What's your plan to fix the Secondary?

jacklegniner · 2019-04-16T16:08:31-07:00

We all know our secondary is terrible. In a recent article from ESPN, it noted that "the Niners managed just two interceptions, worst in the league, and gave up 35 passing touchdowns and a 105.4 passer rating, both of which ranked 31st in the league." The Niners have talked a lot about adding closers this offseason. Guys who can finish. We added Dee Ford and Kwon. We will most likely get Bosa (fingers crossed) in the draft. So the front 7 with Bosa, Buck, solly, ford, etc, sound pretty solid on paper. The middle sounds a lot better as well with Kwon and Warner in year 2, etc. The secondary has no probowl type talent beyond Sherman. We added Verrett on a prove it deal and that's a good signing but he also is just another guy like the many we have that can't stay healthy. A good pass rush will help the secondary so we get a boost from that for sure. But pass rush and coverage kind of work together. We need better players to cover the wrs for just a half second longer so we can get to the QB and create sacks which will create INTS and TOs. Bosa seems like a lock in the first round. Most mocks on the webzone have us taking a wr in the 2nd and the experts do as well. So that means for most, we don't even address the secondary until after the 2nd round pick. So what's the plan webzone? How do we address this huge weakness on our team? We have all witnessed the numerous games that the Niners were winning or hanging in there, only to see the opposing team just lite up our secondary in the 4th Qtr. Over the past 2 seasons we have lost 11 games by 5 points or fewer. 6 of those games were last year. We added guys in Free Agency and with D Ford and hopefully Bosa, we will have the pressure we have been looking for. But I'm afraid that if we don't add talent in the draft to our secondary, we will just keep losing games in the 4th QtR. So again, what's your plan to address this or do you not think it's an area of concern? What Pick/Round would you use on what player to help our League Worst Secondary?

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:10 PM

frenchmov
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Better pass rush

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:18 PM

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I think the team realizes that you cannot "fix" every problem in one off-season and that perhaps CB is not a strength in this draft. I think along with acknowledging these things, they also are hoping a few things together make the difference.

1. They see promise in both Spoon and T-Moore. This year as opposed to last, they will really be competing against each other to start. Not just handing the job like they did last offseason to Spoon.
2. Adding a high upside young vet in Verrett at minimum pushes these guys. If we get lucky, he stays healthy and we got a steal and a starter at any CB spot.
3. Improving the pass rush will speed up the decision making from opposing QB's. At worst, it's less time the CB's have to cover. At best, it creates errant throws that are a DB's best friend.
4. They hope some stability at the S spots helps communication.*
5. Hope that a second year for Warner helps communication

* I think 4 is the one spot they can address. Ward is a bridge, and hopefully the replacement comes this offseason. If not, at least it give Colbert some competition.

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:18 PM

zonkers
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Hope woods gets it right.

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:19 PM

krizay
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I would wait til next year.

At CB can Verrett stay healthy?

Can Spoon keep progressing?

Can Moore be a CB? We moving him back to FS?

Do we have a starting safety on our roster? Where can we play Tartt? Harris our SS?

I say this year focus on solidifying the defensive front 7. And weapons on offense (2 WRs & a TE2)

Next year we can focus on secondary and OLINE. This gives us a year to see if we have ANY quality DBs we can move forward with.

We cant fix all of this in one year. DL/WR/TE is deep this year tske advantage of it

[ Edited by krizay on Apr 16, 2019 at 4:21 PM ]

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:22 PM

NYniner85
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Originally posted by krizay:
I would wait til next year.

At CB can Verrett stay healthy?

Can Spoon keep progressing?

Can Moore be a CB? We moving him back to FS?

Do we have a starting safety on our roster? Where can we play Tartt? Harris our SS?

I say this year focus on solidifying the defensive front 7. And weapons on offense (2 WRs & a TE2)

Next year we can focus on secondary and OLINE. This gives us a year to see if we have ANY quality DBs we can move forward with.

We cant fix all of this in one year. DL/WR/TE is deep this year tske advantage of it

Yup agree with this

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:27 PM

krizay
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Originally posted by krizay:
I would wait til next year.

At CB can Verrett stay healthy?

Can Spoon keep progressing?

Can Moore be a CB? We moving him back to FS?

Do we have a starting safety on our roster? Where can we play Tartt? Harris our SS?

I say this year focus on solidifying the defensive front 7. And weapons on offense (2 WRs & a TE2)

Next year we can focus on secondary and OLINE. This gives us a year to see if we have ANY quality DBs we can move forward with.

We cant fix all of this in one year. DL/WR/TE is deep this year tske advantage of it

With this said, if we trade down from 2 and a 3rd rounder is involved i would trade the 3rd rounder to Minny for one of Rhodes or Waynes

One or the other seems to be available via trade

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:28 PM

Waterbear
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Edit: what's wrong with me..

[ Edited by Waterbear on Apr 16, 2019 at 4:31 PM ]

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:35 PM

krizay
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Edit: what's wrong with me..

Chimera?

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:43 PM

m_brockalexander
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
I would wait til next year.

At CB can Verrett stay healthy?

Can Spoon keep progressing?

Can Moore be a CB? We moving him back to FS?

Do we have a starting safety on our roster? Where can we play Tartt? Harris our SS?

I say this year focus on solidifying the defensive front 7. And weapons on offense (2 WRs & a TE2)

Next year we can focus on secondary and OLINE. This gives us a year to see if we have ANY quality DBs we can move forward with.

We cant fix all of this in one year. DL/WR/TE is deep this year tske advantage of it

Yup agree with this

Niners could add one FS and one boundary corner this year to compete with all the bodies they have accumulated in the past offseason and previous drafts. Other than that, starting with the pass rush and better weapons in the red zone is a good idea.

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:44 PM

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I don't think anything is wrong with our secondary other than youth and health. Many players are either still developing or had their development slowed because of injury. An improved pass rush will also do wonders for this unit.

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM

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Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Niners could add one FS and one boundary corner this year to compete with all the bodies they have accumulated in the past offseason and previous drafts. Other than that, starting with the pass rush and better weapons in the red zone is a good idea.

I wouldn't mind any secondary players from 6th on.

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:49 PM

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Originally posted by frenchmov:
Better pass rush

Oversimplification in my opinion.. you get a good rookie like savage in round 3, hell yes. start him ,.savage is probably better than anyone we have now. do not let ward see the field, draft a corner late in the draft but really. after getting a elite rookie safety. we are back to hoping the new guy will be a play. hope sherman will be sherman and hope at least one of our corners on our team turns out to be a player,. i have no confidence in any safety we have, maybe look for a safety in free agency if you can find a decent one out there as the off season goes

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:50 PM

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cciowa
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Originally posted by Nastastical:
I don't think anything is wrong with our secondary other than youth and health. Many players are either still developing or had their development slowed because of injury. An improved pass rush will also do wonders for this unit.

when healthy. aside from sherman. they were stumbling around like the keystone cops. no our secondary is putrid. aside from sherman

Apr 16, 2019 at 4:52 PM

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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Better pass rush

Oversimplification in my opinion.. you get a good rookie like savage in round 3, hell yes. start him ,.savage is probably better than anyone we have now. do not let ward see the field, draft a corner late in the draft but really. after getting a elite rookie safety. we are back to hoping the new guy will be a play. hope sherman will be sherman and hope at least one of our corners on our team turns out to be a player,. i have no confidence in any safety we have, maybe look for a safety in free agency if you can find a decent one out there as the off season goes

There's no way Savage will be there in the third. In fact I think he could be gone at 36. I thought I saw that he had the most pre draft visits of any player so far?

Guy is rising like crazy.

I would start Colbert, backup Exum and that's about it. I don't think Moore will be that great Tbh.