What's your plan to fix the Secondary? | Page 2

jacklegniner · 2019-04-16T16:08:31-07:00

We all know our secondary is terrible. In a recent article from ESPN, it noted that "the Niners managed just two interceptions, worst in the league, and gave up 35 passing touchdowns and a 105.4 passer rating, both of which ranked 31st in the league." The Niners have talked a lot about adding closers this offseason. Guys who can finish. We added Dee Ford and Kwon. We will most likely get Bosa (fingers crossed) in the draft. So the front 7 with Bosa, Buck, solly, ford, etc, sound pretty solid on paper. The middle sounds a lot better as well with Kwon and Warner in year 2, etc. The secondary has no probowl type talent beyond Sherman. We added Verrett on a prove it deal and that's a good signing but he also is just another guy like the many we have that can't stay healthy. A good pass rush will help the secondary so we get a boost from that for sure. But pass rush and coverage kind of work together. We need better players to cover the wrs for just a half second longer so we can get to the QB and create sacks which will create INTS and TOs. Bosa seems like a lock in the first round. Most mocks on the webzone have us taking a wr in the 2nd and the experts do as well. So that means for most, we don't even address the secondary until after the 2nd round pick. So what's the plan webzone? How do we address this huge weakness on our team? We have all witnessed the numerous games that the Niners were winning or hanging in there, only to see the opposing team just lite up our secondary in the 4th Qtr. Over the past 2 seasons we have lost 11 games by 5 points or fewer. 6 of those games were last year. We added guys in Free Agency and with D Ford and hopefully Bosa, we will have the pressure we have been looking for. But I'm afraid that if we don't add talent in the draft to our secondary, we will just keep losing games in the 4th QtR. So again, what's your plan to address this or do you not think it's an area of concern? What Pick/Round would you use on what player to help our League Worst Secondary?

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:58 PM

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jacklegniner
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
I would wait til next year.

At CB can Verrett stay healthy?

Can Spoon keep progressing?

Can Moore be a CB? We moving him back to FS?

Do we have a starting safety on our roster? Where can we play Tartt? Harris our SS?

I say this year focus on solidifying the defensive front 7. And weapons on offense (2 WRs & a TE2)

Next year we can focus on secondary and OLINE. This gives us a year to see if we have ANY quality DBs we can move forward with.

We cant fix all of this in one year. DL/WR/TE is deep this year tske advantage of it

Yup agree with this

Don't necessarily disagree. I just fear we keep losing close games because I don't really see guys in our secondary that "have it."

A couple of years ago I wanted us to draft Hooker. He went to Indy and I believe is playing well. Last year I wanted Derwin James. Guy turned into a stud from week one. Everyone seemed to say let's see what we have in Tartt. Or Colbert had a really good rookie season so let's see how he progresses. It feels like we are still stuck with the same type of guys.

In the offseason we all wanted ET3. I'm fine that the Niners passed on him but I hope that they have some plan to fix the secondary.

Just like when Saleh came in and we immediately addressed our terrible run defense.

Apr 16, 2019 at 5:01 PM

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Originally posted by jacklegniner:
Don't necessarily disagree. I just fear we keep losing close games because I don't really see guys in our secondary that "have it."

A couple of years ago I wanted us to draft Hooker. He went to Indy and I believe is playing well. Last year I wanted Derwin James. Guy turned into a stud from week one. Everyone seemed to say let's see what we have in Tartt. Or Colbert had a really good rookie season so let's see how he progresses. It feels like we are still stuck with the same type of guys.

In the offseason we all wanted ET3. I'm fine that the Niners passed on him but I hope that they have some plan to fix the secondary.

Just like when Saleh came in and we immediately addressed our terrible run defense.

Oh I think we need to upgrade secondary, I don't really think this draft is overall great at DB this yr.

Apr 16, 2019 at 5:01 PM

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Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
I don't think anything is wrong with our secondary other than youth and health. Many players are either still developing or had their development slowed because of injury. An improved pass rush will also do wonders for this unit.

when healthy. aside from sherman. they were stumbling around like the keystone cops. no our secondary is putrid. aside from sherman

Yeah Our secondary makes me want to throw up. Not hating on them. I really wanted Colbert and Tartt and Witherspoon, etc. to develop more. I just don't know though. It seems like the 4th QTR comes around and the opposing team just picks on anyone they want to other than Sherman.

Apr 16, 2019 at 5:03 PM

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jacklegniner
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
Don't necessarily disagree. I just fear we keep losing close games because I don't really see guys in our secondary that "have it."

A couple of years ago I wanted us to draft Hooker. He went to Indy and I believe is playing well. Last year I wanted Derwin James. Guy turned into a stud from week one. Everyone seemed to say let's see what we have in Tartt. Or Colbert had a really good rookie season so let's see how he progresses. It feels like we are still stuck with the same type of guys.

In the offseason we all wanted ET3. I'm fine that the Niners passed on him but I hope that they have some plan to fix the secondary.

Just like when Saleh came in and we immediately addressed our terrible run defense.

Oh I think we need to upgrade secondary, I don't really think this draft is overall great at DB this yr.

There's only a handful of guys that I like this year but unfortunately they are all projected in the late 1st, early 2nd and maybe some survive to the early 3rd. But the Niners have too many needs and only 6 picks.

Apr 16, 2019 at 5:17 PM

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Originally posted by jacklegniner:
There's only a handful of guys that I like this year but unfortunately they are all projected in the late 1st, early 2nd and maybe some survive to the early 3rd. But the Niners have too many needs and only 6 picks.

I agree about very little that i like.

With all that i said about waiting for a DB .

If Joejuan Williams make it to the 4th im all over it. I wouldn't be mad at him in the 3rd. When pressing dude is a baller

Watch him pressing versus AJ Brown. I know Brown had 200+ in that game. Very little versus JJ and even less when pressed.

Apr 16, 2019 at 5:59 PM

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Originally posted by jacklegniner:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
I don't think anything is wrong with our secondary other than youth and health. Many players are either still developing or had their development slowed because of injury. An improved pass rush will also do wonders for this unit.

when healthy. aside from sherman. they were stumbling around like the keystone cops. no our secondary is putrid. aside from sherman
Yeah Our secondary makes me want to throw up. Not hating on them. I really wanted Colbert and Tartt and Witherspoon, etc. to develop more. I just don't know though. It seems like the 4th QTR comes around and the opposing team just picks on anyone they want to other than Sherman.

Y'all are being way too tough on a bunch of young guys who basically got exposed because we gave QB's all day to pick them apart. It also doesn't help when someone new is hurt every week and no one can get comfortable.

Apr 16, 2019 at 6:03 PM

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genus49
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Originally posted by frenchmov:
Better pass rush

This...

Apr 16, 2019 at 6:23 PM

#23

ChaunceyGardner
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by jacklegniner:
There's only a handful of guys that I like this year but unfortunately they are all projected in the late 1st, early 2nd and maybe some survive to the early 3rd. But the Niners have too many needs and only 6 picks.

I agree about very little that i like.

With all that i said about waiting for a DB .

If Joejuan Williams make it to the 4th im all over it. I wouldn't be mad at him in the 3rd. When pressing dude is a baller

Watch him pressing versus AJ Brown. I know Brown had 200+ in that game. Very little versus JJ and even less when pressed.

I agree, there may just be a good FS at our 3rd round pick and some boundary CBs 4-7

Apr 16, 2019 at 6:28 PM

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KamLeon
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To get interceptions?

Apr 16, 2019 at 6:31 PM

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Phoenix49ers
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The Karate Kid Part III method. Just hit the quarterback a whole lot.

"If a quarterback can't breathe, he can't throw!"

Apr 16, 2019 at 6:40 PM

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KamLeon
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The Karate Kid Part III method. Just hit the quarterback a whole lot.

"If a quarterback can't breathe, he can't throw!"

Lol, so freakin creepy, haven't seen this in years, thnx

Apr 16, 2019 at 7:02 PM

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RDB4216
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Colbert changed his number back...that should fix everything!

Apr 16, 2019 at 7:35 PM

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Originally posted by Nastastical:
Y'all are being way too tough on a bunch of young guys who basically got exposed because we gave QB's all day to pick them apart. It also doesn't help when someone new is hurt every week and no one can get comfortable.

True that! They have back to back third rounders you have to let them play this year to see if they are worth it. if this year is the same as last then you cut bait and reboot through the draft and free agency.

Apr 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM

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bigwads
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Earl Thomas?

Apr 16, 2019 at 7:59 PM

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theninermaniac
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Dee Ford is gonna help. So will Jason Verrett.