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Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
This is the guy I want at 9 if we can't move down. I fear though Lynch is going to take Fitzpatrick or Ward.
Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
QUESTION.....Do you guys see Landry as a LEO for our defense or as a SAM? I know he could do either and may very well do so, but if you had to pick one position for him in our D where would you put him? I'm leaning towards the SAM spot where he could be our Bruce Irvin/Vic Beasley...
Originally posted by genus49:Originally posted by StubbyNBY:QUESTION.....Do you guys see Landry as a LEO for our defense or as a SAM? I know he could do either and may very well do so, but if you had to pick one position for him in our D where would you put him? I'm leaning towards the SAM spot where he could be our Bruce Irvin/Vic Beasley...
I think i mentioned it earlier but IMO he's at least starting out playing SAM in base then comes down to Leo in pass rush situations. Exactly how Vic Beasley plays for Atlanta.
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
QUESTION.....Do you guys see Landry as a LEO for our defense or as a SAM? I know he could do either and may very well do so, but if you had to pick one position for him in our D where would you put him? I'm leaning towards the SAM spot where he could be our Bruce Irvin/Vic Beasley...
I think i mentioned it earlier but IMO he's at least starting out playing SAM in base then comes down to Leo in pass rush situations. Exactly how Vic Beasley plays for Atlanta.
I think it's interesting how we can look at the same player and visualize him doing different things. 😉I'm gonna have to disagree with genus here. I do not see Landry as a force/flat defender (SAM). I see him as a "get in the backfield and blow the play up as fast as possible" kind of guy. To me this is a Leo.
Either way. It be a nice problem to have.
Originally posted by genus49:
I think i mentioned it earlier but IMO he's at least starting out playing SAM in base then comes down to Leo in pass rush situations. Exactly how Vic Beasley plays for Atlanta.
Originally posted by genus49:
Both of those guys make us better as well. Landry is my #1 guy for us but Fitz and Ward would make the secondary better.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
QUESTION.....Do you guys see Landry as a LEO for our defense or as a SAM? I know he could do either and may very well do so, but if you had to pick one position for him in our D where would you put him? I'm leaning towards the SAM spot where he could be our Bruce Irvin/Vic Beasley...
I think i mentioned it earlier but IMO he's at least starting out playing SAM in base then comes down to Leo in pass rush situations. Exactly how Vic Beasley plays for Atlanta.
I think it's interesting how we can look at the same player and visualize him doing different things. 😉I'm gonna have to disagree with genus here. I do not see Landry as a force/flat defender (SAM). I see him as a "get in the backfield and blow the play up as fast as possible" kind of guy. To me this is a Leo.
Either way. It be a nice problem to have.
I agree. I think it more so depends on what Saleh/Shany want to do in base.
Are we still looking to ensure we're dominant against the run? Then putting someone like Sully at Leo or even Armstead make more sense while playing Harold at SAM.
But certainly if Harold comes in and shows he's not getting pushed around at the line and can keep contain and hold his ground in the running game then hell yeah...throw him out there as a full time Leo. If Avril could do it then I'm sure Harold can as well.
Originally posted by genus49:
I think i mentioned it earlier but IMO he's at least starting out playing SAM in base then comes down to Leo in pass rush situations. Exactly how Vic Beasley plays for Atlanta.
Originally posted by StubbyNBY:QUESTION.....Do you guys see Landry as a LEO for our defense or as a SAM? I know he could do either and may very well do so, but if you had to pick one position for him in our D where would you put him? I'm leaning towards the SAM spot where he could be our Bruce Irvin/Vic Beasley...
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by genus49:
I think i mentioned it earlier but IMO he's at least starting out playing SAM in base then comes down to Leo in pass rush situations. Exactly how Vic Beasley plays for Atlanta.
I think as a rookie you put him at end and play him on passing downs. You want his focus to be on getting better as a pass rusher and try to develop him to be a DE, much like the Falcons did with Beasley in his rookie year. You re-evaluate after year one as to whether he should continue to be developed at end or moved to SAM in base and edge rusher in sub packages.
Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
Originally posted by genus49:
Both of those guys make us better as well. Landry is my #1 guy for us but Fitz and Ward would make the secondary better.
Where do you play Fitz in our secondary?
Originally posted by genus49:Why are we pretending Landry just gets run over all the time in the running game?
Dwight Freeney was not a very good run defender...you think the Colts regret drafting him?
I don't always agree with PFF grades but I know people live and die by them.
Landry even this year when he was playing with a bum ankle and being constantly double teamed was graded out as a 7.5 run stop percentage. Chubb was 3rd with 11.0 as a comparison. Davenport was at 8.2 and Sweat was at 8.1. For some additional reference here is what PFF had to say about him heading into his senior season
Landry led all returning draft eligible defenders with 69 total pressures last season for a pass-rush productivity (PRP) of 17.5, which is No. 1 among draft eligible 4-3 defensive ends. Landry's best ability last year was winning on the outside, where 40 of his 69 total pressures came (58 percent). PRP measures pressure created on a per snap basis with weighting towards sacks.
It wasn't just in the pass game where Landry excelled, with 36 stops in run defense, that number ranked him No. 2 among returning ACC edge defenders. Landry showed he can have a presence in the run game as well.Landry returns for his senior season as the highest graded FBS edge defender in college football with an overall PFF grade of 89.7. He also returns with a pass rushing grade of 90.2 which ranks No. 1 among returning FBS edge defenders.
I think most of us here wanted to play him similar to what Atlanta does with Beasley, which is he basically plays Sam on base and comes down at Leo in obvious pass rush downs.
If he shows to be a well rounded player who won't be weak vs the run if he plays on the line in base then he'll be moved to full time Leo for all downs.
