Realistic Trade-Up Ceiling?

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We've seemed to do pretty good with later round picks - unless it's a very good guy that slips for some reason - let's stay pat.

Agree, Shanalynch trade up history is not all that great.

I could see us seeing us trading away next years first or second if we wanted to be really aggressive in moving up.

Now that I can't see us doing.

I think the 3rds are needed. If there is any trading to be done imv it will be in the lower rounds.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We've seemed to do pretty good with later round picks - unless it's a very good guy that slips for some reason - let's stay pat.

Agree, Shanalynch trade up history is not all that great.

I could see us seeing us trading away next years first or second if we wanted to be really aggressive in moving up.

No way after 3 years of not having 1sts are they going to trade another

Originally posted by English:
Now that I can't see us doing.

I think the 3rds are needed. If there is any trading to be done imv it will be in the lower rounds.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We've seemed to do pretty good with later round picks - unless it's a very good guy that slips for some reason - let's stay pat.

Agree, Shanalynch trade up history is not all that great.

I could see us seeing us trading away next years first or second if we wanted to be really aggressive in moving up.

No way after 3 years of not having 1sts are they going to trade another

maybe, I do believe that the best deals are in the late first because it's the cheaper first rounders contracts and gives you that fifth year option, but I also never would of guessed we would trade three first round picks. Lol not a dig at lance, I just was shocked by the trade in the first place - pleasantly. I like my team aggressive like that, it's just risky.

I think it's unlikely but I could see us doing it if they really love a guy who slips.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by English:
Now that I can't see us doing.

I think the 3rds are needed. If there is any trading to be done imv it will be in the lower rounds.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We've seemed to do pretty good with later round picks - unless it's a very good guy that slips for some reason - let's stay pat.

Agree, Shanalynch trade up history is not all that great.

I could see us seeing us trading away next years first or second if we wanted to be really aggressive in moving up.

No way after 3 years of not having 1sts are they going to trade another

maybe, I do believe that the best deals are in the late first because it's the cheaper first rounders contracts and gives you that fifth year option, but I also never would of guessed we would trade three first round picks. Lol not a dig at lance, I just was shocked by the trade in the first place - pleasantly. I like my team aggressive like that, it's just risky.

I think it's unlikely but I could see us doing it if they really love a guy who slips.

Well, if a guy they really want slips then I guess anything could happen. But right now I think next year's first is as sacrosanct as you can get! Be assured though, John Lynch can always pull one out of his sleeve.

Slightly off track, there is, I guess, a chance that the team trades one of this years 3rds for a 2nd in next year's draft.

Originally posted by English:
Slightly off track, there is, I guess, a chance that the team trades one of this years 3rds for a 2nd in next year's draft.

It's obviously way too early but any idea what the quality of draft will be next year? This draft has some serious depth at DE - I'd really like to see us snag one by moving up in the second or using our third rounders.

i also wouldn't mind us trading back, like you mentioned, and get some second rounder for next year. Even if it's a swap because our second round pick will be at the end of the round. 😈

Niners needs are narrowing with signings like Feliciano being able to backup at Center and both G slots like Brunskill did.. Still need a starting caliber RT, edge rushers (x 2), TE, Safety, NT and a CB IMO. The only positions that I would trade up for is the RT, edge and maybe a TE (LaPorta). What do you think?

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Niners needs are narrowing with signings like Feliciano being able to backup at Center and both G slots like Brunskill did.. Still need a starting caliber RT, edge rushers (x 2), TE, Safety, NT and a CB IMO. The only positions that I would trade up for is the RT, edge and maybe a TE (LaPorta). What do you think?

I definitely think we are going to have to package or trade some picks to move up this year or trade for picks next year. We have done a great job so far by filling positions of need & depth on the roster!

For everyone voting to trade up to 2nd round are yall ok with giving up all three of our 3rd rounders?

Originally posted by miked1978:
For everyone voting to trade up to 2nd round are yall ok with giving up all three of our 3rd rounders?

sure we have 11 picks is my understanding which is comical.. you get guys like Castro Fields who are drafted and don't make the squad cuz their aren't enough roster spots for all these guys. I will take quality over quantity.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by miked1978:
For everyone voting to trade up to 2nd round are yall ok with giving up all three of our 3rd rounders?

sure we have 11 picks is my understanding which is comical.. you get guys like Castro Fields who are drafted and don't make the squad cuz their aren't enough roster spots for all these guys. I will take quality over quantity.

I like quality over quantity too but you can't guaranty the quality even if it's a 1st round pick. Nearly 40% of all NFL players were undrafted free agents. We see high draft picks fail all the time. Jimmy Johnson used to hoard draft picks because he believed in increasing his chances of finding real players and not just names. He didn't care if the were 1st round or 7th round picks.

I don't know if I agree with JJ but if you don't have anyone that you really want it's not a bad strategy. If you see a couple of guys that you are nearly 100% sold on then you try and trade up.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by miked1978:
For everyone voting to trade up to 2nd round are yall ok with giving up all three of our 3rd rounders?

sure we have 11 picks is my understanding which is comical.. you get guys like Castro Fields who are drafted and don't make the squad cuz their aren't enough roster spots for all these guys. I will take quality over quantity.

I like quality over quantity too but you can't guaranty the quality even if it's a 1st round pick. Nearly 40% of all NFL players were undrafted free agents. We see high draft picks fail all the time. Jimmy Johnson used to hoard draft picks because he believed in increasing his chances of finding real players and not just names. He didn't care if the were 1st round or 7th round picks.

I don't know if I agree with JJ but if you don't have anyone that you really want it's not a bad strategy. If you see a couple of guys that you are nearly 100% sold on then you try and trade up.

no guarantees in draft sure, but there is a linear correlation between round and odds of success

Trade up? Turn everything into a 5th round pick and watch the all rookie team next year be nothing but niners.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by miked1978:
For everyone voting to trade up to 2nd round are yall ok with giving up all three of our 3rd rounders?

sure we have 11 picks is my understanding which is comical.. you get guys like Castro Fields who are drafted and don't make the squad cuz their aren't enough roster spots for all these guys. I will take quality over quantity.

I like quality over quantity too but you can't guaranty the quality even if it's a 1st round pick. Nearly 40% of all NFL players were undrafted free agents. We see high draft picks fail all the time. Jimmy Johnson used to hoard draft picks because he believed in increasing his chances of finding real players and not just names. He didn't care if the were 1st round or 7th round picks.

I don't know if I agree with JJ but if you don't have anyone that you really want it's not a bad strategy. If you see a couple of guys that you are nearly 100% sold on then you try and trade up.

no guarantees in draft sure, but there is a linear correlation between round and odds of success

That's true but the odds of success drop rapidly after the 1st and even more after the 2nd. The Niners don't have a lot of recent success with early round picks. It's a crap shoot no matter where they pick.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by miked1978:
For everyone voting to trade up to 2nd round are yall ok with giving up all three of our 3rd rounders?

sure we have 11 picks is my understanding which is comical.. you get guys like Castro Fields who are drafted and don't make the squad cuz their aren't enough roster spots for all these guys. I will take quality over quantity.

I like quality over quantity too but you can't guaranty the quality even if it's a 1st round pick. Nearly 40% of all NFL players were undrafted free agents. We see high draft picks fail all the time. Jimmy Johnson used to hoard draft picks because he believed in increasing his chances of finding real players and not just names. He didn't care if the were 1st round or 7th round picks.

I don't know if I agree with JJ but if you don't have anyone that you really want it's not a bad strategy. If you see a couple of guys that you are nearly 100% sold on then you try and trade up.

no guarantees in draft sure, but there is a linear correlation between round and odds of success

I'd rather us move up into the second to get someone we love instead of someone we like in the fourth. We just don't have enough roster spots to justify drafting 10+ players, especially when a majority are back end of the draft, our team has too much talent.

id be fine with us moving into the third and fourth too, doesn't have to be the second round.