Harold Landry Boston College DE/OLB

Originally posted by GorefullBore:

Landy is who I want the Niners to take, even if it's at 9. I think he is more the player he was as a Junior than what he showed this year. I think he's got a little Von Miller to him, and would be dynamite at the Leo spot or even as a Sam.

I agree I would take Landry with our 9th pick because he is a great player at a need for a pass rusher . Plus he fits our scheme . If we could trade back to 11 or the 12th pick and still get Landry that's what I would do .

A lot to like. He has serious deficiencies in this body makeup though. Under 33' inch arms, not quite the athlete that other prospects were like Cliff Avril (34.63 arms) or Miller. You have to like the quickness though. When you watch entire games he gets swallowed up in the running game pretty good. He will struggle mightily to set an edge in the NFL. He will struggle keeping people's hands off of him.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by Butter:

I went back to 2016 and watched Draftbreakdown cuts from Maryland, Virginia Tech and Clemson (with Deshaun Watson). If someone watches highlight films, there is a lot to love. Landry dips on the right side for a strip sack, split a double team for a TFL, shed an initial block, dropped into coverage and showed amazing body control for an INT.

However, the majority of the snaps, as soon as the OT got their hands on him, he was completelu washed out of the play. When the other team doubled him, he was pretty much invisible.

He does have great flash plays, but I dont see a consistently dominant player who can beat a double team.

Id be ok if the Niners traded down for him, but I dont see a top q0 player.

Let me know if you see him differently.

Ima check those games out . He was a force the entire game vs Clemson and rarely ever got washed out of plays.


He doesn't need to beat double teams. If they wanna double team him then go for it. You got Solly and Buck runnin up the middle then. Remember when we had Justin smith drawing double teams so Aldon could get 1 on 1s

He did look good versus Clemson. There was one play when Watson broke contain and ran to the right. He tries to juke Landry, but Landry stayed with him and took him down. Watson is no Michael Vick, but I saw good open field athleticism from Landry on that play.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Butter:

I went back to 2016 and watched Draftbreakdown cuts from Maryland, Virginia Tech and Clemson (with Deshaun Watson). If someone watches highlight films, there is a lot to love. Landry dips on the right side for a strip sack, split a double team for a TFL, shed an initial block, dropped into coverage and showed amazing body control for an INT.

However, the majority of the snaps, as soon as the OT got their hands on him, he was completelu washed out of the play. When the other team doubled him, he was pretty much invisible.

He does have great flash plays, but I dont see a consistently dominant player who can beat a double team.

Id be ok if the Niners traded down for him, but I dont see a top q0 player.

Let me know if you see him differently.

Good analysis. Now, watch our defense. How often does a LEO get doubled? How often do they play static at the LOS? His job in run support at BC wouldn't be identical to what he'd do here.

Thats true. One question I have for you draft guru's is your evaluation of how Landry uses his hands. There were a few times when I saw him shed blockers, but it seems like he let them get into his chest a lot.

Also, how do you evaluate his counter moves when his dip is taken away?

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Just saw the Maryland game butter and not sure what you expect out of a pass rusher. He had a sack. A lot of pressure, caused qb to leave pocket often . Got doubled half the game and that allowed his teammates to get 1 on 1 matchups. He had an interception and deflected 2 passes.

He got stonewalled a couple times on double teams.

Pass rushers don't get the qb every single play. Nobody has the energy for that. For example, if pass rusher has 16 sacks in a season that's ridiculous. But the average still only comes out to 1 a game.


Even the great Myles Garrett gets stonewalled by double teams. And doesnt get the qb every play.

GoB, I thought Clemson was one of his better games. Youre right, no one is 100% highlight film. Im more worried about the majority of his low lights. There were a lot of plays when a single blocker walled him off and. RB broke big runs, or the QB had a lot of time in the pocket.

Because of his smaller size, hes not going to win with power very often in the NFL. Like I said in the previous post, Id like to see him develop his hand use and some counter moves, which he may br fully capable of doing.

Originally posted by Butter:
GoB, I thought Clemson was one of his better games. Youre right, no one is 100% highlight film. Im more worried about the majority of his low lights. There were a lot of plays when a single blocker walled him off and. RB broke big runs, or the QB had a lot of time in the pocket.

Because of his smaller size, hes not going to win with power very often in the NFL. Like I said in the previous post, Id like to see him develop his hand use and some counter moves, which he may br fully capable of doing.

I'm pretty sure Harold said he's working on his hands and considering he worked to get his bend and edge move to the level that he's at I'm sure he can develop some great moves to counter his speed rush and make it a nightmare for OTs.

As far as size concerns. Khalil Mack was pretty much the same size coming into the league and he's got some of the best hands and punch in the game.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Butter:
I went back to 2016 and watched Draftbreakdown cuts from Maryland, Virginia Tech and Clemson (with Deshaun Watson). If someone watches highlight films, there is a lot to love. Landry dips on the right side for a strip sack, split a double team for a TFL, shed an initial block, dropped into coverage and showed amazing body control for an INT.

However, the majority of the snaps, as soon as the OT got their hands on him, he was completelu washed out of the play. When the other team doubled him, he was pretty much invisible.

He does have great flash plays, but I dont see a consistently dominant player who can beat a double team.

Id be ok if the Niners traded down for him, but I dont see a top q0 player.

Let me know if you see him differently.

Good analysis. Now, watch our defense. How often does a LEO get doubled? How often do they play static at the LOS? His job in run support at BC wouldn't be identical to what he'd do here.

Thats true. One question I have for you draft guru's is your evaluation of how Landry uses his hands. There were a few times when I saw him shed blockers, but it seems like he let them get into his chest a lot.

Also, how do you evaluate his counter moves when his dip is taken away?

He has a subtle inside counter that works well enough, but he needs to use it more. In general, his hand violence needs to improve. One of the (many) reasons I like a Landry/Obo pairing is that Obo could work w/Landry on his hands, and Landry could work w/Obo on his bend.

Originally posted by bigwads:

A lot to like. He has serious deficiencies in this body makeup though. Under 33' inch arms, not quite the athlete that other prospects were like Cliff Avril (34.63 arms) or Miller. You have to like the quickness though. When you watch entire games he gets swallowed up in the running game pretty good. He will struggle mightily to set an edge in the NFL. He will struggle keeping people's hands off of him.

His arms are 32 and 7/8 which is 1/8th of an inch away from 33 and longer than Vic Beasley's. Also, Von Miller, Khalil Mack, and Demarcus Lawrence (players he projects to be similar too) all have arms under 34 inches.

Also, I don't understand how Avril is so much more athletic than Landry. What are you basing that on?

Avril
40 4.63 seconds
Bench Press: 27 reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 32.5 inches
Broad Jump: 117 inches
Three Cone: 6.90 seconds
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.51 seconds

Landry
40 4.64 seconds
Bench Press 24 REPS
Vertical Jump 36 INCHES
Broad Jump 119.0. INCHES
3 Cone Drill 6.88. SECONDS
20 Yd Shuttle 4.19 SECONDS

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Just saw the Maryland game butter and not sure what you expect out of a pass rusher. He had a sack. A lot of pressure, caused qb to leave pocket often . Got doubled half the game and that allowed his teammates to get 1 on 1 matchups. He had an interception and deflected 2 passes.

He got stonewalled a couple times on double teams.

Pass rushers don't get the qb every single play. Nobody has the energy for that. For example, if pass rusher has 16 sacks in a season that's ridiculous. But the average still only comes out to 1 a game.

Even the great Myles Garrett gets stonewalled by double teams. And doesnt get the qb every play.

GoB, I thought Clemson was one of his better games. Youre right, no one is 100% highlight film. Im more worried about the majority of his low lights. There were a lot of plays when a single blocker walled him off and. RB broke big runs, or the QB had a lot of time in the pocket.

Because of his smaller size, hes not going to win with power very often in the NFL. Like I said in the previous post, Id like to see him develop his hand use and some counter moves, which he may br fully capable of doing.

Pair this guy with a strong DT next to him, a la Aldon and Cowboy, and I can see them shutting down the runs to their side. Time and time again, I saw Haley and Dean penetrate the backfield with their quickness to stop runs in their tracks. But they needed that strong DT next to them to draw those double teams. I think Solomon and Buckner fit that bill. Aldon grew as a run defender as he started knowing how to use his angles and leverage to stretch out plays.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by bigwads:

A lot to like. He has serious deficiencies in this body makeup though. Under 33' inch arms, not quite the athlete that other prospects were like Cliff Avril (34.63 arms) or Miller. You have to like the quickness though. When you watch entire games he gets swallowed up in the running game pretty good. He will struggle mightily to set an edge in the NFL. He will struggle keeping people's hands off of him.

His arms are 32 and 7/8 which is 1/8th of an inch away from 33 and longer than Vic Beasley's. Also, Von Miller, Khalil Mack, and Demarcus Lawrence (players he projects to be similar too) all have arms under 34 inches.

Also, I don't understand how Avril is so much more athletic than Landry. What are you basing that on?

Avril
40 4.63 seconds
Bench Press: 27 reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 32.5 inches
Broad Jump: 117 inches
Three Cone: 6.90 seconds
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.51 seconds

Landry
40 4.64 seconds
Bench Press 24 REPS
Vertical Jump 36 INCHES
Broad Jump 119.0. INCHES
3 Cone Drill 6.88. SECONDS
20 Yd Shuttle 4.19 SECONDS

Thank you for posting this it was a silly comment. People also trying to dog him cause he's not von Miller is ridiculous...von Miller has been the gold standard at edge for like the past 7 seasons. There's some similarities, but there's only one Von Miller.

I also think it's a joke that he can't set the edge...people need to understand the role he'd be playing here.

if the 49ers can land Roquan, Ogbonnia Okoronkw, and Landry, that would be the draft of the year. I read on some mocks that have Roquan going in the very late teens and Landry going in the second round. I seriously doubt that it would play out like that, but if it did, I know San Diego are looking for a QB and a trade with them seems possible.

Landry isn't making it out of the first and Smith will be gone by 15.

I don't mind the idea of a small trade back though, picking up enough capital to package one of our early thirds to move up into the 2nd so we have a 1st, two seconds and an early 3rd.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by bigwads:
A lot to like. He has serious deficiencies in this body makeup though. Under 33' inch arms, not quite the athlete that other prospects were like Cliff Avril (34.63 arms) or Miller. You have to like the quickness though. When you watch entire games he gets swallowed up in the running game pretty good. He will struggle mightily to set an edge in the NFL. He will struggle keeping people's hands off of him.

His arms are 32 and 7/8 which is 1/8th of an inch away from 33 and longer than Vic Beasley's. Also, Von Miller, Khalil Mack, and Demarcus Lawrence (players he projects to be similar too) all have arms under 34 inches.

Also, I don't understand how Avril is so much more athletic than Landry. What are you basing that on?

Avril
40 4.63 seconds
Bench Press: 27 reps (225 lb)
Vertical Leap: 32.5 inches
Broad Jump: 117 inches
Three Cone: 6.90 seconds
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.51 seconds

Landry
40 4.64 seconds
Bench Press 24 REPS
Vertical Jump 36 INCHES
Broad Jump 119.0. INCHES
3 Cone Drill 6.88. SECONDS
20 Yd Shuttle 4.19 SECONDS

Thank you for posting this it was a silly comment. People also trying to dog him cause he's not von Miller is ridiculous...von Miller has been the gold standard at edge for like the past 7 seasons. There's some similarities, but there's only one Von Miller.

I also think it's a joke that he can't set the edge...people need to understand the role he'd be playing here.

Yeah I missed that post earlier and was getting ready to respond to the silly arm comment and saw fly already beat me to the punch.

Landy may be on the smaller side but I honestly feel people are just seeing his size and abilty to rush the passer from the outside and just assume he's a liability vs the run.

Landry was one of the highest graded edge rushers as a junior in defending the run. He may not be Justin Smith out there but he can hold his own, especially in this scheme with more work and coaching.

The arm thing is a nice to have but not a requirement. Not to mention how do you honestly ding a guy for not having long enough arms because he's under 33'...at 32 and 7/8s?

Not to mention as he works on his hands more and his strength more to counter his speed rush his arms will be plenty long. Melvin Ingram is somehow able to get by with his t-rex arms.

Carl Lawson.

Is having small arms as pass rusher equivalent to a pornstar not being good because she doesn't have big breasts?