2024 Draft Class: IDL

Originally posted by Heroism:
Sweat is intriguing, but I don't think he's what they want in a base 2i nose. I would've said he's not a scheme fit after only seeing his weight, but this dude can move pretty well for someone that's 366. Albert Haynesworth was a fat f**ker that played in Schwartz's wide 9s. It had pros and cons, but one of the things they struggled with is that he couldn't stay in his gap on lateral plays, and it made is so easy for the OL to climb to the next level and attack the LBs.

Find someone that's 6-2, 320 pounds that's built like a f**king human kegger with wheels. They want an athlete at that position with good weight on his frame. Someone that can fire off the ball and attack while also having the brute strength and leverage to take on doubles and not be displaced from his gap. In other words, find the next DJ Jones or someone like a young Grady Jarrett.

Do you think Braden Fiske could play that role?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Do you think Braden Fiske could play that role?

Nah, I watched him the other day. A lot to like, but he's another dude you'd plug at 3 tech for us.

I've only quickly skimmed over all the IDL, but this dude stands out to me from what I saw on tape as well as athletic profile. This is the type of player they're looking for.

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Zierlein just put out his 2nd mock and had SF taking Jer'Zhan Newton. I know people will lose their mind…dude is a complete animal though. I can't see how he drops that far.

Just draft good players please.

Oh my Jer'Zhan Newton

pic.twitter.com/JSnVNmWbbt

— Anthony Cover 1 (@Pro__Ant) February 16, 2024

That'll do Jer'Zhan Newton pic.twitter.com/rPDT612tvx

— Matt (@CoachMinich) January 27, 2024

I'm obsessed with the power and flexibility Illinois DT Jer'Zhan Newton brings to the field 👀 pic.twitter.com/AFjDW2OuRO

— Joe DeLeone (@joedeleone) June 21, 2023

Illinois IDL Jer'Zhan Newton

A blend of explosion, power, and first step quickness out of the starting blocks. Consistent first level penetrator. pic.twitter.com/hIpvugPLmd

— Jordan Reid (@Jordan_Reid) July 27, 2023

I don't love drafting IDL in the first, but I wouldn't hate it as long as he's BPA. I'll check him out for sure. Just based off those clips, he looks like another natural 3 technique(kind of looks like Hargrave lol). Drafting an IDL would be okay since AA/Hargrave are old. They need to infuse the interior with youth.

That said, if they don't add another IDL thru FA or the draft whose strength is stopping the run, man, they're asking for s**tty run defense again in 2024. They were able to mask it all regular season, but it was there the whole time and reared it's ugly ass head in the playoffs.

There's no way in any universe that Newton falls to 31. There aren't 30 other teams stupid enough to pass and let him get to us.

If he dropped there probably were a bunch of QB/OT/CB/WR taken, unlikely but it could happen and any OTs the Niners wanted are likely gone already

His film is undeniable

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Sweat is intriguing, but I don't think he's what they want in a base 2i nose. I would've said he's not a scheme fit after only seeing his weight, but this dude can move pretty well for someone that's 366. Albert Haynesworth was a fat f**ker that played in Schwartz's wide 9s. It had pros and cons, but one of the things they struggled with is that he couldn't stay in his gap on lateral plays, and it made is so easy for the OL to climb to the next level and attack the LBs.

Find someone that's 6-2, 320 pounds that's built like a f**king human kegger with wheels. They want an athlete at that position with good weight on his frame. Someone that can fire off the ball and attack while also having the brute strength and leverage to take on doubles and not be displaced from his gap. In other words, find the next DJ Jones or someone like a young Grady Jarrett.

Do you think Braden Fiske could play that role?

I disagree with Hero on this one. Fiske could play that role if asked. He took on doubles a LOT at FSU and looked immovable. He's not the weight of McKinley, but he could definitely play 2i if asked, I think he'd be better than Kinlaw at it. That said -- McKinley is a better fit at 2i, sure. I can agree with that. Fiske would probably be a great player at either DT spot, IMO, and would be the perfect replacement for AA going forward.

I would have some interest in Fabian Lovett in the later rounds as a project to play that spot too.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Sweat is awesome. He's a tush push buster and pocket collapser. He's exactly what we need on the interior. 366 lbs is great. That is exactly what you want against the Eagles tush push.

To play contrarian specific to the bolded, he is often last off the ball at the snap and can struggle with pad level; two things that assuredly do not naturally counter the strengths of the tush push. Add in that tush push usually occurs on third and 4th Downs and there are real concerns about his conditioning allowing him to stay on the field beyond second down, especially as the game goes on, and im not sure he's a tush push buster.

That said, probably all a moot point because losing kelce to retirement probably ruins the effectiveness of that play more than any defender could

https://youtube.com/shorts/PxUayAmG1UA?si=4uuJ_U7yWVfu47e_

Sweat collapsing the offensive line. Crushing the Tush Push equivalent. He's bulldozing those guys like little rag dolls. You guys are under estimating him.

Ah yes, 1v1 pass rush drills, the tried and true tush push equivalent.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Sweat is awesome. He's a tush push buster and pocket collapser. He's exactly what we need on the interior. 366 lbs is great. That is exactly what you want against the Eagles tush push.

To play contrarian specific to the bolded, he is often last off the ball at the snap and can struggle with pad level; two things that assuredly do not naturally counter the strengths of the tush push. Add in that tush push usually occurs on third and 4th Downs and there are real concerns about his conditioning allowing him to stay on the field beyond second down, especially as the game goes on, and im not sure he's a tush push buster.

That said, probably all a moot point because losing kelce to retirement probably ruins the effectiveness of that play more than any defender could

https://youtube.com/shorts/PxUayAmG1UA?si=4uuJ_U7yWVfu47e_

Sweat collapsing the offensive line. Crushing the Tush Push equivalent. He's bulldozing those guys like little rag dolls. You guys are under estimating him.

Ah yes, 1v1 pass rush drills, the tried and true tush push equivalent.

He can CRUSH the pocket and collapse the Tush Push.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He can CRUSH the pocket and collapse the Tush Push.

Who gives a crap about the Tush Push? One team in the entire league runs it effectively and they just lost the guy who is the most crucial to making it work. Ultimately what they need is a dependable interior run stopper that can be viable on all three downs if needed. Sweat is not that guy.

Give me Evan Anderson in the 7th

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I disagree with Hero on this one. Fiske could play that role if asked. He took on doubles a LOT at FSU and looked immovable. He's not the weight of McKinley, but he could definitely play 2i if asked, I think he'd be better than Kinlaw at it. That said -- McKinley is a better fit at 2i, sure. I can agree with that. Fiske would probably be a great player at either DT spot, IMO, and would be the perfect replacement for AA going forward.

I would have some interest in Fabian Lovett in the later rounds as a project to play that spot too.

Just to be clear: I am a huge fan of Braden Fiske, so this isn't a knock on him. He's one of my favorite players that I've watched, and I hope the 49ers target him. They need to get younger and stronger at all their IDL spots, so he'd be a great addition to the group.

But we need to be clear about what role we're targetting for a player. I'm specifically talking about the base 2i nose role whose main job is stopping the run on base downs, short yardage and goalline situations. The role that was previously filled by DJ Jones but never replaced after he left. That base 2i spot in this scheme takes an absolute pounding because of how offenses spam double teams via duo/inside zone at the wide 9. I believe one of the reasons our IDL pass rush struggled as the season went on was due to the fact that the group was missing that base nose player to relieve guys like Armstead and Hargrave. Those two were forced to play extended snaps in base situations against the barrage of double teams, and they simply wore/broke down towards the end of the seasons. The 49ers are badly missing that DJ Jones-type player whose only job is to stuff the run and allow the other guys to stay fresh for rush situations.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I disagree with Hero on this one. Fiske could play that role if asked. He took on doubles a LOT at FSU and looked immovable. He's not the weight of McKinley, but he could definitely play 2i if asked, I think he'd be better than Kinlaw at it. That said -- McKinley is a better fit at 2i, sure. I can agree with that. Fiske would probably be a great player at either DT spot, IMO, and would be the perfect replacement for AA going forward.

I would have some interest in Fabian Lovett in the later rounds as a project to play that spot too.

Just to be clear: I am a huge fan of Braden Fiske, so this isn't a knock on him. He's one of my favorite players that I've watched, and I hope the 49ers target him. They need to get younger and stronger at all their IDL spots, so he'd be a great addition to the group.

But we need to be clear about what role we're targetting for a player. I'm specifically talking about the base 2i nose role whose main job is stopping the run on base downs, short yardage and goalline situations. The role that was previously filled by DJ Jones but never replaced after he left. That base 2i spot in this scheme takes an absolute pounding because of how offenses spam double teams via duo/inside zone at the wide 9. I believe one of the reasons our IDL pass rush struggled as the season went on was due to the fact that the group was missing that base nose player to relieve guys like Armstead and Hargrave. Those two were forced to play extended snaps in base situations against the barrage of double teams, and they simply wore/broke down towards the end of the seasons. The 49ers are badly missing that DJ Jones-type player whose only job is to stuff the run and allow the other guys to stay fresh in rush situations.

To be fair, DJ Jones was hurt CONSTANTLY too. So IDK if much changed as far as that at least.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I disagree with Hero on this one. Fiske could play that role if asked. He took on doubles a LOT at FSU and looked immovable. He's not the weight of McKinley, but he could definitely play 2i if asked, I think he'd be better than Kinlaw at it. That said -- McKinley is a better fit at 2i, sure. I can agree with that. Fiske would probably be a great player at either DT spot, IMO, and would be the perfect replacement for AA going forward.

I would have some interest in Fabian Lovett in the later rounds as a project to play that spot too.

Just to be clear: I am a huge fan of Braden Fiske, so this isn't a knock on him. He's one of my favorite players that I've watched, and I hope the 49ers target him. They need to get younger and stronger at all their IDL spots, so he'd be a great addition to the group.

But we need to be clear about what role we're targetting for a player. I'm specifically talking about the base 2i nose role whose main job is stopping the run on base downs, short yardage and goalline situations. The role that was previously filled by DJ Jones but never replaced after he left. That base 2i spot in this scheme takes an absolute pounding because of how offenses spam double teams via duo/inside zone at the wide 9. I believe one of the reasons our IDL pass rush struggled as the season went on was due to the fact that the group was missing that base nose player to relieve guys like Armstead and Hargrave. Those two were forced to play extended snaps in base situations against the barrage of double teams, and they simply wore/broke down towards the end of the seasons. The 49ers are badly missing that DJ Jones-type player whose only job is to stuff the run and allow the other guys to stay fresh for rush situations.

I also feel that they need a big unmovable object in the middle of the line so they can keep teams from running late in games and keeping the ball away from the Niners offense. That usually means a guy of about 320 or more so he can't get shoved around by the bigger guards in the league.

We should trade for DJ Jones and give him a 2-year extension to give us an out and lower his cap number.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
We should trade for DJ Jones and give him a 2-year extension to give us an out and lower his cap number.

No need to trade for him, they probably will cut him

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

We should trade for DJ Jones and give him a 2-year extension to give us an out and lower his cap number.

No need to trade for him, they probably will cut him

If they cut him he can go anywhere. If we trade for him, we can ensure we get him.

Byron Murphy, DT, Texas, is consistently the highest graded player that's available at 31 during my mock drafts.

Just curious, what would be the feeling around here if we drafted him with our first?