Javon Kinlaw-DT-South Carolina

Originally posted by dhp318:
Why wasn't this guy more productive in college? I know the SEC is tough, so you don't necessarily expect inflated stats, but I'm struck by the difference in tackles and sacks between him and Buckner's last year at Oregon.

When I watched him play against Alabama, he made big plays but also got completely taken out of a ton of plays as well. His on field impact was totally boom/bust.

Well Bama let him bull rush if it took him out of the play. They also man handled him a few times when they needed too....

I think the biggest issue is he is one dimensional right now, but its a REALLY good dimension.At his best, he pins back his ears and penetrates. Its a lot like early Stubby.

Rarely does a team draft a finished product, this guy has a ton of room to grow.

Considering his size and strength he was good in college, just not great. When you look at him, you would think he would have had his way more often... It think that really just points towards him being an under developed prospect.

It was a good pick up, and i think he will be a better pro then college player. He will have time to sit back and learn, with fantastic players around him.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I saved these two plays when I watched his game vs Missouri. This type of get off and explosiveness for a dude this size is f**king crazy. Defo and AA can move, but not like this. Now, imagine him in this scheme where he's going to be given one job: attack.

Lol man this kid is so raw and still dominating players. He is bull rushing players with his head down, this kid coached up is going to be a beast.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by Heroism:

I saved these two plays when I watched his game vs Missouri. This type of get off and explosiveness for a dude this size is f**king crazy. Defo and AA can move, but not like this. Now, imagine him in this scheme where he's going to be given one job: attack.

Lol man this kid is so raw and still dominating players. He is bull rushing players with his head down, this kid coached up is going to be a beast.

Wilson, Goff, and Murray: "f**k! Seriously!?"

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by dhp318:

Why wasn't this guy more productive in college? I know the SEC is tough, so you don't necessarily expect inflated stats, but I'm struck by the difference in tackles and sacks between him and Buckner's last year at Oregon.

When I watched him play against Alabama, he made big plays but also got completely taken out of a ton of plays as well. His on field impact was totally boom/bust.

Well Bama let him bull rush if it took him out of the play. They also man handled him a few times when they needed too....

I think the biggest issue is he is one dimensional right now, but its a REALLY good dimension.At his best, he pins back his ears and penetrates. Its a lot like early Stubby.

Rarely does a team draft a finished product, this guy has a ton of room to grow.

Considering his size and strength he was good in college, just not great. When you look at him, you would think he would have had his way more often... It think that really just points towards him being an under developed prospect.

It was a good pick up, and i think he will be a better pro then college player. He will have time to sit back and learn, with fantastic players around him.

South Carolina was a 5-7 team, they have no one on that team and teams pretty much said do whatever is possible to stop Kinlaw. Dude was their only dline man worth a damn so of course he's going to get doubled and tripled. But he pretty much beat UGA on his own, yes he's not a finished product and that's what's scary on top of that the talent that going to surround him

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Well Bama let him bull rush if it took him out of the play. They also man handled him a few times when they needed too....

I think the biggest issue is he is one dimensional right now, but its a REALLY good dimension.At his best, he pins back his ears and penetrates. Its a lot like early Stubby.

Rarely does a team draft a finished product, this guy has a ton of room to grow.

Considering his size and strength he was good in college, just not great. When you look at him, you would think he would have had his way more often... It think that really just points towards him being an under developed prospect.

It was a good pick up, and i think he will be a better pro then college player. He will have time to sit back and learn, with fantastic players around him.

let him bull rush and f**k s**t up. SC didn't have Bosa/Ford on the ends AND AA next to Kinlaw.

I think him and Jones will rotate a lot this yr. That's a lot of explosiveness up the gut.

At this pt Thomas need to be moved for anything. Give me a washed up 1st rd pick swap at a different position.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I think him and Jones will rotate a lot this yr. .

I think a lot of people are missing this point. We have kept our great rotation of dline intact, that's pretty important.

Man. I wish the niners kept Buckner and draft this dude. But without Buckner, Kinlaw would not be a possibility.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
South Carolina was a 5-7 team, they have no one on that team and teams pretty much said do whatever is possible to stop Kinlaw. Dude was their only dline man worth a damn so of course he's going to get doubled and tripled. But he pretty much beat UGA on his own, yes he's not a finished product and that's what's scary on top of that the talent that going to surround him

Also, dude dominated in the Senior Bowl practices, so he's not some scrub.

At the same time, our two picks both couldn't participate in the Senior Bowl for medical reasons. Is it too much to ask for clean medicals?

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
South Carolina was a 5-7 team, they have no one on that team and teams pretty much said do whatever is possible to stop Kinlaw. Dude was their only dline man worth a damn so of course he's going to get doubled and tripled. But he pretty much beat UGA on his own, yes he's not a finished product and that's what's scary on top of that the talent that going to surround him

You can watch game tape after game tape after game tape of Kinlaw's snaps.

Yes he suffered from some double teams, as does ALL interior linemen.He was hardly double teamed every snap, and there are tons of snaps he is singled and got stood straight up and stopped. I have yet to see a triple team. I don't see any tape of teams saying to hell with the other guys, we stop Kinlaw at all cost. He is a good player, glad we got him....but he is a bit of a one trick pony right now and his product suffered from it. There is no need cover for his lack of on field production it will come.

We can walk away from Kinlaw being a one man team talk.....that is a tad far from the truth. Statistically Kinlaw was not the most productive lineman on that team. He was 3rd on the DL for tackles, he was 3rd on the d-line for tackles for loss and tied for first on sacks. Kingsley Enagbare was a 5 star recruit that Bama, Auburn, and ND went after. You might hear his name again next year. He had 7 tackles for loss and 4 sacks from the weak side this year. Granted I only know his name from Recruiting season last year....but he is far from a scrub. It would not shock me in the least if he ends up in the NFL.

All and all.....he is going to have to learn to live with and work around double teams. Its not going away, and double teams in NFL are going to significantly harder to deal with then double teams in college.

I think he is going to be just fine, and i expect he will be a better pro then college player. I don't think he ever had the level of coaching he will get on the 49ers.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I like Kinlaw and I get keeping the defense stacked but we're basically aren't any better than we were the day after we lost the SB.

It's a good thing we were good enough already to get to the Superbowl then

Which if it wasn't for Jimmy making dumb decisions on those three drives in the 4th quarter and not coming through in the clutch like consistently had up unitl that point, we are SB champs.

We got Kinlaw and Aiyuk and replaced well Buckner and Sanders.

All so we can now run it back and give Jimmy another shot to come through and get is #6.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
let him bull rush and f**k s**t up. SC didn't have Bosa/Ford on the ends AND AA next to Kinlaw.

I think him and Jones will rotate a lot this yr. That's a lot of explosiveness up the gut.

At this pt Thomas need to be moved for anything. Give me a washed up 1st rd pick swap at a different position.

I would just as well hold on to Thomas and ride out his contract year production and let him walk.

I would one gap Kinlaw the way the 49ers use rookie Stubby and let him cause chaos inside on passing downs.

He will grow and get better over time, but there is no need to bog him down with lots of read and react stuff. Let him do his thing.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
let him bull rush and f**k s**t up. SC didn't have Bosa/Ford on the ends AND AA next to Kinlaw.

I think him and Jones will rotate a lot this yr. That's a lot of explosiveness up the gut.

At this pt Thomas need to be moved for anything. Give me a washed up 1st rd pick swap at a different position.

I would just as well hold on to Thomas and ride out his contract year production and let him walk.

I would one gap Kinlaw the way the 49ers use rookie Stubby and let him cause chaos inside on passing downs.

He will grow and get better over time, but there is no need to bog him down with lots of read and react stuff. Let him do his thing.

May not be a bad idea given some of the injury issues the 49ers had with their rotational D Linemen last year

Originally posted by ChicoCorrales:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I think him and Jones will rotate a lot this yr. .

I think a lot of people are missing this point. We have kept our great rotation of dline intact, that's pretty important.

This is the truth. And if we have learned anything from drafting a ton of D-lineman in the 1st is that they can take a year or two to figure it out. Keeping a strong ration where he can play fresh and to his strengths until he matures will hopefully pay off big.

Originally posted by 49er4life:
This is the truth. And if we have learned anything from drafting a ton of D-lineman in the 1st is that they can take a year or two to figure it out. Keeping a strong ration where he can play fresh and to his strengths until he matures will hopefully pay off big.

I dunno, D-linemen don't take any longer than any other position besides RB. Aldon Smith and Nick Bosa both started demolishing people their rookie seasons. Buckner was good his rookie season too.

Apparently Kinlaw is requesting number 99.