Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by All22:
This year, with so little film on everyone, Fields. Akes sense. Not my favorite pick, but he makes sense.

Still think Pitts and Mond are better.

Mond

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Ewww

Lol outside of him being black they don't play the position remotely close...it's damn near arrogant to even say he's Jackson.

Fields is stupid accurate, he layers his throws, he "can" run but is NOT close to a one read scramble QB like Jackson was in Louisville.

Agree 100%

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Yes. The entire zone wanted nathan peterman.

HA sure did... in the 4th rd all day

I almost threw up some Dalton TCU clips....but I didn't want to get the Jones truthers all tight in the pants

Yeah, i did too, but rd 4-5 as a sleeper

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Ewww

Lol outside of him being black they don't play the position remotely close...it's damn near arrogant to even say he's Jackson.

Fields is stupid accurate, he layers his throws, he "can" run but is NOT close to a one read scramble QB like Jackson was in Louisville.

Agree 100%

Just weird to even try to proclaim that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
And I dispute this because there flat out isn't much film of relatively immobile college QBs doing as well as Jones did. The last one I recall was Burrow.

First off Burrow was NOT immobile.

I said "relatively" immobile. As in, in comparison to guys who have elite mobility.

He made plenty of off script throws and his tight window throws were on a different level then Jones.

I question how much you've watched of Jones. Jones made plenty of elite throws, which is why there is buzz around him of being a surprise. He's UNCONTROVERSIABLY a top 20 pick.

You put Josh Rosen or Goff on Bama in college and they're throwing for stupid numbers all the same....Again you can find what Jones does every single yr in college. He just happened to be on a filthy roster during a weird ass Covid season.

Again, I question how much you've watched of Jones.

Lol you question it oh okay...

I've heard a lot of people ask "why isn't Mac Jones getting Joe Burrrow hype despite similar stats?"

This chart comparing the stats of both on tight window throws is a massive reason why pic.twitter.com/KCdnnRY4El

— Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) January 1, 2021

Interesting that you should say that, given your same trusted source said this:

But of course we will continue to pick and choose which stats we agree with... which once again proves that ONLY FILM matters.

I've watch plenty of all these QBs. I question if you ever watched Rosen or Goff in college.

I watched some of them. But I've watched a BUNCH of them in the NFL, and the aforementioned flaws I described are clear as day.

he was NEVER looked at as a top 3 talent until SF moved up...most people have him right around 20-40 on their big board, he's moved up because of the position he plays and whatever BS connection he has with SF, not because of talent level overall.

Yes, the position inflates his value. Because of the position he plays, he's a top 20 pick.

again there is nothing he does that stupid special. Nothing that can't be learned. He's so overrated in here it's insane. Throw him on a big10 team and no one gives a s**t about him.

I don't know how many times we have to go over this, but if what he does is so learnable, why do maybe 5-10% of QBs get appreciably better at it? As I've pointed out some ten times to you: Jimmy hasn't (he's about to be 30); CJ hasn't. Mullens hasn't. Kap didn't. Etc.

Moreover, your second claim is based on nothing other than the same flawed logic that argues that Jones throwing an accurate pass only happens because he has great WRs, when the WRs aren't magically willing the pass to be on time and with touch. You could argue the line gives him time maybe, but that's about it.

He will need elite talent all around him to be anything more than a top 10 QB. He's the definition of a system QB.

"Anything more than a top 10 QB?" Dude are you seriously here? The argument is that he'll be around a tier two or bottom tier one guy! AHAHAHAHAH! No one here, least of all me, is saying he's going to be great. Just good. He will most likely be at the Ryan Tannehill level.

Jones is a top 20 talent. Fields is a top 3 talent. Fields would be number 1 overall in most drafts. I don't know where you seem to think people are saying Jones is going to be elite. He's going to be good, because he does certain things that RARELY can be taught (maybe 1 in 20 get significantly better at them; this is not including learning the playbook and coverages, which EVERY NFL QB learns).

I wonder if this is the next all-time great QB class, like 2004 or 1984 (I think that was the year Elway was drafted).

I can't remember the last time there were this many QBs so widely regarded in one draft.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I wonder if this is the next all-time great QB class, like 2004 or 1984 (I think that was the year Elway was drafted).

I can't remember the last time there were this many QBs so widely regarded in one draft.

2017

Just watched QB21 on ESPN...Kirk Herbstreit with Fields....gotta take Fields. He's a winner.

Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I wonder if this is the next all-time great QB class, like 2004 or 1984 (I think that was the year Elway was drafted).

I can't remember the last time there were this many QBs so widely regarded in one draft.

2017

That was seen as a very weak class overall. The draft results matched it too. Only one QB went Top 5. Only three went in the 1st round.

Just watched the Clemson game highlights and this kid has an arm. He picked Clemson apart even after that hit to the ribs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Again, I question how much you've watched of Jones (just like I questioned how much you had watched of Fields several months ago, back in the Lance thread, and now suddenly Fields is your favorite ). As has been said ad naseum, having elite WRs doesn't magically make you throw an accurate pass. Jones has a Tannehill like ceiling. He's going to be a decent QB. Rosen is garbage. Rosen cannot process anywhere nearly as good as Jones. Same with Goff. Goff has a golden arm, but he's missing crucial tools.

Don't talk to me about flip flopping, I've watched you do it for all these QBs lol. I wanted Lance because prior to the trade, he was the closest shot we had to getting a legit top end talent. I would still be more than fine with him. I have fields as my QB2 plain and simple.

To be fair I hated Lance at first, then he grew on me (after I saw some interviews on him, and saw this guy has the smarts, the will, and the competitive fire to be as great as he possibly can).

Like I said you clearly didn't watch Rosen in college. Top 3 vs pressure. Top 8 vs the blitz. Stupid accurate.

Stats lie. You ought to see this, since PFF ranks Fields as the worst at tight window throws in terms of throw grade, as I linked for you in my previous post.

Amazing mechanics.

The film did show this. His best attribute. And fairly accurate.

Super smart...

The smartest QB in the NFL is probably Ryan Fitzpatrick. One of the dumbest ones the league has seen is Dan Marino. Being smart isn't what makes a good QB. It's not even what makes a good cerebral QB. Vision, instincts, and preparation do that.

former tennis champion

Don't care about this, for Rosen or anyone else. It is not remotely relevant.

. Hmmm sound familiar? Rosen wasn't lucky enough to have the best OL in the nation. Who were his WRs?? So don't say he was garbage in college, he was the same damn player as Jones...

Except Rosen sometimes struggled with getting the ball out quickly and on time. For example, here. Ball needs to be on its way out before the WR even begins to turn. It's thrown a second later, at his feet:


This is not some isolated thing, either. It got much, much worse in Arizona, but you can find it frequently enough in his college tape.

Jones doesn't have this same problem, therefore, NOT the same player.

just played for s**tty UCLA team. Rosen's arm talent is actually much better too.

I'm not so sure. I saw Rosen under throw more deep balls than Jones. He might have a stronger arm, and has a smoother, cleaner release.

when a 3rd of your passing attempts are at the LOS that will boost up anyone's accuracy numbers.

Why are you bringing up accuracy stats to me? Stats for college ball are way on the bottom of the things I look at.

When most of your passing attempts are on your first read to open WRs, that will boost up your numbers. Now I'm not saying Jones isn't accurate, I'm saying overall what he was asked to do in Bama was not some amazing thing overall. He wasn't running some hard nuanced scheme.

Sark's scheme has a lot of NFL carryover in the straight up passing game.

fields Career ADOT & ADOC was much higher than Jones, in fact Jones was last on that list compared to the rest of the top 5 QBs. That s**t plays a part in accuracy numbers being fluffed up all the same.

Again, I don't care about numbers. I say Fields is the most accurate QB because I have WATCHED him demonstrate that he is the most accurate QB (although to be fair I've watched less of Wilson and much less of Lawrence).

There's context with everything, all depends what you want to pass by and not look at I guess.

The only thing that anyone should look at is the film, that is if they don't want to be lied to.

jones simply doesn't belong in the same convo with the other 4. He's not trash or anything but he's getting propped up and it's actually sucks for him...he will have unrealistic expectations (people talking about Brady lol). He should be a bottom of the first top of the second player. NOT a top 10 talent.

He definitely belongs in the conversation with Lance, because Lance is a massive risk due to inexperience and mediocre accuracy. Of course, if Lance lives up to his physical abilities, then of course he wouldn't belong with him. But that's a big if. They can't all succeed, even though I think it is an unusually gifted class. But at least two are going to fail to live up to expectations.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by All22:
This year, with so little film on everyone, Fields. Akes sense. Not my favorite pick, but he makes sense.

Still think Pitts and Mond are better.

Mond

Lol unreal take

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
The pro day was scheduled 1 pm ET. Adam Shefter's tweet about the trade was 1:04 pm EST (10:04 PST). John Lynch was in attendance at the pro day. Unless Zach Wilson finished his pro day in one minute, and Lynch finalized the trade in another minute at the pro day, and Adam Shefter find out a minute later, then tweeted, the time line of pulling the trigger after watching Wilson throw doesn't add up.

The trade was finalized before Wilson threw.

The trade was in the works for weeks. The wait according to Breer was Miami not wanting to move all the way to 12, so they had to find a separate 3rd team...which was Philly.

It also wasn't done until Lynch could see Wilson. It doesn't matter what time it started. He was there and had the opportunity to watch him warmup, talk to medical ppl, etc.

I dont buy that it was all a coincidence that this week's in the Making trade goes down as Lynch is in Utah.

Also, I'm not really interested in deals they talked about the decision they made was that they needed #3 a d made huge efforts to get that deal done. If they were happy with any QB they could have made the deal with Philly and cut Miami out totally.

if posted already then oh well

I really want to see what Kyle can do with a QB like Fields. RG3 was close, but he was built petite with smaller joints.

Fields is just on a whole other level.

Do your job, Kyle! Coach!!