Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What does SF having 6 picks (actually) have to do with taking the best prospect in the draft at a massive position of need? We don't need more developmental players we have a ton, we need day one difference makers and that's what Bosa is at the LEO position.

I honestly don't think you have watched him objectively if you think he's avg. Bosa's game is damn near identical to Mack coming out of college. They both have violent hands, win with speed to power, both are flexible and have plently of speed around the edge, Id put Bosa's motor ahead of Mack's as well...go look at their combine numbers damn near the same even though Bosa is bigger. Both are technicians as far as pass rushing go.

Honestly who cares if he's not Myles? Dude is an alien and the definition of a generational type player. His size/speed/bend doesn't come around much. This is the 2019 draft not the 2017 draft anyway. All the edge rushers after Bosa have some sort of question mark to their games. Bosa does not.

All in all Bosa plays a position of massive need, he already plays it at a high level and is a 3 down player Taylor made for this scheme. Q is a very good DT prospect BUT we have like 5 DTs that are all under the age of 25 and will be paying Buck top end money soon. It's also much easier to find a quality DT vs a quality edge rusher.

Thank you. Bosa or no Bosa, I do NOT want to spend our 4th first round pick in 5 years on a DT. There are other positions on a football team, and if you watched our defense last year, you could easily see other positions that could stand a bit of draft capital. We could also use a top OT to play OG this year before Staley's retirement. More than yet another DT.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Good call, good teams don't invest premium capital on DE, too easy to find similar production when investing very little. Super bowl winner is happy to wave goodbye to flowers and will easily find another one in the 3Rd or 4th round or later where most of the produductive de's are drafted

Steelers invested first round capital on TJ Watt and Bud Dupree in recent years.

Texans despite having Watt invested a first for Whitney Mercilus then a couple years later in Clowney.

Broncos have Von Miller yet invested first round picks in Shane Ray and Bradley Chubb.

Eagles drafted Derek Barnett in the first round in 2017 to boost their pass rush.

Saints just traded up to get Davenport last year to boost their pass rush.

Bears spent a first round pick on Floyd before trading multiple picks including 2 first round picks to land Mack.

It's such a joke that he thinks you can just pass on top end pass rushers because the Pats are always drafted in the late rds. They're not the norm. NE's D is all scheme and player fit. Similar to us on offense.

Also pretty sure they spent a first on jones a couple yrs ago.

BB would have taken Chubb last year if he could have. Would do the same with Bosa this year if given the chance.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I think it's because they know Thomas is sliding to his proper position inside next to Buck. Imo Bosa or trade down at this point.

That's where I'm at

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Most of those are mid 1st round and again similar talent was there in later rounds. Texans don't win so thanks for showing everybody how not to build a team.

Mack and miller the exception, Mack is great individually but doesn't justify his contract as far as impact to the defensive unit, raiders were garbage w him and he couldn't and won't get the bears over the hump, just not worth the $$. Miller is great but that super bowl defense had great front 7 and arguably the nfls the best secondary. Now w/o the gamers on the back end Denver is once again a middling defense unable to improve because they over invested into DE.

Texans didn't win because of poor QB play not because of defense. You need some sort of balance.

SF has a good young QB check
SF has two good OTs check
SF has good young DTs and a pro-bowler check
SF has NOTHING at edge
SF also needs help at CB but this draft is poo there.
SF needs a upgrade at WR there isn't anything worth that at 2

Stop pushing the concept that you don't need a good pass rusher off the edge because you don't like Bosa

Originally posted by evil:

BB would have taken Chubb last year if he could have. Would do the same with Bosa this year if given the chance.

It would be a reach to make that assumption. It's not just bb, all good defensive coaches place a premium on versatile lbs/safetys and top corners. Not to say pass rush isn't important but you can generate it with a solid front 7 -and the less you rely on a single player to do it, the less likely a good offensive team will be able to exploit it.

I don't think he athetically compares to Mack (vertical, broad jump, 40 Mack smokes him) but at 15 pounds heavier and being white I guess that's understandable.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

It would be a reach to make that assumption. It's not just bb, all good defensive coaches place a premium on versatile lbs/safetys and top corners. Not to say pass rush isn't important but you can generate it with a solid front 7 -and the less you rely on a single player to do it, the less likely a good offensive team will be able to exploit it.

And go look at who's paid the most on defense in the NFL. Edge is at the top.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by evil:

Steelers invested first round capital on TJ Watt and Bud Dupree in recent years.

Texans despite having Watt invested a first for Whitney Mercilus then a couple years later in Clowney.

Broncos have Von Miller yet invested first round picks in Shane Ray and Bradley Chubb.

Eagles drafted Derek Barnett in the first round in 2017 to boost their pass rush.

Saints just traded up to get Davenport last year to boost their pass rush.

Bears spent a first round pick on Floyd before trading multiple picks including 2 first round picks to land Mack.

Most of those are mid 1st round and again similar talent was there in later rounds. Texans don't win so thanks for showing everybody how not to build a team.

Mack and miller the exception, Mack is great individually but doesn't justify his contract as far as impact to the defensive unit, raiders were garbage w him and he couldn't and won't get the bears over the hump, just not worth the $$. Miller is great but that super bowl defense had great front 7 and arguably the nfls the best secondary. Now w/o the gamers on the back end Denver is once again a middling defense unable to improve because they over invested into DE.

You do not get to move the goalposts on the discussion.

You said good teams do not invest premium capital and I just showed they do. A first round pick is premium capital.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by evil:

BB would have taken Chubb last year if he could have. Would do the same with Bosa this year if given the chance.

It would be a reach to make that assumption. It's not just bb, all good defensive coaches place a premium on versatile lbs/safetys and top corners. Not to say pass rush isn't important but you can generate it with a solid front 7 -and the less you rely on a single player to do it, the less likely a good offensive team will be able to exploit it.

Belichick told Chubb there was no chance he would land him because they held the 31st pick. But Bill is not adverse to taking a pass rusher in the first round, he did it with Chandler Jones then traded him because they were not going to be able to pay him due to their cap situation.

Originally posted by evil:

Belichick told Chubb there was no chance he would land him because they held the 31st pick. But Bill is not adverse to taking a pass rusher in the first round, he did it with Chandler Jones then traded him because they were not going to be able to pay him due to their cap situation.

And they won't pay flowers either, hence they don't pay the premium that the market fetches at the position. Draft wise, Premium capital as in a #2 which is worth 2+ mid round 1sts and some

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I don't think he athetically compares to Mack (vertical, broad jump, 40 Mack smokes him) but at 15 pounds heavier and being white I guess that's understandable.

Mack was better at drills where being lighter helps no doubt.

They were comparable on all the agility drills their game imo is also very similar

Another guy who gets comped to Bosa as far as play goes is Dlaw. Bosa smoked him in every drill besides the 40 and Bosa is also 15lbs bigger than him.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

And they won't pay flowers either, hence they don't pay the premium that the market fetches at the position. Draft wise, Premium capital as in a #2 which is worth 2+ mid round 1sts and some

they don't pay anyone including their QB. Brady is the 16th highest paid QB in football.

NE is a unique situation...it's not the norm

the pats have followed the same pattern the last few years of stinking in sept, peaking in January. they do it with an "anonymous" pass rushing defense that happens to invest in quality vets at corners/safety. Is that why you say edge talent is overrated? Because the pats have a system that doesn't emphasize that, and peaks in January, but looks like a disaster in September?

You'r right. All we need is another hall of fame qb, hall of fame te, assistants that have been with the franchise for 20 years, and we will have a recipe for success.

Evil I'm all for using some capital on edge, find a jones or Jordan in the 20s or a flowers in the 4th, hunter in the 3rd, Campbell in 2nd, or grab someone like bennet for a 5th rounder like the pats just did. Bosa wont won't have more of an impact than any of those guys not because he isn't talented it's simply just not a position to spend a top 5 pick or top$$ on. We will trade out of #2 99.9%

Brodie over investing at de, high draft picks or $$ will set your team back. The league incorrectly overvalues individual production at that position. The teams that make premium investments there -top 10 picks- or top contracts -are losers

If you can't trade out of top 5 and DE is bpa go for it on rookie contract. We will have offers so trade back is inevitable -it's a sharp move good job lynch