Williams vs. Allen

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Originally posted by Tylerawiseguy:
I like both players and I think both will be great in the NFL . The other day matt barrows was saying that the niners wont even consider draft QW because they don't want to move deforest buckner from his spot they want to keep him at 3-tech and that they have no interest in draft QW to play him at NT . Robert saleh just isn't interested doing that . This guy on knbr today was saying that he thinks that josh allen is gonna be a star and he looks like a NBA player and athlete on the field and that they don't make them like him anymore he is all muscle and he is mature and the niners will fall in love with him .

But Salah already called him out for missing senior bowl

Saleh's had trouble executing the smokescreen scheme.

I think we have to pick Allen. Our roster calls for it. I think QW is the better player, but DT isn't a position of need.

Our defense really isn't terrible. Statistically, they were good in areas. The huge void is turnovers and that begins with a pass rush.

I'm thinking Ziggy Ansah comes cheaper than expected and there's some familiarity with him and the front office. If we get someone like that, then it may change my opinion, but at face value, you have to take the guy that can start at LEO or SAM. We need to put a bandaid on that part of our roster.

Originally posted by krizay:

To me this is why i dont really want either. Though wouldn't throw a vernon Davis type fit if we selected either as well.

People are talking about QW as a NT. I dont think he is a NT in our defense. Just like i dont think Allen is a true LEO.

Hero makes a VERY compelling case for Allen. Makes you think "DUDE!!, we need Allen". Unfortunately, i think we all know that's not happening.

Although we took a FS and turned him into a CB and a CB into a FS. A DT to play LEO. So i can see us drafting one of these guys and expecting it to work seamlessly.

QW can play NT And regardless we will be playing in sub more anyway. It's a redundant pick and we have a lot of youth on the interior. He's a baller so wouldn't be awful end of the day.

No one is talking about playing Allen at LEO, he would be a SAM in base but like Hero stated he has the ability to take a RB or TE out of the game and gives Saleh more flexibility. He will be a subpackage edge rusher who would be our speed rusher (which we're looking for). They would still have to upgrade the LEO spot and that could be something that we could possibly get in FA. Graham/Ziggy could realistically fill that role.

Originally posted by strickac:

I think we have to pick Allen. Our roster calls for it. I think QW is the better player, but DT isn't a position of need.

Our defense really isn't terrible. Statistically, they were good in areas. The huge void is turnovers and that begins with a pass rush.

I'm thinking Ziggy Ansah comes cheaper than expected and there's some familiarity with him and the front office. If we get someone like that, then it may change my opinion, but at face value, you have to take the guy that can start at LEO or SAM. We need to put a bandaid on that part of our roster.

What happens if you sign Ziggy and Bosa is sitting there at 2?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

What happens if you sign Ziggy and Bosa is sitting there at 2?

You unplug the phone, run the card up to the podium, start printing jerseys and schedule the press conference.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

What happens if you sign Ziggy and Bosa is sitting there at 2?

Seriously though, you pick Bosa. I think Ziggy needs to be used as a pass rush specialist. Early on at least, he needs to be on a limited snap count to keep him healthy.

A trade back appeals to me, but it would have to be a monster trade to pass on Bosa.

Originally posted by strickac:

Seriously though, you pick Bosa. I think Ziggy needs to be used as a pass rush specialist. Early on at least, he needs to be on a limited snap count to keep him healthy.

A trade back appeals to me, but it would have to be a monster trade to pass on Bosa.

So what you're gonna pay Ziggy $15 million a yr to not be a 3 down player? I don't think so

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What happens if you sign Ziggy and Bosa is sitting there at 2?

Bosa to big end(like his brother), Ziggy to Leo.

Originally posted by Heroism:
If they're going to use Josh Allen for what he is--a defensive weapon, then I pick Josh Allen. He's not a guy you just line up at edge, tell him to attack the QB and forget about. That's Nick Bosa.

Josh Allen becomes a focal point of game plans. He's a defensive chest piece. He's the resurrection of the elephant position. Allen can be the D-gap force player over the tight end that drops into a curl-flat or sinks into a strong hook zone on a buzz call. He gives Saleh the flexibility to call aggressive man coverages by having the ability to stick on a RB or TE. He can be used to make a receiver(TE/WR/RB)'s day long by following him around and using that big, long body to obstruct releases or bracket in coverage. Allen can be lined up over all kinds of gaps and spots and sent on a barrage of twists, loopers and games and myriads of ambiguous blitzes that are hard to decipher and baffle Goff's brain. One second he's at edge, next he's in the strong hook next to Fred Warner, and then he's twisting gaps with Defo from C to A.

And of course, he'll come flying off the edge like bat out of hell. He'll do that a lot.

Excellent Post Hero!

Originally posted by strickac:
I think we have to pick Allen. Our roster calls for it. I think QW is the better player, but DT isn't a position of need.

Our defense really isn't terrible. Statistically, they were good in areas. The huge void is turnovers and that begins with a pass rush.

I'm thinking Ziggy Ansah comes cheaper than expected and there's some familiarity with him and the front office. If we get someone like that, then it may change my opinion, but at face value, you have to take the guy that can start at LEO or SAM. We need to put a bandaid on that part of our roster.

I whole-heartedly agreed w/everything until you got to Ziggy!

He's an injury riddled player who misses way too many games.

I'd much rather take Brandon Graham who is rarely if ever injured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Vf0RG_ouk

Preston Smith would be another guy who would be on the field and not on the Injury Report.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2021-free-agent-profile-preston-smith/

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Heroism:

If they're going to use Josh Allen for what he is--a defensive weapon, then I pick Josh Allen. He's not a guy you just line up at edge, tell him to attack the QB and forget about. That's Nick Bosa.

Josh Allen becomes a focal point of game plans. He's a defensive chest piece. He's the resurrection of the elephant position. Allen can be the D-gap force player over the tight end that drops into a curl-flat or sinks into a strong hook zone on a buzz call. He gives Saleh the flexibility to call aggressive man coverages by having the ability to stick on a RB or TE. He can be used to make a receiver(TE/WR/RB)'s day long by following him around and using that big, long body to obstruct releases or bracket in coverage. Allen can be lined up over all kinds of gaps and spots and sent on a barrage of twists, loopers and games and myriads of ambiguous blitzes that are hard to decipher and baffle Goff's brain. One second he's at edge, next he's in the strong hook next to Fred Warner, and then he's twisting gaps with Defo from C to A.

And of course, he'll come flying off the edge like bat out of hell. He'll do that a lot.

Excellent Post Hero!

Hero that is 100% correct but do you actually think we would be that creative with him?

Sorry for being pessimistic about guys we have to project after drafting two DT's that have no future on this team. I want a ER who has shown the traits needed to be an every down player and pressure the qb on all downs.

I don't trust saleh to do that with Allen and I think he will struggle to get pressure on the qb consistently. His best move right now is running to a spot and turning around. Hes so fast it actually works in college but I doubt it will be effective at all on the next level.

Originally posted by krizay:

People are talking about QW as a NT. I dont think he is a NT in our defense.

Why not?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So what you're gonna pay Ziggy $15 million a yr to not be a 3 down player? I don't think so

Chargers play Ingram at Leo, Bosa at big end.

49ers would play Ansah at Leo, Bosa at big end.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by krizay:

People are talking about QW as a NT. I dont think he is a NT in our defense.

Why not?

He's perfect as a 4-3 NT who slides to 3tech in nickel. The only NT that would maybe be a better fit in the world is probably Grady Jarrett.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Chargers play Ingram at Leo, Bosa at big end.

49ers would play Ansah at Leo, Bosa at big end.

Yeah forgot about that....I'm looking at Joey's size on the LA roster and he's currently 280lbs?