Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Nick is also quicker than Joey and has better bend. It's not just that their brothers that brings the similarities and comparisons, they've also had the same coaching practically all their lives.

There's nothing wrong with the critiques out their for Nick, but most of it comes from his Sophomore year. It's credit to Nick that he was already as advanced as he was.

Nick was set for a monster year and would have been easier to form proper scouting assessments. His 3 games from his Junior year, Oregon State, who were inferior and he dominated. Wisconsin, complete with their 4 future NFL lineman, and he fared very well, then finally TCU, constant threat and had a strip sack for a TD, great game and then lost for the year.

Every pass rusher has quiet spells but Nick's technique, decent burst and very good bend mean he doesn't have them for long.

He was too quiet for my liking. Check his tackles, he hardly get any. Brett Kollmann calls Quinnen "the best prospect since Aaron Donald". Never heard anyone ever mentioned Bosa being the best prospect since anybody lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT9zx72SVI Check out the film

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
You seem to be to nitpicking stuff just for the heck of it. Arguing about the 10 yard split when its clear what the laser timed numbers were doesn't make much sense to me.

In the end, whether someone believes that Nick Bosa is a lot better, slightly better or slightly worse than his brother, he's still a top notch edge rushing prospect based on hos owb merits and in all likelihood goes Top 3.

Except there is no truth this. To the naked human eye, .13 is significant, in football terms it is very significant, otherwise why freak out when someone runs a 4.28 vs a 4.41 40 time?

.13 seconds means you're already moving off the line and likely have a jump on the tackle. That .13 second difference puts Nick in the company of the most elite pass rushers in football. That is elite level acceleration for a pass rusher.

The entire game is about getting that 1/10 of a second advantage. Wether it be speed, or position or mental decision making...it all matters .

1/10 of a second over 20 yards is over most peoples arm length, When rushing the passer and you might only get a hand on the dude....it matters.

Originally posted by LordGains:
He was too quiet for my liking. Check his tackles, he hardly get any. Brett Kollmann calls Quinnen "the best prospect since Aaron Donald". Never heard anyone ever mentioned Bosa being the best prospect since anybody lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT9zx72SVI Check out the film

i think a lot of people think QWill is the best player in the draft.....but Bosa fills a need and makes ST a hell of a lot more valuable.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
i think a lot of people think QWill is the best player in the draft.....but Bosa fills a need and makes ST a hell of a lot more valuable.

QW would help Solomon more. If QW and Buckner collapse the pocket consistently, the QB won't be able to step into throws. They would have to slide to left or right making work easier for Dee Ford and Solomon. 🤗 Besides what is Bosa going to play ? "Big End" ? He's too little !

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

i think a lot of people think QWill is the best player in the draft.....but Bosa fills a need and makes ST a hell of a lot more valuable.

QW would help Solomon more. If QW and Buckner collapse the pocket consistently, the QB won't be able to step into throws. They would have to slide to left or right making work easier for Dee Ford and Solomon. 🤗 Besides what is Bosa going to play ? "Big End" ? He's too little !

Bosa And Thomas are almost a he same size, 1 inch goes to Bosa abd 10 Lbs goes to Thomas, Thomas would end up as the big end if Williams is the pick.. Bosa is the choice if there if not I'm trading down with a team that loves a QB and overpays

Originally posted by Dshearn:
i think a lot of people think QWill is the best player in the draft.....but Bosa fills a need and makes ST a hell of a lot more valuable.

I am one of those people who think QW is the best player in this draft. But, again, DT or edge rusher? Before Dee Ford I would have said take Bosa if we don't trade down and get to choose between them. Now, however, I'm not so sure. I do think QW is better, and if Ford can be a force on the edge, maybe it's BPA time?

Originally posted by LordGains:

He was too quiet for my liking. Check his tackles, he hardly get any. Brett Kollmann calls Quinnen "the best prospect since Aaron Donald". Never heard anyone ever mentioned Bosa being the best prospect since anybody lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT9zx72SVI Check out the film

Why check his tackles? He was in a rotation his first two years, then got injured, plus team's gameplanned to try to take him away.

After all that he's still thought of as the #1 prospect. That should say more than stats ever could.

Regardless of that everyone should just watch the guy.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Why check his tackles? He was in a rotation his first two years, then got injured, plus team's gameplanned to try to take him away.

After all that he's still thought of as the #1 prospect. That should say more than stats ever could.

Regardless of that everyone should just watch the guy.

This video at the very beginning shows my biggest concern with him. He just does not have the best first step.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This video at the very beginning shows my biggest concern with him. He just does not have the best first step.

My other big concern is obviously his T-Rex arms. But he will be good. I just don't think he'll be as good as QW. But then again he plays a more valuable position. This is definitely a tough choice.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This video at the very beginning shows my biggest concern with him. He just does not have the best first step.

My other big concern is obviously his T-Rex arms. But he will be good. I just don't think he'll be as good as QW. But then again he plays a more valuable position. This is definitely a tough choice.

It wouldn't shock me if QW ends up as the better player, but the best thing for the team IMO would be getting another starting edge rusher. We can't think we are in the clear from signing one guy.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
It wouldn't shock me if QW ends up as the better player, but the best thing for the team IMO would be getting another starting edge rusher. We can't think we are in the clear from signing one guy.

Yeah, their respective positions are the only reason Bosa might be a better selection to me. But if both of them truly maximize their potential, QW is going to be one of those "unicorn" players, and if I knew with future-knowing hindsight they'd both be the best they could according to their apparent potential, i'd take QW in a heart beat.

Some of you are more astute than I am on the prospects, but it seems that a trade down could still net the team a player of need that has potential for greatness while still building draft capitol. It seems to me that almost every year there's a draft crush by many (Bosa) that doesn't meet expectations. Thoughts?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Why check his tackles? He was in a rotation his first two years, then got injured, plus team's gameplanned to try to take him away.

After all that he's still thought of as the #1 prospect. That should say more than stats ever could.

Regardless of that everyone should just watch the guy.

This video at the very beginning shows my biggest concern with him. He just does not have the best first step.

It's a good video and makes sense, but the negatives are taken from him as a Sophomore.

His first step isn't elite, but it's plenty good enough when put with the rest of his skills.

Originally posted by 1biggi:

Some of you are more astute than I am on the prospects, but it seems that a trade down could still net the team a player of need that has potential for greatness while still building draft capitol. It seems to me that almost every year there's a draft crush by many (Bosa) that doesn't meet expectations. Thoughts?

I think most of us are open to the idea of a trade, but I wouldn't want to trade down too far and miss the best options, and it would have to be worthwhile from the viewpoint of the value we would get.

To put it in perspective, on one value chart the #2 is valued at 2600 points. Oakland's #4 at 1800 and NYG #6 at 1600 points. So the chart considers that the value difference between our pick and Oakland's is 800 points, or the #21 pick, and between us and NYG at 1000 or #16. Whilst the depth charts aren't gospel, they give an idea of the relative value that some teams place in the different picks.

Of course the trade down could net you a potentially great player, plus more. But the lower down you trade, the higher the potential appears to be for failure. The general consensus of experts appears to be that the two elite players in this year's draft are Bosa and Q. Due to the extra positional value the NFL places in qb's they could both still be available when we pick. Or we could trade down to #4 and find one of them still there. But to trade down and miss them both ought to carry an extra payment in compensation.

Draft should be very interesting this year!

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by English:

Like they exposed his brother?

What does his brother have to do with him ? They are 2 different human beings right ? Compare their production in college. Joey career high 13.5, Nick career high 8.5. Furthermore Joey is taller, arms longer, almost 20 lbs heavier. Nick has one of the shortest arms(33") from a DE like in the last 20 years and hardly get any tackles(77 total in 3 years). Solomon Thomas had 61 in ONE season. When tackles grab him he's done and he doesn't have Von Miller, Dee Ford etc type speed to get around consistently. He will get some sacks against garbage tackles because he has great technique but when he face good and elite tackles he will disappear.

We are going to have to agree to differ. There is no consensus on this board or elsewhere as to who is the best of the two and most valuable addition to the team. One thing, though. A player as dominant as Bosa is unlikely to disappear in the NFL.