Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Lol nice...$54 million guaranteed isn't a discount though

It's a nice contract but not the $ he would of got without the accident. Miller got 70 mil guaranteed.

He's not Von miller never was even before the accident...he's got only two seasons of double digit sacks. Thats some serious cash and I agree he would have gotten even more with two full hands lol.

They have $125 million in guaranteed cash put into that DL

Originally posted by NYniner85:

He's not Von miller never was even before the accident...he's got only two seasons of double digit sacks. Thats some serious cash and I agree he would have gotten even more with two full hands lol.

They have $125 million in guaranteed cash put into that DL

That's not how fa always works. Miller got paid so the next top de will challenge him. I'll admit 125 is a lot but Buckner will command top DT $, a Leo is a necessity and will also end up being very costly, so where will that put us?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I don't think they align at Leo especially for a #2 pick. You want Avril athleticism sub 4.6. Combine that with him playing interior, most scouting reports kicking him inside and I don't see it. At least not there. At strong side there's a very good argument for him.

he's got enough speed and explosiveness to play on the edge, he's got the power to play inside...the only thing that's lacking is ideal length and that's not even awful compared to other edge rushers in this draft.

When talking about pass rushers I care more about the 20 yard shuttle, broad jump, and 3 cone to show that explosiveness and change of direction...throw in the bench as well. Guess what, Solomon was top five in all of those among edge rushers. Sounds athletic to me!

As far as Avril, Solomon had a better broad jump, shuttle, bench, and near identical 3 cone.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

That's not how fa always works. Miller got paid so the next top de will challenge him. I'll admit 125 is a lot but Buckner will command top DT $, a Leo is a necessity and will also end up being very costly, so where will that put us?

Who cares! That means we have good players and you pay them lol...Jesus dude you're worried about imaginary money 5 yrs from now to try and prove some point in not drafting a very good player.

Maybe we pay our DL and make that the fountain of the D? Maybe we don't pay top money for CBs and draft in develop at that spot. All I know is we suck and someone that can rush the passer AND stop the run will be sitting there at two...you worry about money when it happens in five yrs, you think lynch/shanny care about 5 yrs down the road? No they care about making the team better now. If we can't trade down grab the best player which imo is Thomas.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Never taken one single snap in the NFL and already better than both AA and Buckner? Oh the hyperbole!

Yet it's probably true.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who cares! That means we have good players and you pay them lol...Jesus dude you're worried about imaginary money 5 yrs from now.

You actually made these same cap arguments against Allen so don't act like you don't see it. I'm also worried about how it plays out now because if we decide Buckner is best at 5 that puts Thomas at a less than ideal position for him. I'm not as down on Armstead as others are and think he'll be a fine 3 tech where his job will be a 1 gap disruptor. Depth and some run cloggers are easy pickups. But yeah I said I'd let this go.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Who cares! That means we have good players and you pay them lol...Jesus dude you're worried about imaginary money 5 yrs from now.

You actually made these same cap arguments against Allen so don't act like you don't see it. I'm also worried about how it plays out now because if we decide Buckner is best at 5 that puts Thomas at a less than ideal position for him. I,'m not as down on Armstead as others are and think he'll be a fine 3 tech where is job is to be a 1 gap disruptor.

And you're totally contradicting everything you said earlier on how you wanted to draft Allen about a month ago...so here we are.

I think Thomas can play all over the line, you're the one that keeps trying to pigeonhole him to one position...it's gonna be fluid and their will be packages setup for different situations all yr. he's a chess piece that makes the defense better...end of the day that's all I care about is making the defense better and that's exactly what a guy like Thomas does.

He's athletic enough to play outside and strong enough to play inside...numbers and film back it up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who cares! That means we have good players and you pay them lol...Jesus dude you're worried about imaginary money 5 yrs from now.

You actually made these same cap arguments against Allen so don't act like you don't see it. I'm also worried about how it plays out now because if we decide Buckner is best at 5 that puts Thomas at a less than ideal position for him. I,'m not as down on Armstead as others are and think he'll be a fine 3 tech where is job is to be a 1 gap disruptor.

And you're totally contradicting everything you said earlier on how you wanted to draft Allen about a month ago...so here we are.

I think Thomas can play all over the line, you're the one that keeps trying to pigeonhole him to one position...it's gonna be fluid and their will be packages setup for different situations all yr. he's a chess piece that makes the defense better...end of the day that's all I care about is making the defense better and that's exactly what a guy like Thomas does.

He's athletic enough to play outside and strong enough to play inside...numbers and film back it up.

I could see him starting at weak side DE against the run because he's so good at it and bumping inside against the pass to take advantage of his current skills.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And you're totally contradicting everything you said earlier on how you wanted to draft Allen about a month ago...so here we are.

I think Thomas can play all over the line, you're the one that keeps trying to pigeonhole him to one position...it's gonna be fluid and their will be packages setup for different situations all yr. he's a chess piece that makes the defense better...end of the day that's all I care about is making the defense better and that's exactly what a guy like Thomas does.

He's athletic enough to play outside and strong enough to play inside...numbers and film back it up.

If we're already using Buckner like that I see it as a lot harder to play Thomas that way. If Buckner ends up being the 3 and AA is reduced to depth Thomas makes a lot more sense.

I'm excited to add this guy to our team. Building towards a dominant DL for years to come. Love to have him, Buckner and AA on the field at the same time.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I don't think they align at Leo especially for a #2 pick. You want Avril athleticism sub 4.6. Combine that with him playing interior, most scouting reports kicking him inside and I don't see it. At least not there. At strong side there's a very good argument for him.

He can play ANYWHERE. Just because Leo isn't the perfect spot for him doesn't mean he can't play there. You're making it sound like if he's lined up at Leo he'd basically be a deer in headlights.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Never taken one single snap in the NFL and already better than both AA and Buckner? Oh the hyperbole!

Yet it's probably true.

No actually. It's an opinion. Or a bias. To be true it needs supporting evidence.

I honestly can't believe someone wants to argue against drafting someone because 5 years down the line he'd have to get paid.

What the hell is going on here?

That's what you want as a team...to have so many good players that you have to worry about keeping them all. Look at the Patriots. When you get the right key pieces in place and you have a system which works you can plug in guys to keep the machine going.

Obviously Brady is a totally crazy situation not only because he's so damn good but also because he's married to Giselle and basically uses the Pats for his pocket change as she brings in the big bucks. Not a luxury many teams can have.

Still...having too much talent is the best problem to have. There's a reason we have this much cap space. There's a reason Cleveland has that much cap space.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Never taken one single snap in the NFL and already better than both AA and Buckner? Oh the hyperbole!

Yet it's probably true.

No actually. It's an opinion. Or a bias. To be true it needs supporting evidence.

Physical measurable, his play in college, his skill level with which is already more advanced than both AA and Buckner add to the probability that he's going to play better than both those guys next year.

I like Buckner but lets not convince ourselves that he was a locking down his side of the field against the run last year and AA...needs no explanation.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And you're totally contradicting everything you said earlier on how you wanted to draft Allen about a month ago...so here we are.

I think Thomas can play all over the line, you're the one that keeps trying to pigeonhole him to one position...it's gonna be fluid and their will be packages setup for different situations all yr. he's a chess piece that makes the defense better...end of the day that's all I care about is making the defense better and that's exactly what a guy like Thomas does.

He's athletic enough to play outside and strong enough to play inside...numbers and film back it up.

If we're already using Buckner like that I see it as a lot harder to play Thomas that way. If Buckner ends up being the 3 and AA is reduced to depth Thomas makes a lot more sense.

unfortunately I see AA reduced to depth, I've been a supporter but changing GM/HC/scheme changes things...this is what Lance Zierlein had to say about Solomon....

"If J.J. Watt is the gold standard for NFL defensive ends, the club that drafts Stanford defensive end Solomon Thomas just might strike it rich.

At 6-feet-3, 273 pounds, the Cardinal junior doesn't have quite have the size or length of Watt, the Houston Texans' three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year. But NFL.com analyst Lance Zierlein believes Thomas is similar to the player Watt was as a draft prospect out of Wisconsin.

"J.J. was good at Wisconsin, but he wasn't dominant. His motor was relentless and you could see the talent, but it didn't really click for J.J. as far as how to use his strength and power until about halfway through his rookie year," Zierlein said. "Thomas looks a lot like that right now. He's fluid, it looks effortless, he can string moves together. There's a wicked spin move there that he hasn't even fully developed yet. He can move around and play different spots. He doesn't have the arm length of a Watt and he's got to add some mass, but he looks like a smaller version of Watt. Both are physical freaks."

Zierlein said he was impressed with Thomas' play against some of the toughest competition he faced this season, against Notre Dame and Southern Cal. Although Thomas played some along the interior, he drew reps against three of the top tackles in college football in those two games: Chad Wheeler and Zach Banner of USC, and Mike McGlinchey of Notre Dame. Against the Fighting Irish, he recorded a game-high 12 tackles (10 solo) with 1.5 sacks and a forced fumble. Zierlein posted some impressive action from Thomas in that game via Twitter.

"I think he's a natural 5-tech who can rush the passer. But because he's such a good athlete, if you're an open minded defensive coordinator, you could let him play some 3-tech or even stand him up on the outside," Zierlein added. "He's so good with his hands, he can get to the quarterback from the inside. He won't let guys get a square shot. His hands and feet work in perfect unison and he's always working the blocker's edge. Once he's in that seam, you're finished."

Greg Gabriel of the National football post and a former scout for the Giants said Buck in a 4-3 would be will suited at the 3-tech or 5-tech. He could be a Cam Jordan type of DE (this was talked about during the draft process last yr). Both Buck and Thomas can be thrown all around that line.

We are gonna be in nickle a ton and that makes Thomas even more valuable IMO.