Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

A guy who, when healthy graded out very high and a guy that was chased by defenses we're trying to emulate do.

where did he grade out high? please show me all these amazing highlights of a productive DT??

You've been given the link several times. And no, I'm not going to search you tube for his play in 2015. We have talent and depth at DT (except NT).

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

We have talent and depth at DT (except NT).

Keep repeating it, after the 100th time it might be true.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
A guy who, when healthy graded out very high and a guy that was chased by defenses we're trying to emulate do.

where did he grade out high? please show me all these amazing highlights of a productive DT??

You've been given the link several times. And no, I'm not going to search you tube for his play in 2015. We have talent and depth at DT (except NT).

Our DT's helped lead this team to a 32nd overall raking on D, 32nd overall rating against the Run.

Originally posted by jcs:

Our DT's helped lead this team to a 32nd overall raking on D, 32nd overall rating against the Run.

Buckner, two of the worst defensive linemen in football last year and a 2016 5th round pick.




Right now the team has better depth at safety than DL.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

You're far more pessimistic than most about AA, .

No, I'm really not. He has a lot to prove.

I'm not more optimistic than most about AA. He needs to take a step up this year.

Ward is far more accomplished in the NFL than Armstead yet you have no problem pushing Hooker in front of him, convinced that he will be a better player but for some reason confident that Armstead is ready to blow up and be the franchise DL stud QB killer #1.

Whats up with that?

Whoa. Uh. I never said any of this. Straw man much?

I said: that I've never watched Ward play and thought "that's Earl Thomas". I have said exactly that watching Hooker.

I'm not pushing Hooker in front of him. I like Ward. I'm leaving Ward at starting CB, and he would also become the backup single high. We have a hole in the secondary no matter where Ward goes.

I never said anyting about AA blowing up or that he's a franchise DL or a stud QB killer. Never. Not one post, not even anywhere close to this. You're succumbing to hyperbole.

Please Try representing my posts more accurately.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

We have talent and depth at DT (except NT).

Keep repeating it, after the 100th time it might be true.

Are you saying we don't?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:

Our DT's helped lead this team to a 32nd overall raking on D, 32nd overall rating against the Run.

Buckner, two of the worst defensive linemen in football last year and a 2016 5th round pick.




Right now the team has better depth at safety than DL.

We have one player potentially capable of playing single high. We have three players capable of playing the 3tech.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Giant hole, yes. Who is playing Single high FS. if ward, then who's starting at cb?

A guy that can play all over the line sounds really nice. Can he be a stud Leo? I don't see it.

Barnett - I just watch games. I don't care much about broad jumps or spandex. Barnett gets in the backfield and he gets home. Barnett got more sacks, he got more TFLs, he broke Reggie Whites sack record. He's the second best Leo available.

You go back and forth selling Thomas as a Leo, then as a DT. Which is he - is he Justin smith or Chris Avril? If he's both, then he's the best player in the draft, and one of the best in draft history.

Brock and RR can play outside or Redmond for this yr...we also have 9 other draft picks and this is a very deep class at DB.

I like barnett, but solomon has the length speed and athletic edge over him..they both have non-stop motors....Thomas simply played inside doesn't mean he can't lineup outside when we need him too.

I'm not selling anything, go watch him play he goes out and plays the edge at times, but IMO is best suited inside...Why does LEO have to be the most important position for us? Bruce Irvin was far from the most important player for that D.

During the draft process Eli Harold was looked at as a LEO pass rusher http://seahawksdraftblog.com/virginias-eli-harold-is-very-seahawky even Lynch can rock the position (8th overall in PRP in 2015).

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Tony Jefferson 5th overall safety
Barry Church 10th overall safety...were both UDFA what's your point?

Who you drafting as a edge rusher at two?Drafting the 2nd best player in the draft is what needs to be done and it so happens he's a perfect fit for our defense, he can stuff the run and rush the passer...if you thought we were actually good at both last yr then you didn't watch many games.

Like I said if we can trade down it changes things...this is about who's the best talent at two and we need talent.

The point was you brought up rounds for every position of Seattle's great players but the one you want to pick. Left out that Bennett went completely undrafted. Oops.

I don't want to draft an edge rusher at 2 it's not there, I want an impact player and we'll get the pass rusher next year which is going to have to happen either way. We're either going to have to spend huge bucks on fa's or spend high picks because Bowser and Lynch aren't going to get it done. But going DL, DL, DL, DL is a recipe for disaster, you won't be able to keep that together. Get a position of need.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

A guy who, when healthy graded out very high and a guy that was chased by defenses we're trying to emulate do.

where did he grade out high? please show me all these amazing highlights of a productive DT??

You've been given the link several times. And no, I'm not going to search you tube for his play in 2015. We have talent and depth at DT (except NT).

Our DT's helped lead this team to a 32nd overall raking on D, 32nd overall rating against the Run.

Injuries, Our lack of a true NT, and the god awful scheme where no one knew what to do had nothing to do with this?

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
A guy who, when healthy graded out very high and a guy that was chased by defenses we're trying to emulate do.

where did he grade out high? please show me all these amazing highlights of a productive DT??

You've been given the link several times. And no, I'm not going to search you tube for his play in 2015. We have talent and depth at DT (except NT).

I've never been given the link so I have no idea what you're talking about...I've provided end of the yr Pass rush productivity (PRP) from PFF and I don't see AA on that list? https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-the-top-nfl-pass-rushers-this-season/

your not gonna search youtube for highlights because there's not anything to search for ...I've been one of his biggest supporters but truth be told he hasn't earned jack s**t and I haven't seen any improvement PLUS this FO has no ties to him.

We have ONE good DL in Bucker everyone is depth...not sure if you watched last yr but that DL was bad, how does losing Dorsey and getting Mitchell make it good all of a sudden?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Giant hole, yes. Who is playing Single high FS. if ward, then who's starting at cb?

A guy that can play all over the line sounds really nice. Can he be a stud Leo? I don't see it.

Barnett - I just watch games. I don't care much about broad jumps or spandex. Barnett gets in the backfield and he gets home. Barnett got more sacks, he got more TFLs, he broke Reggie Whites sack record. He's the second best Leo available.

You go back and forth selling Thomas as a Leo, then as a DT. Which is he - is he Justin smith or Chris Avril? If he's both, then he's the best player in the draft, and one of the best in draft history.

Brock and RR can play outside or Redmond for this yr...we also have 9 other draft picks and this is a very deep class at DB.

I like barnett, but solomon has the length speed and athletic edge over him..they both have non-stop motors....Thomas simply played inside doesn't mean he can't lineup outside when we need him too.

I'm not selling anything, go watch him play he goes out and plays the edge at times, but IMO is best suited inside...Why does LEO have to be the most important position for us? Bruce Irvin was far from the most important player for that D.

During the draft process Eli Harold was looked at as a LEO pass rusher http://seahawksdraftblog.com/virginias-eli-harold-is-very-seahawky even Lynch can rock the position (8th overall in PRP in 2015).

If Lynch comes in ready and in shape the LEO pass rusher isn't so big of a need with Harold and Tank as Depth..I think Harold is going to continue to get better, he's still a very young guy with potential..

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Giant hole, yes. Who is playing Single high FS. if ward, then who's starting at cb?

A guy that can play all over the line sounds really nice. Can he be a stud Leo? I don't see it.

Barnett - I just watch games. I don't care much about broad jumps or spandex. Barnett gets in the backfield and he gets home. Barnett got more sacks, he got more TFLs, he broke Reggie Whites sack record. He's the second best Leo available.

You go back and forth selling Thomas as a Leo, then as a DT. Which is he - is he Justin smith or Chris Avril? If he's both, then he's the best player in the draft, and one of the best in draft history.

Brock and RR can play outside or Redmond for this yr...we also have 9 other draft picks and this is a very deep class at DB.

I like barnett, but solomon has the length speed and athletic edge over him..they both have non-stop motors....Thomas simply played inside doesn't mean he can't lineup outside when we need him too.

I'm not selling anything, go watch him play he goes out and plays the edge at times, but IMO is best suited inside...Why does LEO have to be the most important position for us? Bruce Irvin was far from the most important player for that D.

During the draft process Eli Harold was looked at as a LEO pass rusher http://seahawksdraftblog.com/virginias-eli-harold-is-very-seahawky even Lynch can rock the position (8th overall in PRP in 2015).

Unfortunately, Eli hasn't lived up to what I'd hoped he'd be. Let's hope he turns it on this year. We've seen him rush, and he doesn't seem to live in the backfield and blow things up.

I've seen Solomon, and for me, "Leo" doesn't jump off the screen. " Really good 3tech if he adds some weight" does.

I rank pass rusher higher than most positions. Barnett does this better than anyone not named Myles. Is he worth the two? Don't know.

To me, Hooker is even more talented than anyone not named Myles, and also a position of need, and also has the potential to be the elite, elusive talent that's needed from the single high FS role in this D.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Injuries, Our lack of a true NT, and the god awful scheme where no one knew what to do had nothing to do with this?

Blame the scheme all you want but the skill level and talent level on the DLine was the biggest issue. Even Buckner struggled until the end of the season when he looked like he was figuring out the reality that he needs to learn to use leverage.

If you honestly evaluate this roster you will see that we really only have one good starting prospect on the DLine and the rest of the guys are backups in relation to the league and that guy is not AA.

The more I watch this kid the more I somewhat want him.
I'm a huge Hooker fan , and want him regardless, but if this is the pick I will be ok with it.

One thing I don't get though is people saying we don't need a D-lineman because we have enough depth and talent at the position already. I don't think it matters how much talent you have at the d-line, its not like the QB position where your back ups dont play.
When Seattle dominated the Broncos in the SB one thing that was apparent was the depth they had, their 2nd string d-lineman were one of the main reasons that team had such a dominant defense.

Looking back on that squad, they started
Avril-Bennet-McDonald-Clemons

The D-lineman subs for that game were..
DE- Red Bryant (later signed a 4 year 17mil contract with Jags)
DT- Brandon Mebane (Just signed a 3 year 13.5 mil contract with Chargers)
DE- O'Brien Schofield (Signed a contract 2 year 8 million with Giants)
DT- Tony McDaniel (still with team signed an extension worth 2-3 million)

Clearly the Hawks had too much depth at D-line lol, shame on them

Another example I can't help but compare this to is the Jets draft of 2015
At the time, the Jets had 2 of the best defensive lineman in NFL football (Wilk and Richardson)
Yet they found themselves at #6 with a chance to take Leonard Williams out of USC.
Kevin White was still there (they needed a WR) Vic Beasely was still there (they needed a pass rusher)
Yet they took BPA with Williams and fast forward to now, I would say it was the right decision.

Wouldn't be against Thomas