he really....athletic guy is raw at the game of football football, is the guy athletic enough to take the chance on developing him? But a small piece of the puzzle relegated to a small pool of players.

Yes, I think Stewart is a top 20 pick without the testing. We went into the process expecting him to be one of if not the freakiest athletes in the class. Combine counts it twice.