Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by tjd808185:

He's not developing on 10 snaps. We'll get a 6th for him which is fine if Thomas is as advertised I just think it's a luxury.

If Thomas turns into a dominant DL then it wouldnt be seen as a luxury pick.



If Armstead at the same time looks anything worthwhile you could get a mid round pick from a 3-4 team looking for a DE.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Unfortunately, Eli hasn't lived up to what I'd hoped he'd be. Let's hope he turns it on this year. We've seen him rush, and he doesn't seem to live in the backfield and blow things up.

I've seen Solomon, and for me, "Leo" doesn't jump off the screen. " Really good 3tech if he adds some weight" does.

I rank pass rusher higher than most positions. Barnett does this better than anyone not named Myles. Is he worth the two? Don't know.

To me, Hooker is even more talented than anyone not named Myles, and also a position of need, and also has the potential to be the elite, elusive talent that's needed from the single high FS role in this D.

Oh okay so Eli hasn't lived up to what you'd hoped him be but hey AA can turn it around

To me Hooker is a good prospect but he's got one yr of experience, currently is injured, can't tackle, and from the sounds of has a lack of passion for the game. OH and he plays a position that over the grand scheme of the history of football isn't a position you draft high.

we simply aren't gonna agree on it...so might as well leave it at that

AA has shown his potential in 2015, and he even showed flashes (hurt) last year. But it was only when he was one gapping. I don't think he's a very good two gapper.

I haven't seen anything from Eli that I can remember.

Eli is only 23 yrs old, was very raw coming out of Virginia, pass rushers normally don't come into the NFL and go crazy unless your a rare breed..I think give the kid more time..look at the pass rushing free agents this yr, Ingram didn't do much his 1st yr then got hurt his 2nd I think, Perry was considered a bust until last yr..

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

AA has shown his potential in 2015, and he even showed flashes (hurt) last year. But it was only when he was one gapping. I don't think he's a very good two gapper.

I haven't seen anything from Eli that I can remember.

I'm sorry I haven't see squat from AA and I haven't seen squat from Eli both are in the same boat imo.

This what we are debating about end of the day...you think AA is gonna come around and be this productive person as 3-tech, which is a very important role in the 4-3 under. I think Ward is gonna be our single high safety, which is also a very important role... imo he has shown more production in the NFL and and actually shown he can play safety (Jim Thorpe finalist at the position) AA hasn't shown that in the NFL or college.

Hooker and Solomon are both elite talents at their positions it's all about who you think currently on our team has a future in SF.

I can't believe the hate on here for AA just for some of you to justify picking Soloman Thomas. It's a flat out witch hunt.

Last I checked AA is a 49er and Thomas is not.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Here's the link to AA grade 2015:


I don't think our DL woes are solved by losing Dorsey and adding Mitchell. I think our Dline can be really good with the addition of some Fat 2gapping 1Tech Nosetackles who can stay healthy for the whole darn year (please, Lynch, sign a fatty in FA, and draft Vanderdoes/Tui'akldoraakkUSC/Qualls, etc.). AND we need a Leo. This, in combination with, hopefully!, a scheme that is clear and concise to the DLineman, should allow our front to be really good. Something like this:

Buckner- FAT NT - Armstead - 2nd rd Leo pick

Dial, Mitchell, Blair, Jones can each backup 3t or 5t (obviously some would be better at one more so than the other). We need another Fat NT to backup the Fat NT, and then we cross our fingers that Lynch and/or Tank and/or Eli turn it on to backup our Leo.

I do agree with you (I think) that Leo isn't a huge need at this stage in the rebuild. We couldn't stop the run worth s**t last year, and we have to get that under control. I see that best happening with NTs and scheme, and health.

Thanks for that...I still didn't see him in the article I posted among the top 10 in PRP? Anyway, so he's a 3rd down pass rusher in certain packages? That's not stopping me from drafting the best run stopper in the country who happens to be a top end pass rusher as well.

I'll add the other names you mentioned are all back end depth nothing more. If you have a chance at taking someone who's got justin smith or aaron Donald talent you do it.

This draft is a great one for DBs and DLmen.

Given the issues on the roster last year, the change in scheme and the fact that this new regime has 0 connections to the guys on this roster that were drafted by Baalke to me Thomas makes the most sense.

He's able to help us on the field both stopping the run and rushing the passer. The more talent we have on the DL the easier it makes things for the secondary and linebackers. He brings exactly what Lynch and Shanahan wants in "culture changing players" and great locker room leaders.

He has no off the field concerns, no injury concerns, no lack of passion or lack of effort concerns. The biggest concern with him is where he'll play but I've yet to watch his tape and say "damn he has no business playing there"

Versatility should not be looked upon as a bad thing. He doesn't need to add weight because he gets manhandled. He doesn't need to add speed because he's slow and all bullrush. Obviously if he got stronger and faster nobody would complain but the point is he's not a one trick pony.

Hooker is a great prospect, Lattimore is a great prospect. They're sexy and I'd love to have both of them here.

However we can only pick one guy. Our secondary was easily the strength of our defense last year and that was with an awful pass rush in front of them. If we want to give anyone a chance then it should be the guys who actually played well enough given the circumstances.

Hooker has great potential and could be a future stud safety but at #2 I want the best bang for the buck. Shoulder injury to a guy who should be laying big hits on guys is a red flag, not end of the world but it's concerning because you don't see much out of him during the offseason process. One year starting and no offseason to show more is a tough evaluation. Ditto for Lattimore.

Thomas has no concerns like that. He's had two seasons to show what he can do. No injury concerns, no off the field stuff.

He's the safest pick, hits a big need and best available talent at his position.

This draft has some really good safeties and corner prospects if we want to address secondary after #2. But the talented guys we have will look even better with Thomas doing his thing up front.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

I can't believe the hate on here for AA just for some of you to justify picking Soloman Thomas. It's a flat out witch hunt.

Last I checked AA is a 49er and Thomas is not.

It's not hate it's being realistic...I can't believe the blind love some of you have for him. Please show me some of his top end talent? Where's the film?

Go look back at the AA thread I constantly defended him, but that was before we changed schemes and had a chance at drafting a superior prospect in Thomas. AA wasn't the 17th best player in that draft and a new GM/HC shouldn't have to pass up top end talent for some other GM's mistake

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
I love Soloman Thomas.

He can play anywhere and will play with 100% effort and passion. When Lynch was talking up Earl Mitchell he talked about working hard, setting and example and running to the ball. Watch plays of Thomas chasing down running backs on screens or tosses. He goes 100 miles an hour all the time.

A few other things:

*Earl Mitchell is not a NT. Never has been. He is a penetrating DT who has never been stout vs the run. I don't think we are done at the NT position and we will look to add a true run stuffer for the middle of our D-line.

*I don't see a spot for Arik Armstead (6'7, 300), Quinton Dial (6'5, 320) or Ronald Blair (6'2, 285) on the D-line. Where will they play? Just because Armstead was a high draft pick does not mean we will play him where he doesn't fit. He is not a DE in a 4-3. He lacks the explosiveness to bend the edge. He is not a DT because he doesn't play with leverage and will get owned in the run game. I think he will get moved. I love Blair but again, where does he fit? We may keep him around at DE if Harold doesn't show anything.

*We need to add at least one more speed rusher (Jordan Willis) to fit the role Frank Clark plays on nickle downs when our LDE (Michael Bennett) slides in to DT to replace the NT on passing downs. Soloman Thomas is a perfect fit to be our Michael Bennett.

Draft:

1- Solomon Thomas, DE- Stanford 6'3, 273
The announcers in the North Carolina game said it best. "Soloman Thomas, Whats your position? Football" This guy is a monster. He singlehandedly takes over games. His work ethic, passion and leadership are second to none. Line him up at LEO, line him up at DT. Put him at OLB. It doesn't matter. He will make plays and fly to the ball. I don't care that we took two D linemen in consecutive years. Those were Baalke's picks. Thomas will be Lynch's first ever pick and if he is anything like Justin Smith he will be a dominant force and a team leader for a decade. I really like Marshon Lattimore but it starts in the trenches. He will play the role that Michael Bennett plays in Seattle.

2- Jordan Willis, DE- Kansas State 6'3, 255
Pure, explosive pass rusher. Might be the best speed rusher in the draft. Very similar to Cliff Avril in Seattle. We desperatley need a pass rush to make this D work. A nickel D line of Jordan Willis - Soloman Thomas - DeForest Buckner could be deadly.

3- Dalvin Tomlinson, NT- Alabama 6'3, 310
Wins with leverage, power and technique. Beast of a man who is also very smart and could have gone to Harvard. He is leader and a model citizen. I love this guy.

Seahawks D-Line:

LDE- Michael Bennett (6'3, 273) ----- Frank Clark (6'1, 270)
NT- Ahtyba Rubin (6'3, 330) ----- John Jenkins (6'4, 345)
DT- Jarran Reed (6'3, 310) ---- Tony McDaniel (6'7, 305)
RDE- Cliff Avril (6'3, 260) ----- Damontre Moore (6'4, 250)

Nickel D-Line

LDE- Frank Clark
DT- Michael Bennett
DT- Jarran Reed
RDE- Cliff Avril

Compared to ours:

LDE- Soloman Thomas (6'3, 273) -----Jordan Willis (6'3, 255)
NT- Dalvin Tomlinson (6'3, 310) ----- Mike Purcell (6'3, 305)
DT- DeForest Buckner (6'7, 300) ---- Earl Mitchell (6'2, 296)
RDE- Aaron Lynch (6'5, 249) ---- Eli Harold (6'3, 247) or Ronald Blair (6'2, 285)

Nickel D-Line:

LDE- Jordan Willis
DT- Soloman Thomas
DT- DeForest Buckner
RDE- Aaron Lynch

It just makes sense to re-work the D-lines. We don't have the personell to run the scheme Shanahan and Lynch want to run so we will look to the draft to find guys that fit. Thomas, Willis and Tomlinson are absolutly prefect for what we run and are high character guys while Armstead, Blair and Dial are not.

^---once again what changed since then?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

I can't believe the hate on here for AA just for some of you to justify picking Soloman Thomas. It's a flat out witch hunt.

Last I checked AA is a 49er and Thomas is not.

It's not hate it's being realistic...I can't believe the blind love some of you have for him. Please show me some of his top end talent? Where's the film?

Go look back at the AA thread I constantly defended him, but that was before we changed schemes and had a chance at drafting a superior prospect in Thomas. AA wasn't the 17th best player in that draft and a new GM/HC shouldn't have to pass up top end talent for some other GM's mistake

I'll agree with this, honestly Even in college he didn't jump off the tape, Buckner was always the guy..

Originally posted by genus49:

This draft is a great one for DBs and DLmen.

Given the issues on the roster last year, the change in scheme and the fact that this new regime has 0 connections to the guys on this roster that were drafted by Baalke to me Thomas makes the most sense.

He's able to help us on the field both stopping the run and rushing the passer. The more talent we have on the DL the easier it makes things for the secondary and linebackers. He brings exactly what Lynch and Shanahan wants in "culture changing players" and great locker room leaders.

He has no off the field concerns, no injury concerns, no lack of passion or lack of effort concerns. The biggest concern with him is where he'll play but I've yet to watch his tape and say "damn he has no business playing there"

Versatility should not be looked upon as a bad thing. He doesn't need to add weight because he gets manhandled. He doesn't need to add speed because he's slow and all bullrush. Obviously if he got stronger and faster nobody would complain but the point is he's not a one trick pony.

Hooker is a great prospect, Lattimore is a great prospect. They're sexy and I'd love to have both of them here.

However we can only pick one guy. Our secondary was easily the strength of our defense last year and that was with an awful pass rush in front of them. If we want to give anyone a chance then it should be the guys who actually played well enough given the circumstances.

Hooker has great potential and could be a future stud safety but at #2 I want the best bang for the buck. Shoulder injury to a guy who should be laying big hits on guys is a red flag, not end of the world but it's concerning because you don't see much out of him during the offseason process. One year starting and no offseason to show more is a tough evaluation. Ditto for Lattimore.

Thomas has no concerns like that. He's had two seasons to show what he can do. No injury concerns, no off the field stuff.

He's the safest pick, hits a big need and best available talent at his position.

This draft has some really good safeties and corner prospects if we want to address secondary after #2. But the talented guys we have will look even better with Thomas doing his thing up front.

Couldnt have said it better

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Here's the link to AA grade 2015:


I don't think our DL woes are solved by losing Dorsey and adding Mitchell. I think our Dline can be really good with the addition of some Fat 2gapping 1Tech Nosetackles who can stay healthy for the whole darn year (please, Lynch, sign a fatty in FA, and draft Vanderdoes/Tui'akldoraakkUSC/Qualls, etc.). AND we need a Leo. This, in combination with, hopefully!, a scheme that is clear and concise to the DLineman, should allow our front to be really good. Something like this:

Buckner- FAT NT - Armstead - 2nd rd Leo pick

Dial, Mitchell, Blair, Jones can each backup 3t or 5t (obviously some would be better at one more so than the other). We need another Fat NT to backup the Fat NT, and then we cross our fingers that Lynch and/or Tank and/or Eli turn it on to backup our Leo.

I do agree with you (I think) that Leo isn't a huge need at this stage in the rebuild. We couldn't stop the run worth s**t last year, and we have to get that under control. I see that best happening with NTs and scheme, and health.

Thanks for that...I still didn't see him in the article I posted among the top 10 in PRP? Anyway, so he's a 3rd down pass rusher in certain packages? That's not stopping me from drafting the best run stopper in the country who happens to be a top end pass rusher as well.

I'll add the other names you mentioned are all back end depth nothing more. If you have a chance at taking someone who's got justin smith or aaron Donald talent you do it.

If Thomas is drafted, I will homer it up big time. I'm just not on his bandwagon at this point, nor do I see it likely to happen unless he actually does get drafted.

And if he does get drafted, and is Aaron Donald for us, I'll look forward to the "I told u so"'s

Originally posted by jersey49er:

I'll agree with this, honestly Even in college he didn't jump off the tape, Buckner was always the guy..

Yup I remember watch AA during the draft process and was like who the hell is 44 it was clear as day who was the more polished prospect.

This could all be a moot point if we trade down but if we can't I think he has to be the pick.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

If Thomas is drafted, I will homer it up big time. I'm just not on his bandwagon at this point, nor do I see it likely to happen unless he actually does get drafted.

And if he does get drafted, and is Aaron Donald for us, I'll look forward to the "I told u so"'s

Likewise if it's hooker

Originally posted by genus49:

This could all be a moot point if we trade down but if we can't I think he has to be the pick.

Trade down is ideal but if not I agree