Rashan Gary, EDGE, Michigan

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Nothing in there shows me he's a good pass rusher. Lol at the article saying powerful run defender and edge setter by McShay. Then by Walterfootball they say "5-tech in a 3-4 defense"

Things that we have all been saying.

I wasn't very impressed with Harbaughs defense this past year, overall, specially in the big games, unfortunately. Gary was a big part of that defense, and as much as I'm a Harbaugh fan, I just dont see us drafting him over a true edge rusher like Allen, Burns, or even his teammate, Ferrill.

This conversation reminds of some words a wise man once said.....

"Never argue with idiots. They'll wear you out, bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

Originally posted by NTeply49:

This conversation reminds of some words a wise man once said.....

"Never argue with idiots. They'll wear you out, bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

Wu is a Harbaugh fan, so he isn't all bad. Harbaugh was treated badly by this organization, and he's a talented coach - no doubt about it, but no one's perfect. I'm pulling for Harbaugh and all of his players that make it to the NFL. Of course, once he's back in the NFL, I won't be a fan of his when he plays against Kyle. As for college ball, I rely on the draft experts to figure out what I need figure out. Its all fun and good.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Nothing in there shows me he's a good pass rusher. Lol at the article saying powerful run defender and edge setter by McShay. Then by Walterfootball they say "5-tech in a 3-4 defense"

Things that we have all been saying.

I guess you weren't paying attention to the one on one clips I have posted, showing when asked.. When asked..... He did very well rushing... The videos don't lie...

I posted close to 10 one on one clips.. I cannot help you if you decide not to watch them. That's beyond my capabilities in this realm.

Do I have to repost all 10 or so again, If you haven't watched by now.. You probably won't watch it. Are we posting feelings again? Both sides btw....

No, for real though, why do so many think he should be a 5-tech in a 3-4?

or why do people think he should move inside in a 4-3?

Would he be better utilized or is it just plain nonsense?

There's nothing new here.. Some didn't understand his impact role back then and today still don't understand his role now.. Trust me this was never a used car man sales pitch. Ferrari's sell themselves. I just know he has it all and is only a true junior right now, today...

The stiff arm was there in high school at Paramus Catholic, It was there in college and will be there in the nfl..

Don't forget who told ya

Originally posted by Kolohe:

No, for real though, why do so many think he should be a 5-tech in a 3-4?

or why do people think he should move inside in a 4-3?

Would he be better utilized or is it just plain nonsense?

He is that diverse brethren. You answered you're own question...

He did everything he was asked to do... Inside or Out. He has the right balance of speed, strength and athleticism...

When asked to kick inside he created chaos, when he is on the outside one on one he created chaos. When asked to stunt.. Guess what he created chaos. There's a theme going here.

Forget the stats. Look at the impact he has in the game, look how they scheme away from him, look how they double, triple team him and chip em..

He creates chaos wherever he is put. If you just look at stats then you cheated yourselves out of seeing what he does and why he is special.

Buckner and Gary please.... This was never a sales pitch. Dude is the real deal. True junior at that.. One of the youngest in this D-lineman class. Hasn't peaked which is insane...

Still a puppy. Buckner and Gary please. I say 4-3, 4-2 nickel because of that burst of speed but he is strong enough to bang inside if needed. He is a problem where ever you put him. Pair him with Buckner.. Solidifying that line for the next 10-12 years.

After we traded for Ford I've warmed up a bit on Gary. There's some flexibility to aquire a big end. If we were to trade down and take him I'd be fine with it. He's a big step down from Bosa, Q though. We'd really have to hit the jackpot in a trade.

I appreciate the clips and info Wu. You brought up valid arguments about why Gary can be a better pro than college player. I wouldn't mind if we got him in a trade down. Paired with Ford and Buckner (and hopefully a breakthrough Solomon), this could be the scheme and situation for Gary to really flourish.

If we are talking about taking Gary with #2, I have not seen a single prediction of that anywhere. I may have missed one somewhere I suppose, maybe a Michigan site. Bosa is almost unanimously considered to be the best edge rusher in the draft this year. Williams is likewise unanimously considered to be the best inside guy in the draft. Anyone here who disagrees, that's fine and it is up to them. But they have no support that I can find amongst those who are paid to watch games and form opinions.

That isn't to say he cant be an excellent player in the NFL. I am sure he can aspire to this.But unless he drops to our second pick he is not going to play for the 49ers unless we are able to engineer an amazing trade.

This is not bias or some sort of anti-Michigan or anti-Harbaugh reaction. This is what virtually 100% say. Bosa is the best edge. Williams is the best inside. Because we have #2 we have a shot at one the best.

For all of this talk about Gary, I would like to refer you to the Soloman Thomas draft thread. We already have a big end we are developing to move inside on passing downs. Armstead played decent too, and with another good edge rusher, (which Gary is not) we can have a very effective nickle defense. This guy is more of the same at a position we already have a log jam of talent at. I dont feel he upgrades our best 11 on the field enough to justify a first round pick. Keeping him on the edge in passing situations is a waste. For me to justify this pick, wewould have to trade back into the teens, trade solomon(whom I'm not ready to give up on) or Armstead(who a tually started taking a step forward as ouf big end) and aquire a ton of other earlt round picks to fill the positions we actually have holes at. We need a wide out. We have masked an innefective interior offensive line. We have no idea what we have in the defenaive back other than a ton of hit or miss guys. Were one injury away at linebacker to having Elijah start.

I dont see the love. I'm not hating

I am curious where he lands. He should do well in the right situation.

Originally posted by NTeply49:

For all of this talk about Gary, I would like to refer you to the Soloman Thomas draft thread. We already have a big end we are developing to move inside on passing downs. Armstead played decent too, and with another good edge rusher, (which Gary is not) we can have a very effective nickle defense. This guy is more of the same at a position we already have a log jam of talent at. I dont feel he upgrades our best 11 on the field enough to justify a first round pick. Keeping him on the edge in passing situations is a waste. For me to justify this pick, wewould have to trade back into the teens, trade solomon(whom I'm not ready to give up on) or Armstead(who a tually started taking a step forward as ouf big end) and aquire a ton of other earlt round picks to fill the positions we actually have holes at. We need a wide out. We have masked an innefective interior offensive line. We have no idea what we have in the defenaive back other than a ton of hit or miss guys. Were one injury away at linebacker to having Elijah start.

I dont see the love. I'm not hating

If we were to draft him you'd play him just as you play Bosa. Big leo, strongside nickel, sparingly at 3 tech. He's a huge step down from Nick but I don't think he's as bad as Solly is at edge. Better length, better tools, actual experience there.

Ford, Buckner, Thomas, Gary would be the nickel line.

Not my #1, #2 option but if we traded down, got a boat load of picks and Gary was a pick of ours I wouldn't hate the choice.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I am curious where he lands. He should do well in the right situation.

Giants or lions.

Originally posted by NTeply49:
For all of this talk about Gary, I would like to refer you to the Soloman Thomas draft thread. We already have a big end we are developing to move inside on passing downs. Armstead played decent too, and with another good edge rusher, (which Gary is not) we can have a very effective nickle defense. This guy is more of the same at a position we already have a log jam of talent at. I dont feel he upgrades our best 11 on the field enough to justify a first round pick. Keeping him on the edge in passing situations is a waste. For me to justify this pick, wewould have to trade back into the teens, trade solomon(whom I'm not ready to give up on) or Armstead(who a tually started taking a step forward as ouf big end) and aquire a ton of other earlt round picks to fill the positions we actually have holes at. We need a wide out. We have masked an innefective interior offensive line. We have no idea what we have in the defenaive back other than a ton of hit or miss guys. Were one injury away at linebacker to having Elijah start.

I dont see the love. I'm not hating

I'd want a Hershel Walker kind of trade if we have to trade down and take Gary. At least 3 ones, 3 twos, and 3 threes - for three consective years. That is the only kind of trade I'd want - if we are going to give up on #2 and Bosa.