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Jan 13, 2018 at 9:51 AM

Heroism
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Originally posted by JimmyJesus:
So if both wideouts are streaking, what happens in a single high safety defense?

This is incredibly vague. Both wideouts as in the #1 and #2 WR on the same side? Both wideouts out of 22 personnel? What does "both wideouts" mean?

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Jan 13, 2018 at 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by jcs:
Why?

In all seriousness they [Raiders] have one of the best lb crews in the league. What they have issues with is stopping the pass and desperately need a cb to keep Smith off the field

An interesting take to be sure...

[ Edited by adrianlesnar on Jan 13, 2018 at 10:12 AM ]

Jan 13, 2018 at 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
An interesting take to be sure...

Before they picked up Bowman, Marquel Lee and James Cowser were their starters at LB...

Worst LB core in the league.

[ Edited by Heroism on Jan 13, 2018 at 10:14 AM ]

Jan 13, 2018 at 3:11 PM

#979

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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by jcs:
Why?

In all seriousness they [Raiders] have one of the best lb crews in the league. What they have issues with is stopping the pass and desperately need a cb to keep Smith off the field

An interesting take to be sure...

Khalil Mack, Bruce Irvin and Bowman as a group are pretty good.

Jan 13, 2018 at 4:38 PM

#980

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They don't have a single off ball LB who isn't a liability in coverage. Which is exactly the position they would draft Roquan to play. It's the reason they signed Bowman in the first place, it's been a major need for years. I suppose we can agree to disagree that Bowman was in fact the long term answer.

Jan 14, 2018 at 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by JimmyJesus:
We're running an entire different defense, linebackers are less important, cornerbacks are much more important while running single high safety.

This is egregiously incorrect. This scheme is predicated on having good, athletic linebackers. The defense's biggest weakness is the area between the line of scrimmage and the hook/curl zones. what Saleh calls, "the kill zone." This a big reason why Bowman was shown the door. He couldn't chase after those underneath routes and RBs out of the backfield. It's why a premium is put on athleticism in this scheme.

Yup.

Seattle: Bobby Wagner/KJ Wright
Jax: Telvin Smith/MylesJack
Atlanta: Deion Jones/De'Vondre Campbell

SF: Froster/Malcolm Smith or Coyle?

If Quan is available at our pick, I hope we don't pass on him bc of the LBs already on the roster.

Jan 14, 2018 at 9:14 AM

#982

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Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Roquon has got to be higher up board's now.

He may not go to too high because of the fact that non of the teams in the top 8 needs a LB.

I worded it wrong. Has to be high up for us. Many reasons. He was my top pick before the arrest. Future All-Pro potential. The head and eyes of Chris Borland with off the charts athletic ability. I'll take that.

Jan 14, 2018 at 9:20 AM

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Originally posted by Gemini10:
Yup.

Seattle: Bobby Wagner/KJ Wright
Jax: Telvin Smith/MylesJack
Atlanta: Deion Jones/De'Vondre Campbell

SF: Froster/Malcolm Smith or Coyle?

If Quan is available at our pick, I hope we don't pass on him bc of the LBs already on the roster.

I agree Smith is a beast and I'm fine if he's the pick....the difference with all those guys you meantioned from Seattle/ATL/Jax is none were 1st rd picks. Gotta let adam peters do his job, hopefully he can find LBer talent outside of rd one.

Jan 14, 2018 at 9:23 AM

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Great prospect, but not too good to pass up. He's exclusively a 4-3 WILL at the next level. Not a need nor a great scheme fit for us. No thanks.

Jan 14, 2018 at 9:30 AM

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Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:
Great prospect, but not too good to pass up. He's exclusively a 4-3 WILL at the next level. Not a need nor a great scheme fit for us. No thanks.

We making stuff up now?

"he's not a great fit"

No, you're right, he's not a great fit but rather a perfect fit at Will, which is absolutely a need with Lynch and Shanahan intending to move Reuben to Mike.

[ Edited by Heroism on Jan 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM ]

Jan 14, 2018 at 9:32 AM

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Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:
Great prospect, but not too good to pass up. He's exclusively a 4-3 WILL at the next level. Not a need nor a great scheme fit for us. No thanks.

We making stuff up now?

"he's not a great fit"

No, you're right, he's not a great fit but rather a perfect fit at Will, which is absolutely a need with Lynch and Shanahan intending to move Reuben to Mike.

And I could've sworn I heard Foster and Saleh say that the Mike and Will are interchangeable, so I guess that does make Roquan Smith a perfect fit then!!!

Jan 14, 2018 at 9:34 AM

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Originally posted by Kolohe:
And I could've sworn I heard Foster and Saleh say that the Mike and Will are interchangeable, so I guess that does make Roquan Smith a perfect fit then!!!

As far as assignments, yup, the positions are identical. The difference is the Will gets to play behind the 3tech, so he sifts through less trash. Also, the Mike wears the green dot, relays calls, and makes sure everyone is aligned correctly. But they're both hook zone defenders with pattern-match responsibilities that rarely take them out of their zones.

[ Edited by Heroism on Jan 14, 2018 at 9:36 AM ]

Jan 14, 2018 at 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
And I could've sworn I heard Foster and Saleh say that the Mike and Will are interchangeable, so I guess that does make Roquan Smith a perfect fit then!!!

As far as assignments, yup, the positions are identical. The difference is the Will gets to play behind the 3tech, and the Mike wears the green dot, relays calls, and makes sure everyone is aligned properly.

IMO Roquan Smith is the type of ILB that can fit in ANY system, the kid is a baller!!!

Jan 14, 2018 at 9:45 AM

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Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:
Great prospect, but not too good to pass up. He's exclusively a 4-3 WILL at the next level. Not a need nor a great scheme fit for us. No thanks.

Lol he's most definitely a scheme! I'm sorry that makes no sense at all.

[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jan 14, 2018 at 9:46 AM ]

Jan 14, 2018 at 9:46 AM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I agree Smith is a beast and I'm fine if he's the pick....the difference with all those guys you meantioned from Seattle/ATL/Jax is none were 1st rd picks. Gotta let adam peters do his job, hopefully he can find LBer talent outside of rd one.

The league has experienced a paradigm shift in the LB archetype since those guys were drafted. Bobby Wagner and Deion Jones slipped to the second because they were "undersized." I don't think that happens today. Hell, 49ers used a first on Reuben, who is considered undersized by antiquated standards.

But I agree with you, NY. This class especially has some good LB prospects, so I'd have no issues with passing on Roquan and looking later for a Rashaan or Edmunds. The player taken at 9/10 better be BPA, tho.

[ Edited by Heroism on Jan 14, 2018 at 9:48 AM ]