Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I love me some QW but would not take him over Bosa. You guys who would are crazy!

Not everyone has Bosa as the best player in this draft, so it's not as crazy as you think. Brett Kollmann loves Bosa and still has Q as his best player. It's the upside of Williams that makes him so frightening because we are currently watching Aaron Donald destroy gameplans and Q is very similar.

The second we acquired Ford, taking BPA became a legit possibility.

Oh I know. Imo they are 1A and 1B. However, given we have Buck, Thomas, AA, and even though we have Ford a pure edge rusher would be logical. So imo for us Bosa is the no brainer. If he's gone I want QW unless we get a great trade down offer. That's where I'm at!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
One thing that's always bothered me about Nick is that he wasn't nearly as productive as his brother was in college. Yes, he missed 11 games last year, and that's a huge deal. But even going back to his soph year where he played in all 14 games, he only had more than 1 sack in a game once (1.5 sacks in the bowl game against SC). Meaning, he didn't have a multiple sack game his entire soph year until the last game of that year and has only had one 2-sack game in his entire college career (the opener last year against Oregon St.).

By comparison, Joey had two 2-sack games in his freshman year and 4 as a sophomore (including a stretch of 3 games in where he had at least 2 sacks).

Also, Nick only recorded 12 QB hurries for his entire college career, whereas Joey had 14 in his junior season alone (24 for his career).

All I'm saying is, the deeper you look into the numbers, the more concerned I become about assuming that Nick is Joey and Joey is Nick.

How about you go watch the games vs just look at the stats cause that's what it seems like you're doing.

Dude wasn't a full time starter until this season and he got hurt.His film speaks for himself, whenever he played he produced. There's a reason every draft analyst view him as the top prospect for over a yr.

FWIW, I don't dislike Bosa nor have I just looked at him from a numbers-standpoint. My larger point is, it's easy (and lazy) to assume that Nick=Joey and it feels like a lot of people are making that assumption. I'm merely challenging that assumption based on what I've seen. Now, thankfully, I'm not a professional scout/NFL personnel guy...I'm just some dude on a fan site with an opinion, so nobody has to give my take on NB any credence. It's just that when I see the Joey/Nick comparisons, I'm seeing some disparity, that's all. Others clearly see a very similar prospect when they compare the brothers' game, and that's a very legitimate opinion. It's just not one that I share.

Perhaps the dumbest thing I've seen so far. They have a total hard-on for corners. There is no DB in this draft that is worthy of a top 5 pick.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Perhaps the dumbest thing I've seen so far. They have a total hard-on for corners. There is no DB in this draft that is worthy of a top 5 pick.

This is why people need to lay off PFF sometimes lol.

Im one who really hope that the Brain Trust DO NOT pick Bosa,it would be better if they trade down a couple of Spots and Get Brian Burns,this guy is going to be a beast for years to come Bosa is ok but his ceiling is not as high as Burns.....there`s something I see in Burns that is just not there in Bosa sorrry don`t mean to hurt or burst anybody`s bubbles.

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Im one who really hope that the Brain Trust DO NOT pick Bosa,it would be better if they trade down a couple of Spots and Get Brian Burns,this guy is going to be a beast for years to come Bosa is ok but his ceiling is not as high as Burns.....there`s something I see in Burns that is just not there in Bosa sorrry don`t mean to hurt or burst anybody`s bubbles.

I like Burns a lot too but now that we have a speed rusher we need a DE who can defend the run at BE and I think Bosa does that the best.

Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Im one who really hope that the Brain Trust DO NOT pick Bosa,it would be better if they trade down a couple of Spots and Get Brian Burns,this guy is going to be a beast for years to come Bosa is ok but his ceiling is not as high as Burns.....there`s something I see in Burns that is just not there in Bosa sorrry don`t mean to hurt or burst anybody`s bubbles.

i'd be fine with that if bosa wasn't there at #2

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
While nothing is certain, it's probably reasonable to assume he'll be on par with his older brother. So I'd ask this question; knowing what we know, would you draft Joey Bosa 2nd overall? I'm not sure. I think the video nailed it. "Expect him to play well against certain less talented tackles, but he's likely to be over matched against strong longer armed ones that know how to use their hands." I know that's true of most edge rushers, but I'd like a guy who can win against elite talent with either power or speed. A guy like Trent Brown would eat Bosa's lunch.

Right. Draft Joey at #2 no thanks , joey is very good but not much different and maybe even less of a player than the Campbell's, flowers ...and a long long list of others that are drafted every year round 2 and later.

This is an easy game to play. The game of where you would draft someone with the benefit of hindsight. The reality is, in most years, the top pass rusher will be drafted near the top of the draft because of the position they play. It doesn't mean that pass rusher will have the better career or even be the best pass rusher in the NFL in any given season. It's just less likely they will be a bad pass rusher. How many people have we seen eat up Joey Bosa like that? There aren't many tackles in the league that can do that, and if there were, you wouldn't have to pay so much to sign one, or draft them high (Trent Brown being an obvious exception with the drafting thing).

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Im one who really hope that the Brain Trust DO NOT pick Bosa,it would be better if they trade down a couple of Spots and Get Brian Burns,this guy is going to be a beast for years to come Bosa is ok but his ceiling is not as high as Burns.....there`s something I see in Burns that is just not there in Bosa sorrry don`t mean to hurt or burst anybody`s bubbles.

I like Burns a lot too but now that we have a speed rusher we need a DE who can defend the run at BE and I think Bosa does that the best.

Ditto. The beauty of Bosa is that he can play either side IMO. The fact that we can get a guy with his advanced technique, athletic ability, AND ability to play the run could make our D-line (and potentially the entire defense) elite. One week ago, I was hoping we could draft Nick Bosa to be our LEO. Now we have a guy that is a true speed rusher and we can add an athlete on the other side who is a polished pass rusher. Life will be so much easier for Buckner and anyone else playing 1T and 3T this season.

If AZ takes Bosa the best thing would be if the raiders really wanted Murray and trade 4 and 24 to us.

We would still get QW or Allen and have 24 to address another need.

The problem with that imo is if the Raiders want Murray they'd make the same or even sweeter offer to AZ to move up to one. The consensus is AZ would love to trade down so if they don't trade it means nobody is dying to move up.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Because he is clear BPA by a HUGE MARGIN if Bosa is gone. At least who I want is the more elite player. I'm fine with Bosa over QW. Redundant....well AA is GONE after this season. Thomas, if he does not improve, WILL BE GONE after this season or next. And then we will have a hole at DT and wonder why we didn't take QW when he is first team All-Pro.

Gotta look further out than just this year.

You would have a point if Thomas was a beast and ballin like Buckner...THEN I would agree on redundancy. Until then, we owe no loyalty to Thomas and QW is 10x the prospect ST ever was.

Again, I am the proponent of drafting one of the two elite talents in this draft since we are picking at #2 we should get one of them IF we stay at #2. If we trade down to #4 then by all mean draft Josh Allen there when Bosa/QW are off the board.

Originally posted by LordGains:

How is QW redundant ? What you don't realise is that he's a true nose tackle and would line up next to DeFo. Tampa bay pass rush was beast back in the day because of their defensive tackles, especially Warren Sap. 9ers were at their best with Bryant Young and Dana Stubblefield. DTs collapse the pockets making it east for DEs to get sacks when the QBs slide. Not to mention they stuff the run. 2 Dominant DTs like QW and Defo with Dee Ford on the edge is much better than taking an overrated, short arms, slow, non explosive, low production Bosa. QW is unblockable 1 on 1 and even beats double teams. Tackles in the NFL will expose Bosa.

I think the team disagrees with you, otherwise they wouldn't have released Marsh before the draft. Many "draft experts" say Josh Allen is the 3rd player in the top tier with Bosa and QW. Therefore, no matter what happens, the team will walk away from draft day with one of the top 2 edge rushers in the draft.

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by English:

Like they exposed his brother?

What does his brother have to do with him ? They are 2 different human beings right ? Compare their production in college. Joey career high 13.5, Nick career high 8.5. Furthermore Joey is taller, arms longer, almost 20 lbs heavier. Nick has one of the shortest arms(33") from a DE like in the last 20 years and hardly get any tackles(77 total in 3 years). Solomon Thomas had 61 in ONE season. When tackles grab him he's done and he doesn't have Von Miller, Dee Ford etc type speed to get around consistently. He will get some sacks against garbage tackles because he has great technique but when he face good and elite tackles he will disappear.

Joey Bosa's arms are 3/8ths of an inch longer than Nick's.

Nick Bosa arm Length is 33".

Von Miller-33.5"
Demarcus Lawrence- 33.75"
Khalil Mack- 33.25"
Vic Beasley- 32.5"
Dee Ford-32 7/8"
Melvin Ingram-31.5"
Brandon Graham-32.25"
Jerry Hughes- 33"
Ryan Kerrigan- 33 3/8"
Za'Darius Smith- 32 5/8"
TJ Watt- 33 1/8"

Bosa please

The most wonderful thing about all these talks about Nick Bosa´s lenght or lack of explosiveness is that you have basically the same player who had the same supposed weakness in the draft 3 years ago.
And the guy is excellent since his debuts in the league.
Oh by the way the guy is Joey Bosa.
If you don´t like Nick Bosa it´s ok, we will draft him and you won´t have to bother with him and his t-rex arms.^^

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

If AZ takes Bosa the best thing would be if the raiders really wanted Murray and trade 4 and 24 to us.

We would still get QW or Allen and have 24 to address another need.

The problem with that imo is if the Raiders want Murray they'd make the same or even sweeter offer to AZ to move up to one. The consensus is AZ would love to trade down so if they don't trade it means nobody is dying to move up.

Yes the only way the niners trade back is if Bosa is gone, that trade with the raiders plus their 2nd RD pick would be nice, fill all 4 main needs in the 1st two rounds, DE,WR, FS, G..