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49ers Draft Board @#13

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Do we trade #13 for more picks next year or this year?

Personally if we are trading down to the 18-22 id prefer this year.
A 2nd to move to 18 with MIA(Mia Has the capital to afford a 2nd if one of the top tackles are there at 13 to protect Tua)

2 & 4 to move down to 21 with philly or 22 with Minny. Assuming 1 of the top 3 WRs are available.
Assuming top guys (Young, Okudah, Simmons) are all long gone:

1. Trade down to 15-16 for a 3rd round pick. Pick one of the top DTs, WRs, or OTs at 15-16.

2. Wirfs, Thomas, Willis, Becton. BPA and a fit for our offense. First 3 can play G for a year. Wirfs, Thomas and Becton are the best fits at LT but I don't think Becton can play G. I'd still pick Becton at 13 and move Staley to G if he's willing to play inside. Elite tackles rarely make it to 13 and I think you'd have to pick them or trade down to draft one of the WRs.

3. Derrick Brown. Immediate contributor eating up blocks and stuffing the run.

4. Ruggs, Lamb, Jeudy. Not much difference between them in my eyes. They have different strengths. Ruggs may be the best in our offense, Lamb is the best WR prospect in my opinion, and Jeudy has the highest floor.

5. Kinlaw. Lots of potential as penetrator. Probably a better fit in our defense than Brown, but not as good a player, not as immediate an impact.

6. CJ Henderson. Only an option following a trade down. Not far behind top WRs in terms of talent, but stuck in the same draft class as Okudah so suffers in comparison. If a truly elite WR was available in this draft (Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Ja'Marr Chase), I wonder if people would be as high on Jeudy.
I sure wish all these trades/picks were as easy in the real world as they are on this board. Almost all of them make sense but I wonder if any will become a reality. If the receiver Kyle wants is gone and the OL and DL guys are gone I'm thinking the trade back might be the most likely. Then they need to find someone willing to give them a pick in the 2nd or 3rd plus a 1st rounder between 16 and 20.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
@13 for me as of now

1. Either Bama boy
2. Lamb
3. Trade down
4. Wirfs/Wills/Thomas
5. Kinlaw

yes. that's all I got.
1. Jeudy
2. Ruggs
3. Thomas or Brown
4. Kinlaw
5. Trade down
top 13 players in the draft for the 49ers imo - some obviously will be long gone, but big boards generally include everyone

1. Chase Young
2. Isaiah Simmons
3. Jerry Jeudy
4. Jeffrey Okudah
5. Derrick Brown
6. Javon Kinlaw
7. Henry Ruggs
8. Tristan Wirfs
9. Andrew Thomas
10. CeeDee Lamb
11. K'Lavon Chaisson
12. Justin Jefferson
13. Mekhi Becton/ Josh Jones
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
top 13 players in the draft for the 49ers imo - some obviously will be long gone, but big boards generally include everyone

1. Chase Young
2. Isaiah Simmons
3. Jerry Jeudy
4. Jeffrey Okudah
5. Derrick Brown
6. Javon Kinlaw
7. Henry Ruggs
8. Tristan Wirfs
9. Andrew Thomas
10. CeeDee Lamb
11. K'Lavon Chaisson
12. Justin Jefferson
13. Mekhi Becton/ Josh Jones

Pretty good! I would take Simmons off for us.

1. Chase Young
2. Jeff Okudah
3. Tristan Wirfs
4. Jerry Jeudy
5. Derrick Brown
6. Henry Ruggs
7. Andrew Thomas
8. CJ Henderson
I just dont know if "trading down" is a great strategy where you try to get on the phone and coerce other teams to take yours if the several kids you wanted aren't there. Aren't you giving the team with the lower picks a big advantage?

The way I see it, You have the higher picks. You should generally be fielding calls and considering the offers that have been made for YOUR pick. And so by that point, the offers you have are the offers you have.

So just kinda stating what should be obvious here, but, there's a difference between what you want to see happen and what you list as a strategy. I mean a late 1st and a 3rd aren't just sitting somewhere in a pawn shop you just go and randomly exchange for. There's only 31 other teams and they have to be dying to get something you're trying like hell to get away from,...which is kinda ironic.

Now for FULL ROUND MOCKS,....I know these kind of trade scenarios have gained alot of traction in mock drafts we see listed now compared to past ones where all 32 picks just generically stood still.

These types of trade scenarios are more reasonable to project and have a little fun with reasonably,....because you're including mock trades where you've listed all the previous picks teams before you have taken, what team the current team is trading with and the compensation they are getting, who the team they traded picked, et. al.

There are great players to be had @ pick #13. If you want it,...make me an offer I cant refuse,...otherwise, I'm full go.

If teams aren't lined up with offers for it,...I just hope our staff has one of those great players scouted and picked out.
[ Edited by random49er on Mar 30, 2020 at 3:23 PM ]
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Do we need a bunch of depth players?

Or

Do we need playmakers?

I think we could find two playmakers at # 13 & probably #31. I don't think we need a bunch of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round players. Just look at Lynch's good picks, they seem to come from rounds 1, 5, 6, and 7.

that is exactly what we have now, with a bonus in the first round.

100%. This is not exactly a rebuilding project we have on our hands right now.
Originally posted by 60sFan:
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
top 13 players in the draft for the 49ers imo - some obviously will be long gone, but big boards generally include everyone

1. Chase Young
2. Isaiah Simmons
3. Jerry Jeudy
4. Jeffrey Okudah
5. Derrick Brown
6. Javon Kinlaw
7. Henry Ruggs
8. Tristan Wirfs
9. Andrew Thomas
10. CeeDee Lamb
11. K'Lavon Chaisson
12. Justin Jefferson
13. Mekhi Becton/ Josh Jones

Pretty good! I would take Simmons off for us.

1. Chase Young
2. Jeff Okudah
3. Tristan Wirfs
4. Jerry Jeudy
5. Derrick Brown
6. Henry Ruggs
7. Andrew Thomas
8. CJ Henderson

it's a moot point because he won't be there, but the reason why I have Simmons #2 is because we have to play Wilson and Murray twice a year, and if we're in the SB, there's a good chance we're playing against Lamar or Mahommes ... and he would give us another playmaker who Saleh could get creative with

Will be interesting if the Redskins take Tua, or someone moves up to take him before the Dolphins. The Dolphins have the draft capital to go get their QB target, but what if they have Love rated higher than Herbert? They draft BPA at 5, Herbert goes to the Chargers or maybe Jags. And the Dolphins use their draft capital to move up into the top 13, or at 13 to select Love, thinking that he wouldn't be there at 18. Certainly if you were drafting after 18 and were targeting Love and saw all that unfold you would know the Dolphins are going to take him at 18 and would have to move in front of them. We've seen crazier things happen, ala Daniel Jones last year. But we have been hypothesizing who might fall to 13, in part thinking who would go before 13, and I don't think I am completely off my rocker to think that Love's name has a slight chance to be called in the top 13.
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Originally posted by random49er:
I just dont know if "trading down" is a great strategy where you try to get on the phone and coerce other teams to take yours if the several kids you wanted aren't there. Aren't you giving the team with the lower picks a big advantage?

The way I see it, You have the higher picks. You should generally be fielding calls and considering the offers that have been made for YOUR pick. And so by that point, the offers you have are the offers you have.

So just kinda stating what should be obvious here, but, there's a difference between what you want to see happen and what you list as a strategy. I mean a late 1st and a 3rd aren't just sitting somewhere in a pawn shop you just go and randomly exchange for. There's only 31 other teams and they have to be dying to get something you're trying like hell to get away from,...which is kinda ironic.

Now for FULL ROUND MOCKS,....I know these kind of trade scenarios have gained alot of traction in mock drafts we see listed now compared to past ones where all 32 picks just generically stood still.

These types of trade scenarios are more reasonable to project and have a little fun with reasonably,....because you're including mock trades where you've listed all the previous picks teams before you have taken, what team the current team is trading with and the compensation they are getting, who the team they traded picked, et. al.

There are great players to be had @ pick #13. If you want it,...make me an offer I cant refuse,...otherwise, I'm full go.

If teams aren't lined up with offers for it,...I just hope our staff has one of those great players scouted and picked out.

Great post, and to the last line, they will
I wasn't suggesting we wait until draft night and call other teams to trade down from 13.

The team's strategy may be to let other teams know we're open for business, wait for offers, and if no one gives us a reasonable trade, pick the guy at the top of the board.

I think we'll be more open than usual to trading the pick because we have needs at WR, DT, and OT (and CB in case we trade far enough back to miss out on all those prospects). Other teams with needs at only one or two of those positions may be more desperate to trade up because the players they want are less likely to be there at their pick.

The Bucs may desperately want a LT at 14 to protect Brady - if a guy is on the board that they like, they may swap picks with us (letting us take a WR and pick up the extra pick). To get an elite tackle prospect, they may be willing to give up a 3rd or 4th round pick (76, 117). They won't want to pick a WR at 14 since they have Evans and Godwin and they don't really need a DT either (Suh, Vea, Gholston on the DL).

Denver may want a WR at 15 and see two WRs already off the board before pick 13. They don't need an OT.

The Falcons and Cowboys at 16 and 17 may trade up for Chaisson given the lack of quality edge prospects in this draft class. The Cowboys may try to jump in front of the Falcons to pick him or the Falcons may jump up to ensure they get him.

An offer we can't refuse may look bad relative to the trade value chart if we're truly indifferent between prospects that are sitting there at 13. Best case from a trade down perspective may be that only one OT is left so we can trade down one spot and pick the WR we want.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Wirfs to me is McGlinchey 2.0 A dominant run blocker that is shaky as a pass blocker and really best suited to play on the right side. Thomas IMO is the best all around tackle, a guy who can run and pass block at a high level and could fit either on the left or the right side in the NFL. I also think you could easily move him to guard for a season or until Staley retires and then have him be a long term starter at left tackle.

He is the only OL I could see at #13. Lot of mocks have him gone by #13.

IMO, the development of Brunskill puts WR in play for sure at #13. Go IOL at #31 or short trade back.

Need playmakers.
Usually theres a qb in every draft that gets super overhyped before the draft and goes top 15 lets hope this year there is as many as possible so we can get a steal of a player
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