Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by tjd808185:

You really think Lynch and Bowser will hold up at Leo and Sam? We're going to have to do a lot more than that. I get it's not a 1 rebuild but you're throwing out our 1st and 2nd round picks and we still have a sh line.

welp good thing that's you opinion and not a fact

Thomas makes the team better all around, then going after someone like Williams/Harris at 34 improves the LEO position (which we now have lynch and a rookie to compete). Eli can work the SAM or we upgrade it next yr.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
What makes it a terrible comp?

For starters, Thomas is not a natural edge rusher on any level. Michael Bennett is and that's why he can toggle between the 5T and LEO. He's also so good against the run (hence we he plays the 5T mostly), they've used his pass rush on the interior at times. But he's a true edge rusher and whether it's Bennett, Irvin, Clark, etc. you can rotate them on the ends. Just like we'd rotate Micthell, Armstead, Thomas and Blair inside.

Ok, but by your reasoning Bennett isn't a "natural" inside player himself and he has excelled in that role. Thomas' measuresables exceed those of Bennett's which one should take into account regarding his potential as an outside player.

Bennett is not a natural interior pass rusher. He's just such a good pass rusher, they use him there sparingly as a change of pace and to create a different look and mismatch from time to time. But Pete would never keep him as an interior rusher when his strength is an edge rusher. I think fans are trying WAY too hard to make players into something they just aren't. Just like in FA, ShanaLynch are identifying player-fits for their systems. This is no different. Thomas is a natural interior pass rusher and excels in run defense. He's a perfect player for this defense at the 3T. Can we use him in spot duty over at LDE/5T from time to time? Sure!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
You really think Lynch and Bowser will hold up at Leo and Sam? We're going to have to do a lot more than that. I get it's not a 1 rebuild but you're throwing out our 1st and 2nd round picks and we still have a sh line.

welp good thing that's you opinion and not a fact

Thomas makes the team better all around, then going after someone like Williams/Harris at 34 improves the LEO position (which we now have lynch and a rookie to compete). Eli can work the SAM or we upgrade it next yr.

This. If Garrett was available to us this year, great. One critical need filled. Since he's not, you look for speedy, explosive ER's from the 2nd pick on. And if have a chance to get an Avril, Bennett, Aldon, Ware, Garrett, Miller, etc. next year, pull the trigger and complete the DL!

Originally posted by jreff22:

Harris will go in the first.
We won't touch Williams.
Tak is hurt.

Everybody else is a big reach

We can move up in the first did it last yr...im going off CBs draft big board what are you going off of? Hooker is hurt you want to draft him at two?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
You really think Lynch and Bowser will hold up at Leo and Sam? We're going to have to do a lot more than that. I get it's not a 1 rebuild but you're throwing out our 1st and 2nd round picks and we still have a sh line.

welp good thing that's you opinion and not a fact

Thomas makes the team better all around, then going after someone like Williams/Harris at 34 improves the LEO position (which we now have lynch and a rookie to compete). Eli can work the SAM or we upgrade it next yr.

This. If Garrett was available to us this year, great. One critical need filled. Since he's not, you look for speedy, explosive ER's from the 2nd pick on. And if have a chance to get an Avril, Bennett, Aldon, Ware, Garrett, Miller, etc. next year, pull the trigger and complete the DL!

Yup!

When we pick, I think it will go down to the wire w/us waiting for a good deal.

But in the end we'll take Thomas and get an excellent player.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Harris will go in the first.
We won't touch Williams.
Tak is hurt.

Everybody else is a big reach

We can move up in the first did it last yr...im going off CBs draft big board what are you going off of? Hooker is hurt you want to draft him at two?

I never mentioned Hooker.

I'm going off their board too. Williams is a head case, won't happen. Harris will be a day 1 pick IMO. And Tak is hurt.

What part of any of that is confusing you?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

What makes it a terrible comp?

For starters, Thomas is not a natural edge rusher on any level. Michael Bennett is and that's why he can toggle between the 5T and LEO. He's also so good against the run (hence we he plays the 5T mostly), they've used his pass rush on the interior at times. But he's a true edge rusher and whether it's Bennett, Irvin, Clark, etc. you can rotate them on the ends. Just like we'd rotate Micthell, Armstead, Thomas and Blair inside.

Ok, but by your reasoning Bennett isn't a "natural" inside player himself and he has excelled in that role. Thomas' measuresables exceed those of Bennett's which one should take into account regarding his potential as an outside player.

Bennett is not a natural interior pass rusher. He's just such a good pass rusher, they use him there sparingly as a change of pace and to create a different look and mismatch from time to time. But Pete would never keep him as an interior rusher when his strength is an edge rusher. I think fans are trying WAY too hard to make players into something they just aren't. Just like in FA, ShanaLynch are identifying player-fits for their systems. This is no different. Thomas is a natural interior pass rusher and excels in run defense. He's a perfect player for this defense at the 3T. Can we use him in spot duty over at LDE/5T from time to time? Sure!

Perfect as a 3T in Nickel yes. But I don't know of any 270 lbs 3Ts in the league and he has gained weight since the season just to be at that.

Originally posted by NCommand:
This. If Garrett was available to us this year, great. One critical need filled. Since he's not, you look for speedy, explosive ER's from the 2nd pick on. And if have a chance to get an Avril, Bennett, Aldon, Ware, Garrett, Miller, etc. next year, pull the trigger and complete the DL!

Or you can upgrade another position and then bring in the right player that actually completes the d. Last time I checked our 94 championship had Deion and Rod Woodson too. Seattle has Earl, Sherman. Just building up 1 piece of a 10 piece puzzle is bound to come up short.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This. If Garrett was available to us this year, great. One critical need filled. Since he's not, you look for speedy, explosive ER's from the 2nd pick on. And if have a chance to get an Avril, Bennett, Aldon, Ware, Garrett, Miller, etc. next year, pull the trigger and complete the DL!

Or you can upgrade another position and then bring in the right player that actually completes the d. Last time I checked our 94 championship had Deion and Rod Woodson too. Seattle has Earl, Sherman. Just building up 1 piece of a 10 piece puzzle is bound to come up short.

Rod Woodson in 94?? McDonald, Hanks, Sanders and Davis

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NCommand:

This. If Garrett was available to us this year, great. One critical need filled. Since he's not, you look for speedy, explosive ER's from the 2nd pick on. And if have a chance to get an Avril, Bennett, Aldon, Ware, Garrett, Miller, etc. next year, pull the trigger and complete the DL!

Or you can upgrade another position and then bring in the right player that actually completes the d. Last time I checked our 94 championship had Deion and Rod Woodson too. Seattle has Earl, Sherman. Just building up 1 piece of a 10 piece puzzle is bound to come up short.

Good thing nobody expects us to complete the puzzle in one draft

Originally posted by jreff22:
I never mentioned Hooker.

I'm going off their board too. Williams is a head case, won't happen. Harris will be a day 1 pick IMO. And Tak is hurt.

What part of any of that is confusing you?

So who you drafting at two? Barnett? he's not worth the number two pick in the draft not even close. Harris is at pick 32 we have the 34th you telling me if we really like the kid we can't move up with all the mid tier picks we have?

Takk has the speed and length that everyone is crying about on here for the LEO...dude put up 24 on the bench with a torn labrum. I got no problem going after him if he's there at 34.

all this crying about the "LEO" is silly we have Lynch who was the 8th highest PRP in the league in 2015 (was hurt this yr). This draft is chalk full of edge rushers...go watch Rivers he's the perfect LEO and can be had in the 2nd or 3rd.

Like I said Mayock has Solomon as his number two edge rusher...I'll take his word over yours as far as who can rush the passer and who can't. Don't be mad cause he man handled your Irish

Originally posted by JBrack:
Good thing nobody expects us to complete the puzzle in one draft

The point is we just swapped pieces. If Garrett was there that's an addition that could lead to an elite line. Garrett, AA/ Mitchell, Mitchell/ nt, Buckner is already a great emerging line. With Thomas you're still about 15 sacks short from the edge.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
What makes it a terrible comp?

For starters, Thomas is not a natural edge rusher on any level. Michael Bennett is and that's why he can toggle between the 5T and LEO. He's also so good against the run (hence we he plays the 5T mostly), they've used his pass rush on the interior at times. But he's a true edge rusher and whether it's Bennett, Irvin, Clark, etc. you can rotate them on the ends. Just like we'd rotate Micthell, Armstead, Thomas and Blair inside.

Ok, but by your reasoning Bennett isn't a "natural" inside player himself and he has excelled in that role. Thomas' measuresables exceed those of Bennett's which one should take into account regarding his potential as an outside player.

Bennett is not a natural interior pass rusher. He's just such a good pass rusher, they use him there sparingly as a change of pace and to create a different look and mismatch from time to time. But Pete would never keep him as an interior rusher when his strength is an edge rusher. I think fans are trying WAY too hard to make players into something they just aren't. Just like in FA, ShanaLynch are identifying player-fits for their systems. This is no different. Thomas is a natural interior pass rusher and excels in run defense. He's a perfect player for this defense at the 3T. Can we use him in spot duty over at LDE/5T from time to time? Sure!

Perfect as a 3T in Nickel yes. But I don't know of any 270 lbs 3Ts in the league and he has gained weight since the season just to be at that.

His weight is a bit of a concern but that 3T spot is designed more for quickness and interior pass rushing. Sure, going up against 340 G's could pose a challenge at first until he can pack on more muscle/weight and technique. The right side of the DL is designed for pass rush so you have smaller, quicker, more explosive players there as it's the blind side of the QB. The left side is typically your strong side where you have your bigger bodies like NT and the 5T (run defenders freeing up the pass rushers).

Originally posted by tjd808185:

The point is we just swapped pieces. If Garrett was there that's an addition that could lead to an elite line. Garrett, AA/ Mitchell, Mitchell/ nt, Buckner is already a great emerging line. With Thomas you're still about 15 sacks short from the edge.

No we're upgrading not swapping big difference

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by JBrack:
Good thing nobody expects us to complete the puzzle in one draft

The point is we just swapped pieces. If Garrett was there that's an addition that could lead to an elite line. Garrett, AA/ Mitchell, Mitchell/ nt, Buckner is already a great emerging line. With Thomas you're still about 15 sacks short from the edge.

Maybe. But you need both pieces and you can only take what's available to you. Damn Rams! Anyhow, Garrett has the ability to give you double digit sacks outside. That would have been ideal for our LEO. If not him, Thomas has the ability to give you similar production but inside and that's equally important.