Josh Sweat, EDGE, FSU

Originally posted by Heroism:

Traits are completely useless if an athlete doesn't know how to utilize them.

The tape reveals how those traits are used.

This guy gets it

From this link

https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl-draft/superlatives-for-edge-class-in-2018-nfl-draft/

At the 2018 NFL Scouting Combine, Josh Sweat proved that he is one of the most athletic edge defenders to ever declare for the NFL Draft. At 6-foot-4 and 251 pounds, Sweat was finished first or second among edge defenders in the 40-yard dash (4.53) along with the vertical (39.5) and broad jumps (10-foot-4). In the short shuttle — his worst event — Sweat finished fifth (4.28).

While it was masked a bit by Florida State using Sweat in non-traditional alignments, he was able to showcase his elite athleticism on gameday. Sweat uses his unnatural explosion and lateral agility to make impact plays against the run and pass. In the NFL, Sweat should play a more traditional edge role, which should maximize his incredible athletic ability.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by genus49:
Courtney Brown doesn't belong with those guys IMO. Dude just got Clevelanded. His tape was legit.

True statement. Then throw in that defensive end the falcons drafted back in the day I want to say Jamal Anderson but I think I'm confused with the RB

Jamaal Anderson, good call. He was definitely an overdraft due to measurements.

That draft had some monster talents though...

Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Darrelle Revis and our boy Joe Staley.

If only Willis didn't get hurt :(

Originally posted by Heroism:
Traits are completely useless if an athlete doesn't know how to utilize them.

The tape reveals how those traits are used.

Y'all ain't reading what I said right. I'm not saying Sweat is a sure-fire pick or that game tape doesn't matter. There are far more important things than elite athleticism for an edge guy but comparatively speaking compared to other positions it is much easier to turn an athlete into a star at EDGE than it is at any other position. Obviously, you want to see them put it together on tape but if they don't it's not the end of the world. It's the reason Sparq scores and the Waldo formula seem to work much better than average when it comes to edge players.

Originally posted by shmuck:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Traits are completely useless if an athlete doesn't know how to utilize them.

The tape reveals how those traits are used.

Y'all ain't reading what I said right. I'm not saying Sweat is a sure-fire pick or that game tape doesn't matter. There are far more important things than elite athleticism for an edge guy but comparatively speaking compared to other positions it is much easier to turn an athlete into a star at EDGE than it is at any other position. Obviously, you want to see them put it together on tape but if they don't it's not the end of the world. It's the reason Sparq scores and the Waldo formula seem to work much better than average when it comes to edge players.

For example, the 3cone is one of the better predictors. A sub 7 is pro bowl potential where as a guy over 7.3 typically doesn't become a great edge rusher.

Originally posted by Dillesq:
For example, the 3cone is one of the better predictors. A sub 7 is pro bowl potential where as a guy over 7.3 typically doesn't become a great edge rusher.

We all love 3-cone--trust me, I do as well, but again, we need to visit the tape and consider what type of edge rusher we're evaluating. Not all edge are the same. A bad 3-cone isn't a death sentence for a levers+hands+technique-based edge, such as Aldon Smith. But it matters a lot for an edge who's dependent on working the arc and creating space with things like change of direction, such as a Vic Beasley.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

For example, the 3cone is one of the better predictors. A sub 7 is pro bowl potential where as a guy over 7.3 typically doesn't become a great edge rusher.

We all love 3-cone--trust me, I do as well, but again, we need to visit the tape and consider what type of edge rusher we're evaluating. Not all edge are the same. A bad 3-cone isn't a death sentence for a levers+hands+technique-based edge, such as Aldon Smith. But it matters a lot for an edge who's dependent on working the arc and creating space with things like change of direction, such as a Vic Beasley.

Of course. A great 3 cone measures balance and ability to bend and flatten out to the QB. A sub 7 3-cone is great trait for volume sack guys (Von Miller for example).

Since 1999, the threshold for being a multiple all pro edge rusher was 7.11. The threshold for pro bowl is 7.37

It's not the end a be all, but it's a data point that should be taken into consideration when calculating and evaluating talent. Seems to me the niners are looking for more of a high volume sack speed rusher a la Cliff Avril with the Seahawks and given the guys we've signed. Which is why i believe sweat should be a target.

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by shmuck:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Traits are completely useless if an athlete doesn't know how to utilize them.

The tape reveals how those traits are used.

Y'all ain't reading what I said right. I'm not saying Sweat is a sure-fire pick or that game tape doesn't matter. There are far more important things than elite athleticism for an edge guy but comparatively speaking compared to other positions it is much easier to turn an athlete into a star at EDGE than it is at any other position. Obviously, you want to see them put it together on tape but if they don't it's not the end of the world. It's the reason Sparq scores and the Waldo formula seem to work much better than average when it comes to edge players.

For example, the 3cone is one of the better predictors. A sub 7 is pro bowl potential where as a guy over 7.3 typically doesn't become a great edge rusher.

We seem really interested in him. Hope you guys are right if we do take him. No denying his elite traits.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
We seem really interested in him. Hope you guys are right if we do take him. No denying his elite traits.

I'm glad we're doing our due diligence with guys like him. You have to dig a lot more into guys like this to see if they can translate all that talent to the NFL and keep getting better.

Originally posted by Dillesq:
Of course. A great 3 cone measures balance and ability to bend and flatten out to the QB. A sub 7 3-cone is great trait for volume sack guys (Von Miller for example).

Since 1999, the threshold for being a multiple all pro edge rusher was 7.11. The threshold for pro bowl is 7.37

It's not the end a be all, but it's a data point that should be taken into consideration when calculating and evaluating talent. Seems to me the niners are looking for more of a high volume sack speed rusher a la Cliff Avril with the Seahawks and given the guys we've signed. Which is why i believe sweat should be a target.

For sure.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I'd say edge rusher is the position that gets overdraffted due to freak athleticism more than any other position. But film is the end all as far as evaluation for any position. For edge rushers I want to see a non stop motor and discipline for gap control and good pad level and good hands. Those are the 4 most important traits to me and in that order.

You described Hercules Mata'afa to a T

We worked out josh sweat this week.

According to Matt Barrows, the team also met with Sweat at the combine.

This dude is probably a 4 year NFL player. Horrific knee injury in high school and then had part of meniscus removed from same knee in 2016. Probably a microfracture knee surgery candidate down the line. Probably pushing bone on bone.

Originally posted by pd24:

This dude is probably a 4 year NFL player. Horrific knee injury in high school and then had part of meniscus removed from same knee in 2016. Probably a microfracture knee surgery candidate down the line. Probably pushing bone on bone.

Thank your Dr. pd24, for the astute medical opinion. We will be seeking a 2nd opinion.