Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Since when did Buckner run a 4.5 forty? Why bring up chasing him down because that doesn't help your point.

Buckner made a great play, he shed blockers because of his long arms and ran over to make a play. Alligator arms Bosa would never get off that block. Bucker ran that in combine, who knows his speed now in year 3-4 ? I'm sure it's better than what he posted at the combine. He's been in the weight room for 3 years getting stronger and faster. He came in at what 290 ? 9ers have him currently at 300lbs

Originally posted by LordGains:

Ohio state was the first ranked opponent TCU played. TCU finished 7-6. I never mentioned "Oklahoma State" Oregon State is who he played they were 2-10 and Rutgers were 1-11 TCU played 5 ranked teams and were 1-4 against them. The one ranked team they beat was 24th ranked Iowa State by a field goal 17-14. TCU was destroyed By Texas, Ohio State and MURDERED vs West Virginia and Oklahoma.

9ers can get more production out of an edge lower that #2

Nick Bosa has done NOTHING in college to warrant a #2 pick or elite grade. All his grades are based on hope, faith and prayer because of his BROTHER. Owners put escalators in contracts for SACKS not "pressure".

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Big slow guy alert

Jared Allen, DE, 6'6" 265lb, 4.76 40YD, 1.66 10yd, 32" Arms. 136 NFL sacks.

Nick Bosa, DE, 6'4" 263lb, 4.79 40yd, 1.55 10yd, 33" arms.

Last time i checked Allen went in the 4th rd and worked his way to become elite. Yet ya'll want to crown Bosa #1 or #2 pick hmmmmmmmm

Also it was reported that Allen ran in the 4.6 range so just because he tested slower doesn't mean that was his speed. His tape proved he was faster. Bosa tape is exactly what he is 4.79. And still ran faster than Bosa 4.72 🤭 That's the equivalent of 4.42 vs 4.50 🤷‍♂️ BIG difference watch the gap Usain Bolt has on other runners with a 8 hundredth of a sec lead smh.

Nick was 266 btw.

But guess .03 seconds slower 40 tells you Allen is faster than him, even though Bosa has him .11 seconds on the 10 yard split which shows explosion and is more indicative of DE success...but his tape proved he was faster?

What a joke.

And Tom Brady was a 6th round pick...guess in hindsight taking him #1 overall would've been stupid

Jared "alligator arms" Allen. 32" arms, 13 reps on bench. 136 NFL sacks.

Justin "t-rex" Smith, 32.5" arms. 87 NFL sacks.

This is a great breakdown of Bosa good stuff right here

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He wants Allen...then allen showed up with baby hands and chris Borland arms, so now he can't possibly say he wants him BECAUSE he's been saying Bosa has short arms.

QW does nothing to stop a scrambling QB....he's all over the place. sounds like a poster we all knew

You just jammed yourself calling Josh Allen, Chris Borland arms 32 7/8 the difference from 33"(Bosa arm length) is 0.125 inches, that's 0.3175 cm nearly the same. Someone not strong in maths Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

I don't think ya'll understand very well. QW should be the pick is many people's position, Not Bosa or Allen. QW is to penetrate the MIDDLE, COLLAPSE the pocket, STUFF the RUN. The ends are to SET the edges and CONTAIN the QBs NOT QW. 9ers can draft ANOTHER edge rusher not named Bosa to "chase" Russell or potentially Kyler along with Dee Ford. What is so hard to understand ?

Allen is a better pass rusher than Bosa he has PROVEN it. He proved he's a MORE PRODUCTIVE PLAYER. He PROVED he's a play maker, should he be No 2 hell no but he's better than trash Bosa. He plays LB and DE, drops in COVERAGE, create TURNOVERS. Allens hand size doesn't matter he's not a QB.And his arm length were measured at the combine 33 1/2" I trust the combine measurement over the latest numbers. Josh Allen's speed also negates any concerns about short arms, speed Bosa doesn't have. Allen has the better "bend" also. Allen already PROVED he can get SACKS 17 last year and 31.5 in CAEER. Bosa has yet to prove he can get to the QB and put him down 17.5 sacks in CAREER. Josh has NOTHING else to prove to be a top 5. Bosa on the other hand does NOT have top 2 production.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Jared "alligator arms" Allen. 32" arms, 13 reps on bench. 136 NFL sacks.

Justin "t-rex" Smith, 32.5" arms. 87 NFL sacks.

Which one went #2 pick in the draft ? I'll wait

Originally posted by LordGains:

You just jammed yourself calling Josh Allen, Chris Borland arms 32 7/8 the difference from 33"(Bosa arm length) is 0.125 inches, that's 0.3175 cm nearly the same. Someone not strong in maths Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

I don't think ya'll understand very well. QW should be the pick is many people's position, Not Bosa or Allen. QW is to penetrate the MIDDLE, COLLAPSE the pocket, STUFF the RUN. The ends are to SET the edges and CONTAIN the QBs NOT QW. 9ers can draft ANOTHER edge rusher not named Bosa to "chase" Russell or potentially Kyler along with Dee Ford. What is so hard to understand ?

Allen is a better pass rusher than Bosa he has PROVEN it. He proved he's a MORE PRODUCTIVE PLAYER. He PROVED he's a play maker, should he be No 2 hell no but he's better than trash Bosa. He plays LB and DE, drops in COVERAGE, create TURNOVERS. Allens hand size doesn't matter he's not a QB.And his arm length were measured at the combine 33 1/2" I trust the combine measurement over the latest numbers. Josh Allen's speed also negates any concerns about short arms, speed Bosa doesn't have. Allen has the better "bend" also. Allen already PROVED he can get SACKS 17 last year and 31.5 in CAEER. Bosa has yet to prove he can get to the QB and put him down 17.5 sacks in CAREER. Josh has NOTHING else to prove to be a top 5. Bosa on the other hand does NOT have top 2 production.

This teams some Bosa

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Jared "alligator arms" Allen. 32" arms, 13 reps on bench. 136 NFL sacks.

Justin "t-rex" Smith, 32.5" arms. 87 NFL sacks.

Which one went #2 pick in the draft ? I'll wait

We're still waiting for you to make a valid point. Wonder which of us will wait longer...

Originally posted by genus49:

We're still waiting for you to make a valid point. Wonder which of us will wait longer...

Dion Jordan went 3rd
Chris long went 2nd
Gaines Adams went 4th

Plenty of busts at that top that had length and were very athletic.

Allen was a beast in the NFL regardless of athletic ability and length. Technique wins. Justin Smith was the 4th overall pick and had shorter arms. Like wrath said if he think Bosa is trash he doesn't know what he's watching and it's a waste of time.

Originally posted by LordGains:
You just jammed yourself calling Josh Allen, Chris Borland arms 32 7/8 the difference from 33"(Bosa arm length) is 0.125 inches, that's 0.3175 cm nearly the same. Someone not strong in maths Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

I don't think ya'll understand very well. QW should be the pick is many people's position, Not Bosa or Allen. QW is to penetrate the MIDDLE, COLLAPSE the pocket, STUFF the RUN. The ends are to SET the edges and CONTAIN the QBs NOT QW. 9ers can draft ANOTHER edge rusher not named Bosa to "chase" Russell or potentially Kyler along with Dee Ford. What is so hard to understand ?

Allen is a better pass rusher than Bosa he has PROVEN it. He proved he's a MORE PRODUCTIVE PLAYER. He PROVED he's a play maker, should he be No 2 hell no but he's better than trash Bosa. He plays LB and DE, drops in COVERAGE, create TURNOVERS. Allens hand size doesn't matter he's not a QB.And his arm length were measured at the combine 33 1/2" I trust the combine measurement over the latest numbers. Josh Allen's speed also negates any concerns about short arms, speed Bosa doesn't have. Allen has the better "bend" also. Allen already PROVED he can get SACKS 17 last year and 31.5 in CAEER. Bosa has yet to prove he can get to the QB and put him down 17.5 sacks in CAREER. Josh has NOTHING else to prove to be a top 5. Bosa on the other hand does NOT have top 2 production.

He hasn't proven sh*t. He was a more productive pass rusher in college. That doesn't mean anything.

Is Sutton Smith better than Bosa as well?

How is Jarvis Jones doing? SEC sack leader. Great production in college. Invisible in the NFL.

If you can't fathom how production in college doesn't always translate to NFL success then I don't recommend you get into draft talk.

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Jared "alligator arms" Allen. 32" arms, 13 reps on bench. 136 NFL sacks.

Justin "t-rex" Smith, 32.5" arms. 87 NFL sacks.

Which one went #2 pick in the draft ? I'll wait

Comparing the players, similar in every way....except Bosa is stronger, and faster 10yd than both. U say short arm players can't get to the QB.... just gave 2 quick examples that prove the opposite. BTW J. Smith went #4 overall, 2nd defensive player, 1st DE.....HUGE difference. Lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
We're still waiting for you to make a valid point. Wonder which of us will wait longer...

Dion Jordan went 3rd
Chris long went 2nd
Gaines Adams went 4th

Plenty of busts at that top that had length and were very athletic.

Allen was a beast in the NFL regardless of athletic ability and length. Technique wins. Justin Smith was the 4th overall pick and had shorter arms. Like wrath said if he think Bosa is trash he doesn't know what he's watching and it's a waste of time.

His whole idea of where guys went is idiotic in general.

Tom Brady went in the 6th round. If we needed a QB and there was a guy who could be the next Tom Brady would you argue no way is he worth a 2nd overall pick because Tom Brady wasnt drafted til the 6th round?

Would we not want a WR who is as good as Antonio Brown cuz he was a 6th rounder?

Joe Montana?

etc...

Draft position means ch*t. The actual play/production in the NFL is what you should be looking at. Jared Allen doesn't fit the narrative so he has to adjust things to keep his garbage going.

Derp Allen wasn't a 2nd overall pick so if Bosa has the same measurables somehow that means he can't play in the NFL...even though Allen did at a very high success rate...

Sound logic at it's best.

"Bosa is garbage cuz he's got short arms and isn't athletic and won't be able to produce in the NFL"
"Jared Allen had shorter arms and was less athletic in his testing than Bosa"
"Well that doesn't count, Allen wasn't a top 2 pick!"

Pretty much how that goes.

Originally posted by genus49:

His whole idea of where guys went is idiotic in general.

Tom Brady went in the 6th round. If we needed a QB and there was a guy who could be the next Tom Brady would you argue no way is he worth a 2nd overall pick because Tom Brady wasnt drafted til the 6th round?

Would we not want a WR who is as good as Antonio Brown cuz he was a 6th rounder?

Joe Montana?

etc...

Draft position means ch*t. The actual play/production in the NFL is what you should be looking at. Jared Allen doesn't fit the narrative so he has to adjust things to keep his garbage going.

Derp Allen wasn't a 2nd overall pick so if Bosa has the same measurables somehow that means he can't play in the NFL...even though Allen did at a very high success rate...

Sound logic at it's best.

"Bosa is garbage cuz he's got short arms and isn't athletic and won't be able to produce in the NFL"
"Jared Allen had shorter arms and was less athletic in his testing than Bosa"
"Well that doesn't count, Allen wasn't a top 2 pick!"

Pretty much how that goes.

It's a pointless discussion that stinks of trolling...I haven't seen him post a damn thing anywhere else including the guy he likes (who has short arms and isn't anymore athletic) in Josh Allen.

Edit: now it's QW who he want but has short arm as well. I mean what lol?

Trolling probably a AZ fan.