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Heroism · 2018-03-04T08:59:01-08:00

Dude is killing the combine 6'4" 251 lbs, 34 5/8" Arms 10 1/4" hands 4.53 40 1.55 10-yard split There were a few things I liked about him. I saved the following clips. That stab move is his money move. Stab to lure the hands and then club-rip. Love the balance to flatten. Using those 34 5/8" arms to stab while his eyes stay on the QB. Looked like he tried a little forklift with his off hand. Great leverage. When he gets off the ball with consistency, he's mighty impressive. The problem is his first step is egregiously inconsistent.

Mar 24, 2018 at 6:09 PM

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NYniner85
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Originally posted by Heroism:
I don't think Sweats plays to his athleticism either. That's why those numbers caught me off guard.

Who knows? FSU scheme didn't do him any favors, and maybe that knee brace hindered his athleticism. It sounds like he doesn't plan on using it moving forward.

Yeah there's a bunch of factors...everyone knew he was a athletic freak but it just didn't show up on tape.

Maybe a new coaching staff, football 24/7, and a better scheme could do wonders. Not gonna bet the farmer on it though

Mar 24, 2018 at 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sparq is great and all but that athletic ability doesn't always translate to the field back in 2015 Davis Tull was the top sparq score among all edge (higher than Beasley) dude was playing for the Saskatchewan Roughriders last yr.

I agree with BigMac sweat's get off isn't great at all. I'm glad SF is doing their homework on the kid, he had a horrific knee injury...craxy upside no doubt, gonna need the doctors to check that s**t out and he's gonna need coaching imo.

You are making a different argument then he did.

Mar 24, 2018 at 11:33 PM

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Sweat seems to know how to use his arms to work the blocker.
However, his lower body seems more questionable. Not sure that he can bend, convert speed to power, or has a good motor.
My guess is he's kind of a poor man's Marcus Davenport. Some team will probably try to unlock the speed-to-power and have him take a straight line to the QB.

Mar 25, 2018 at 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by zonkers:
Sweat seems to know how to use his arms to work the blocker.
However, his lower body seems more questionable. Not sure that he can bend, convert speed to power, or has a good motor.
My guess is he's kind of a poor man's Marcus Davenport. Some team will probably try to unlock the speed-to-power and have him take a straight line to the QB.

I think he can bend/flatten at an elite level. Just needs a better get off and more moves.

Mar 25, 2018 at 2:32 AM

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Sparq would disagree with you

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/edge/

Sparq is a good tool, though I don't see how he's top without a 3 cone, which IMO is the most important.

However what's the point if it doesn't translate to the field? My man Jeff Holland put it best "the underwear Olympics? Nah, not for me I'm a football player".

Sweat might just be getting healthier now, but I have major concerns.

Look at Jordan Willis last year, great Sparq, went to the same team as Carl Lawson, average Sparq, one had 1 sack, the other 8.5

https://3sigmaathlete.com/archive/2017s/edge/

[ Edited by 49erBigMac on Mar 25, 2018 at 5:03 AM ]

Mar 25, 2018 at 4:52 AM

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Originally posted by zonkers:
Sweat seems to know how to use his arms to work the blocker.
However, his lower body seems more questionable. Not sure that he can bend, convert speed to power, or has a good motor.
My guess is he's kind of a poor man's Marcus Davenport. Some team will probably try to unlock the speed-to-power and have him take a straight line to the QB.

Converting speed to power shows up on tape. Bend is questionable. He needs to learn it. He has the flexibility to do so based on his testing, but it's not something in his toolset her.

Mar 25, 2018 at 8:43 AM

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Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Sparq is a good tool, though I don't see how he's top without a 3 cone, which IMO is the most important.

However what's the point if it doesn't translate to the field? My man Jeff Holland put it best "the underwear Olympics? Nah, not for me I'm a football player".

Sweat might just be getting healthier now, but I have major concerns.

Look at Jordan Willis last year, great Sparq, went to the same team as Carl Lawson, average Sparq, one had 1 sack, the other 8.5

https://3sigmaathlete.com/archive/2017s/edge/

6.88 to 6.95 at his pro day

I have zero concerns at 59. Would not like to move up for him though.

Mar 25, 2018 at 9:09 AM

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Where is he projected to be drafted?

Mar 25, 2018 at 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Sparq is a good tool, though I don't see how he's top without a 3 cone, which IMO is the most important.

However what's the point if it doesn't translate to the field? My man Jeff Holland put it best "the underwear Olympics? Nah, not for me I'm a football player".

Sweat might just be getting healthier now, but I have major concerns.

Look at Jordan Willis last year, great Sparq, went to the same team as Carl Lawson, average Sparq, one had 1 sack, the other 8.5

https://3sigmaathlete.com/archive/2017s/edge/

6.88 to 6.95 at his pro day

I have zero concerns at 59. Would not like to move up for him though.

Really, out of everything I've said you've chosen to add his 3 come time??

I don't care how he tests, it just doesn't show up on the field.

Mar 25, 2018 at 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Really, out of everything I've said you've chosen to add his 3 come time??

I don't care how he tests, it just doesn't show up on the field.

Was giving you his 3 cone time.

You are welcome to not care how he tests. Just don't say he's not an elite athlete because he is. I don't know if it will ever translate consistently but I'd be willing to take that chance at 59 all day long. Once you get out the top 50 EVERYONE is a big risk in some form or another.

Mar 25, 2018 at 5:10 PM

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Was giving you his 3 cone time.

You are welcome to not care how he tests. Just don't say he's not an elite athlete because he is. I don't know if it will ever translate consistently but I'd be willing to take that chance at 59 all day long. Once you get out the top 50 EVERYONE is a big risk in some form or another.

I said he was trying to play like he was an elite athlete, but couldn't pull it off.

Don't worry it's not an attack, there are plenty of GM's who draft on potential and combine numbers.

They draft athletes in the hope they become good football players.

I'd rather draft good football players and hope they get by with their limited athleticism.

Example with Sweat, I'm sure he goes higher than Duke Eijofor and Jeff Holland, and I'm sure they'll have better careers.

Mar 27, 2018 at 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Where is he projected to be drafted?

Yeah I'd like to know also. Any of our resident expert Draft Philm guys have a notion where he can go? I would think that injury in High school would push him past the 3rd round. Usually rounds 1-4 are starters, and round 5-7 are developmental picks?

Mar 27, 2018 at 2:56 PM

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Originally posted by Giedi:
Yeah I'd like to know also. Any of our resident expert Draft Philm guys have a notion where he can go? I would think that injury in High school would push him past the 3rd round. Usually rounds 1-4 are starters, and round 5-7 are developmental picks?

Day 2, some stupid team will see his combine numbers, his high school rating and think they can make him the football player he was supposed to be. Just hope it isn't us

Mar 27, 2018 at 3:06 PM

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Locked on Niners podcast mock today has Sweat @ pick 59

Mar 28, 2018 at 2:45 AM

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Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Locked on Niners podcast mock today has Sweat @ pick 59

Seems like a good risk at that spot. But ideally I'm targeting a guard at that spot.. Possibly with a trade up.