Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
So it isn't true?

No for the multiple reasons that have already been covered.

1. DL is a much more impactful position in the league
2. Calvin Johnson was one of the best picks for that franchise and it was a 4th WR in the top 10 in 5 years, as I mentioned before if the Lions listened to people they would've passed up on CJ for Laron Landry
3. Shanahan & Lynch have 0 attachment to Baalke guys. Armstead hasn't shown enough to think he cannot be replaced

There were people that didn't want to draft CJ? He is probably the best WR prospect of all time, and at a minimum the best WR prospect since 2000. I believe many thought he was going to be the #1 pick, and I believe most had him as the #1 overall prospect that year.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
There were people that didn't want to draft CJ? He is probably the best WR prospect of all time, and at a minimum the best WR prospect since 2000. I believe many thought he was going to be the #1 pick, and I believe most had him as the #1 overall prospect that year.

There were certainly Lions fans who felt the team couldn't afford to use another early pick on a WR. That just proves that sometimes you can't think like that and you take the best guy on your board.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
"Better pass up on a largely flawless prospect because people might make fun of us."

Now let's say that 4 years down the road Thomas is an All Pro and Armstead is a backup somewhere, those same people would be like:

"Can't believe stupid Lynch passed up on Thomas."

Or we could say I wish we didn't draft a DE 3 years in a row with premium picks and the only one who made an impact was Deforest.

DE in a 3-4 and DE in a 4-3 are two different positions.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

DE in a 3-4 and DE in a 4-3 are two different positions.

Our base is 4-3 under and 4-3 under is in the most basic terms a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel.

Kyle has already said 75 percent won't be in base anyways so it doesn't really matter.

There's a reason why the NY Giants have the most expensive defensive line in the league.

Which team in the NFC West has given Seattle the most trouble, matches up the best over the last 2-3 years?

Why is that?

Originally posted by FL9er:

There's a reason why the NY Giants have the most expensive defensive line in the league.

Which team in the NFC West has given Seattle the most trouble, matches up the best over the last 2-3 years?

Why is that?

Very true, and the Rams have spent multiple first round picks on defensive lineman even though it will be hard to re-sign all of them we need him or Barrett

Originally posted by FL9er:
There's a reason why the NY Giants have the most expensive defensive line in the league.

Which team in the NFC West has given Seattle the most trouble, matches up the best over the last 2-3 years?

Why is that?

Also the reason they were able to beat the Pats in their two SBs. The miracle plays by Manning certainly helped but the only reason they had a chance was because their DL straight up dominated and took Brady down a notch.

Think they were upset they had Tuck, Osi, Strahan, Kiwanuka, etc?

Definitely not. We shouldn't worry about having too many first rounders on the DL. Just get the best guys and let it all get sorted out on the field.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
DE in a 3-4 and DE in a 4-3 are two different positions.

Our base is 4-3 under and 4-3 under is in the most basic terms a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel.

Kyle has already said 75 percent won't be in base anyways so it doesn't really matter.

4-3 under has 1 DE and that's not Thomas' primary position.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Thomas is a great pass rusher, the difference being that he is an interior pass rusher. He is not an edge rusher. He's more Aaron Donald than Von Miller

If the season started today Buckner would be the perceived starter at the 5 tech. In the Seahawks style defense, he is asked to two gap often. Buckner seems the most natural gifted to play this position of the current 49ers. Late last season I noticed teams adjusting in-game and beginning to run the ball away from Buckner. He's only going to get better in all phases of his game.

My question to you Maddog is if the niners do draft Thomas do you see them starting him at the 5 tech and moving Buckner to the three then on pass downs kicking Thomas inside with a probable rotation with Armstead? Or do they keep Buckner there in base and give Thomas the opportunity at the three tech. He may have to gain a little weight but he'd be asked to one gap and shoot upfield which is where he would have a chance to really make his prescence felt with his skill set?

I'm assuming Aldon was removed from our minds due to PTSD and it's been 40 years since we've seen a true edge rusher on this team, so fans thinking we can just move any interior lineman out to be an effective edge rusher from the premier LEO spot is understandable.

Leave Thomas, Blair, Armstead and Mitchell alone! And Brittany too!

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

DE in a 3-4 and DE in a 4-3 are two different positions.

Our base is 4-3 under and 4-3 under is in the most basic terms a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel.

Kyle has already said 75 percent won't be in base anyways so it doesn't really matter.

4-3 under has 1 DE and that's not Thomas' primary position.

No. Theres one DE and the Leo who is a DE or OLB , just needs to be a good pass rusher.

Once again. Coach said 75 percent isn't gonna be base d.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm assuming Aldon was removed from our minds due to PTSD and it's been 40 years since we've seen a true edge rusher on this team, so fans thinking we can just move any interior lineman out to be an effective edge rusher from the premier LEO spot is understandable.

Leave Thomas, Blair, Armstead and Mitchell alone! And Brittany too!

I just don't understand why people automatically assume he can't be a legit edge rusher? It's like his weight is the only thing people see.

I see a kid who goes the extra mile to get better, someone who has the athletic ability and desire to be the best. Why can't he be a legit edge rusher? I think Stanford used him the way they did because they felt that gave them a better competitive edge(no pun intended)

I think he has success wherever he plays in the NFL. Similar in a sense to Jimmie Ward. I think his best fit will be at FS but he did a pretty good job at nickel corner. That's what I think about Thomas in certain spots. He'll be pretty good though it may not be his ultimate spot....but he'll make plays wherever and inspire other guys to give their all while playing next to him.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
DE in a 3-4 and DE in a 4-3 are two different positions.

Our base is 4-3 under and 4-3 under is in the most basic terms a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel.

Kyle has already said 75 percent won't be in base anyways so it doesn't really matter.

4-3 under has 1 DE and that's not Thomas' primary position.

No. Theres one DE and the Leo who is a DE or OLB , just needs to be a good pass rusher.

Once again. Coach said 75 percent isn't gonna be base d.

LEO is comparable to a 3-4 OLB not DE. Nickel is a traditional 4 man front so I'm not sure what your point is?

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
If the season started today Buckner would be the perceived starter at the 5 tech. In the Seahawks style defense, he is asked to two gap often. Buckner seems the most natural gifted to play this position of the current 49ers. Late last season I noticed teams adjusting in-game and beginning to run the ball away from Buckner. He's only going to get better in all phases of his game.

My question to you Maddog is if the niners do draft Thomas do you see them starting him at the 5 tech and moving Buckner to the three then on pass downs kicking Thomas inside with a probable rotation with Armstead? Or do they keep Buckner there in base and give Thomas the opportunity at the three tech. He may have to gain a little weight but he'd be asked to one gap and shoot upfield which is where he would have a chance to really make his prescence felt with his skill set?

To me Thomas is the better fit on the outside over Buckner. I think if someone gets outside on either guy Thomas gets to him much quicker. I also think Buckner's size inside gives him an advantage when trying to bat passes down and his ability to push guys back helps the guys on the outside while preventing the QB from stepping up into the pocket.

But with the two of them we can play them depending on the strengths/weaknesses of the opposing OL. If their interior guys struggle with quickness well get Thomas in there to give them hell. If they struggle vs size get Buckner in there.

Once again, versatility is a good thing.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

LEO is comparable to a 3-4 OLB not DE. Nickel is a traditional 4 man front so I'm not sure what your point is?

A Leo is a hybrid of DE and LB. it's in the name! Lmao