Harold Landry Boston College DE/OLB

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:
That's literally what I've been saying he will have to do.

SO what are you even complaining about? We have our base LEO in Solly and our pass rushing LEO in Landry who can play SAM in base

You've said he wasn't big enough to play LEO, which is completely false and I've provided many LEO rushers and their size to back that up. Go look at the Jaguars/ATL players and scheme that's what we will be doing. He fits the mold man.

Now if you just don't think he's a good pass rusher then might as well just say that

I said he's not big enough to be a 3 down LEO, we will see a drop off in run support.

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Only he is actually big enough to play LEO full time and I've given you plenty of examples to prove it. IF you're purely going off size, which you are, then you're wrong.

Avril/Clemons/Irvin/Reed/Yannick we all starting LEOs at some point in the same systems.

dude, it's just

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
dude, it's just

It's confusing...if he thinks he's not a 3 down player based on his play then just say that and explain why. Don't use the he's not big enough thing cause that's just not the case.

He's basically a more polished/athletic version of Yannick IMO who is the starting LEO for the Jags.

As a rookie he'd probably be used like Barnett and a nickel rusher not that there's anything wrong with that. It gives us some more versatility. Long term I think he'd be our leo/ Silly 5 tech.

As for this year playing Solly at Leo in base, AA 5 tech then in nickel kicking Solly inside, Landry edge rusher is not a bad option at all.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:
That's literally what I've been saying he will have to do.

SO what are you even complaining about? We have our base LEO in Solly and our pass rushing LEO in Landry who can play SAM in base

You've said he wasn't big enough to play LEO, which is completely false and I've provided many LEO rushers and their size to back that up. Go look at the Jaguars/ATL players and scheme that's what we will be doing. He fits the mold man.

Now if you just don't think he's a good pass rusher then might as well just say that

I said he's not big enough to be a 3 down LEO, we will see a drop off in run support.

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Only he is actually big enough to play LEO full time and I've given you plenty of examples to prove it. IF you're purely going off size, which you are, then you're wrong.

Avril/Clemons/Irvin/Reed/Yannick we all starting LEOs at some point in the same systems.

Yannick is not a great run defender. Irvin played Sam and kicked down to LEO. Clemons was in the league for 7 years before he got a starting gig and got heavier, he was under 240 during the combine. Reed plays the run well but has not stayed healthy since going to Atl and transitioning to DE (and he might be a cap casualty). Avril is ok against the run but I think Solly is actually better.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Yannick is not a great run defender. Irvin played Sam and kicked down to LEO. Clemons was in the league for 7 years before he got a starting gig and got heavier, he was under 240 during the combine. Reed plays the run well but has not stayed healthy since going to Atl and transitioning to DE (and he might be a cap casualty). Avril is ok against the run but I think Solly is actually better.

once again you're deflecting the question lol...you said he wasn't big enough, no one said a thing about run defense. He is most certainly big enough to play LEO period.

the whole 3 down player thing doesn't mean s**t anymore. I care about % of snaps, if we really care about how often he will be on the field. We play out of nickle like what 60%-70% of the time now?

personally all I care about is getting at the QB and that's something Landry is good at doing. He makes the D that much better.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:
That's literally what I've been saying he will have to do.

SO what are you even complaining about? We have our base LEO in Solly and our pass rushing LEO in Landry who can play SAM in base

You've said he wasn't big enough to play LEO, which is completely false and I've provided many LEO rushers and their size to back that up. Go look at the Jaguars/ATL players and scheme that's what we will be doing. He fits the mold man.

Now if you just don't think he's a good pass rusher then might as well just say that

I said he's not big enough to be a 3 down LEO, we will see a drop off in run support.

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Only he is actually big enough to play LEO full time and I've given you plenty of examples to prove it. IF you're purely going off size, which you are, then you're wrong.

Avril/Clemons/Irvin/Reed/Yannick we all starting LEOs at some point in the same systems.

Yannick is not a great run defender. Irvin played Sam and kicked down to LEO. Clemons was in the league for 7 years before he got a starting gig and got heavier, he was under 240 during the combine. Reed plays the run well but has not stayed healthy since going to Atl and transitioning to DE (and he might be a cap casualty). Avril is ok against the run but I think Solly is actually better.

In this scheme, the SAM and LEO are basically asked to do the same things, EXCEPT the SAM has to be able to move backward and in space, with some coverage responsibilities. That's exactly why you'll hear Saleh comment that they view some guys as a LEO and some guys as both a LEO and a SAM. I can't think of one instance where he said they had a guy who was a SAM only. The size thing you're on about isn't a real thing. The two positions ask for the same height/weight profile, but SAM asks for more lateral agility/hip movement, and a SAM that can't rush well would leave the field on sub packages. AA was to heavy for LEO, but they wanted to get some use out of a 2015 1st rounder, so they put him at LEO on base downs as they update the roster. He's not going to stay there, and he might not stay on the team. Solly played big end more than he did LEO, and that's likely the main reason the team has made little effort to extend Tank up to this point. Saleh said they see him as a base down 5T and interior rusher on sub packages, just like Michael Bennett. That's not a LEO. They didn't have a full roster last year, so they used the guys they had in the places where they could. That's not the positional archetype, and they have stated SEVERAL times that the LEO's most important role is disrupting the opposing backfield, versus the run and pass. In the other incarnations of this defense, the LEO penetrates more than he stretches out the edge against the run. I think we'll see that more once we have that guy. We don't have that guy yet, unless someone teaches Pita to play football, or unless Eli can get to the QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Yannick is not a great run defender. Irvin played Sam and kicked down to LEO. Clemons was in the league for 7 years before he got a starting gig and got heavier, he was under 240 during the combine. Reed plays the run well but has not stayed healthy since going to Atl and transitioning to DE (and he might be a cap casualty). Avril is ok against the run but I think Solly is actually better.

once again you're deflecting the question lol...you said he wasn't big enough, no one said a thing about run defense. He is most certainly big enough to play LEO period.

the whole 3 down player thing doesn't mean s**t anymore. I care about % of snaps, if we really care about how often he will be on the field. We play out of nickle like what 60%-70% of the time now?

personally all I care about is getting at the QB and that's something Landry is good at doing. He makes the D that much better.

Moving goalposts...

Originally posted by jreff22:

I said he's not big enough to be a 3 down LEO, we will see a drop off in run support.

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

He's a LEO. That's what he's play for us. That's it. He'd probably come of the field for obviously run downs, short yardage situations, but he'll play as a base LEO for us.

This guy seems to fit the requirements for Leo. If teams are willing to reach for the most important position like QB, why not reach a little for arguably the second most important position, weakside Edge?

Originally posted by thl408:
This guy seems to fit the requirements for Leo. If teams are willing to reach for the most important position like QB, why not reach a little for arguably the second most important position, weakside Edge?

thl, you likey what you see?

Originally posted by Heroism:
thl, you likey what you see?

Haven't watched any film like you guys have. Just know he was very productive in 2016, had a down year in 2017 due to injury, and had a nice showing at the combine. If he's slated to go around pick #20(?), what's wrong with picking him at #9 if he fills an important need? "BPA, not pick for need!!". Just wondering if peeps would be upset if the 49ers reached a little for an impact role on the team.

Id definitely take him at 9. The way people value draft picks has always been strange to me. If he's the best ER take him.

Originally posted by Antix:
Id definitely take him at 9. The way people value draft picks has always been strange to me. If he's the best Ep

I'm with Antix - take him at #9, if you think your going to lose him.

We need someone to rush the passer! Hard to get those in Free agency.. I'm fine with him at #9 if Lynch/Shanny like him.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

That's literally what I've been saying he will have to do.

SO what are you even complaining about? We have our base LEO in Solly and our pass rushing LEO in Landry who can play SAM in base

You've said he wasn't big enough to play LEO, which is completely false and I've provided many LEO rushers and their size to back that up. Go look at the Jaguars/ATL players and scheme that's what we will be doing. He fits the mold man.

Now if you just don't think he's a good pass rusher then might as well just say that

I said he's not big enough to be a 3 down LEO, we will see a drop off in run support.

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Only he is actually big enough to play LEO full time and I've given you plenty of examples to prove it. IF you're purely going off size, which you are, then you're wrong.

Avril/Clemons/Irvin/Reed/Yannick we all starting LEOs at some point in the same systems.

Yannick is not a great run defender. Irvin played Sam and kicked down to LEO. Clemons was in the league for 7 years before he got a starting gig and got heavier, he was under 240 during the combine. Reed plays the run well but has not stayed healthy since going to Atl and transitioning to DE (and he might be a cap casualty). Avril is ok against the run but I think Solly is actually better.

In this scheme, the SAM and LEO are basically asked to do the same things, EXCEPT the SAM has to be able to move backward and in space, with some coverage responsibilities. That's exactly why you'll hear Saleh comment that they view some guys as a LEO and some guys as both a LEO and a SAM. I can't think of one instance where he said they had a guy who was a SAM only. The size thing you're on about isn't a real thing. The two positions ask for the same height/weight profile, but SAM asks for more lateral agility/hip movement, and a SAM that can't rush well would leave the field on sub packages. AA was to heavy for LEO, but they wanted to get some use out of a 2015 1st rounder, so they put him at LEO on base downs as they update the roster. He's not going to stay there, and he might not stay on the team. Solly played big end more than he did LEO, and that's likely the main reason the team has made little effort to extend Tank up to this point. Saleh said they see him as a base down 5T and interior rusher on sub packages, just like Michael Bennett. That's not a LEO. They didn't have a full roster last year, so they used the guys they had in the places where they could. That's not the positional archetype, and they have stated SEVERAL times that the LEO's most important role is disrupting the opposing backfield, versus the run and pass. In the other incarnations of this defense, the LEO penetrates more than he stretches out the edge against the run. I think we'll see that more once we have that guy. We don't have that guy yet, unless someone teaches Pita to play football, or unless Eli can get to the QB.

Absolutely spot on. The only thing I'd add is the SAM plays on the strong side so he would take on a TE and have to shed some in the run game more. Kind of like how Brooks would watch for the run game first en route to rushing the passer vs. Aldon who could just pin his ears back.

My guess is Saleh would LOVE a 3-down LEO and SAM who are equally stellar in the running game and in pass rush because, teams don't pass on just 3rd downs so you'd love to have your edge rushers in there every down.

I also think Lynch, a former S, has put pressure on getting more early down pressures too and not just on 3rd downs in obvious passing plays. Lynch knows what a pass rush can do for a DB/LB.