I think, we should pass to Quartback.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

People were right. None of those guys were top 10 picks. Brees was the last pick in the 2nd round Rodgers was the 24th pick even though many people thought he'd be the #1 pick. Favre was a 2nd round pick. Flacco was the 18th pick. Roethlisberger was the 11th pick even though many thought he'd go top 10. The Giants almost took Roethlisberger at 4, but the Chargers wanted Rivers.

No s**t that's why I said that ...people talk about how both these qbs aren't top 10 talent, analysis like kiper/McShay are saying the same thing...just like people said about those guys and they were wrong.

You don't think teams that needed a qb the yr Big Ben was drafted wouldn't want that pick back? The Browns took Winslow instead of a Ohio guy in Big Ben because it was a "safer" pick.

My point is if you have ZERO at qb and are need to change the franchise around the best way to do it is get a qb...we are sitting in a spot to get the best one in the draft along with putting a ton of parts around him in FA plus 9 other draft picks.

Get a new GM get a HC that can develop a qb and go get your guy. All this trade down stuff and hope some ILB or WR will be there is ridiculous, id rather be in control of my destiny and draft whomever is at the top, then hope someone will be there in a trade down.

I love you guys as 49ers fans. I am thinking if do you want draft the top QB because we don't have a qb next year? Alright. If do you want draft to Watson or Trubisky or Kizer then we will ready to get championship in next year? I believed it because we are not ready get championship in next year. I need Defense Lines and ILB for tackle by QB and RB. If we are processing and get better our gain grade. I want to see how processing and take time. Use think too hard and learn to quick than waste years when we did almost get championship but we are proud our 49ers at 2012 championship. Hope we need get build up again our team.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

If you are a quarterback with bonafide first round talent, meaning you have an NFL arm, reliably accurate, good leader, and can make NFL throws, you are a top 10 talent because of the position you play. Will you be an elite player? That depends on how hard they are willing to work at it. But if the criteria I mentioned are met, you are going to be drafted in the top 10, no matter what. There are quarterbacks that didn't meet all of those criteria and were still top 10 picks. The quarterbacks in question, Deshaun Watson and Mitch Trubisky meet that criteria as well. I do not see what the problem is. Some can play the game of waiting until the best quarterback prospect ever shows up and hope they are in a position to draft them, but that would be suicide for this franchise and there will be many fired coaches, general mangers, and wasted careers of talented players because the team is missing a QB.

As I've stated in other threads, I don't see a high chance either of the top two QBs will bust. Both are hard workers. Both have first round talent. Both are good leaders. If they land in a favorable position in terms of their development as a QB, even better. The only reason I am even willing to chance passing on Watson and Trubisky is because Chip Kelly has made all of his quarterbacks look better than what they really are, so we may be able to get away without having the absolute best QB available than say, the New York Jets or Chicago Bears would.

Also, any notion of passing on Watson and Trubisky to take a player not named Myles Garrett is insane. Some of these options people are throwing out are . Leonard Fournette? Jabril Peppers? Both are great players, but when you are a team lacking at the most important positions and you are drafting number 2 overall (should the current slotting hold), you do not take a running back (this ain't 1979) or a DB/LB hybrid.

Maybe it has to do with the fact that there's 15 better players in this draft than those two

Originally posted by HERN:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by stonecold590:

I'd Garret is on the Board it's a no brainer. Take him. I don't like idea of drafting a QB just because you need one. I'm sure there are a couple our new GM will like that he can take in the 2nd or 3rd. I would also look for a good QB who is a project late in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if we took 2.

Who's gonna be there in the 2nd or 3rd? I just don't get what everyone's problem is with Watson or Trubisky in the 1st? Because they aren't Andrew Luck? Who you drafting if Garrett is gone?

My personal opinion is Watson is not worthy of a top 10 pick. Trubisky I'm on the fence about but I would be able to sleep at night if we selected him at #2.

If Garrett is gone at #2 i don't see much of a drop off between a Watson or someone like Mahomes that will be there late in the 1st.

The best thing to do is trade back but like you said, with who?

I could see someone like the jets trading up for Fournett , Watson or Trubisky. The Panthers are also a sleeper in the trading up game , they can use a player like Fournett. they might want to leapfrom the Jags who might be interested in him.

1.Browns-Garrett
2.Panthers-Fournett
3.Jaguars- Allen
4.Bears- Trubisky
5.Jets- Watson
6.Titans- Peppers
7.49ers- Barnett

So yes, if i had it my way it would go down like this ( assuming Garrett was gone ) then trading back in to the 1st and getting Mahomes.

I'd rather take teez Tabor or Williams there for sure

Originally posted by fan49:
Maybe it has to do with the fact that there's 15 better players in this draft than those two

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by HERN:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by stonecold590:

I'd Garret is on the Board it's a no brainer. Take him. I don't like idea of drafting a QB just because you need one. I'm sure there are a couple our new GM will like that he can take in the 2nd or 3rd. I would also look for a good QB who is a project late in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if we took 2.

Who's gonna be there in the 2nd or 3rd? I just don't get what everyone's problem is with Watson or Trubisky in the 1st? Because they aren't Andrew Luck? Who you drafting if Garrett is gone?

My personal opinion is Watson is not worthy of a top 10 pick. Trubisky I'm on the fence about but I would be able to sleep at night if we selected him at #2.

If Garrett is gone at #2 i don't see much of a drop off between a Watson or someone like Mahomes that will be there late in the 1st.

The best thing to do is trade back but like you said, with who?

I could see someone like the jets trading up for Fournett , Watson or Trubisky. The Panthers are also a sleeper in the trading up game , they can use a player like Fournett. they might want to leapfrom the Jags who might be interested in him.

1.Browns-Garrett
2.Panthers-Fournett
3.Jaguars- Allen
4.Bears- Trubisky
5.Jets- Watson
6.Titans- Peppers
7.49ers- Barnett

So yes, if i had it my way it would go down like this ( assuming Garrett was gone ) then trading back in to the 1st and getting Mahomes.

I'd rather take teez Tabor or Williams there for sure

Yeah Williams is better than Barnett. Tim Williams that is.

I do think you have to be open minded and look past the top 2-3 qb's. There are plenty of guys like Wallace, Carr, Prescott so I wouldn't limit myself to picking between Kizer, Mitch and Watson. Scout the crap out of them and if there's one you like pull the trigger.

We have to come out with something though. NY brought it up somewhere that we've taken 1 qb in the top 5 rounds since JH. 6 years Kap and some bums.

Originally posted by fan49:

Maybe it has to do with the fact that there's 15 better players in this draft than those two

What fact? Because McShay said so? The lions took Roy Williams and the Browns took Kellen Winslow instead of Big Ben because the were "rated" higher bet they'd like that pick back.

Qbs change a franchise

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I do think you have to be open minded and look past the top 2-3 qb's. There are plenty of guys like Wallace, Carr, Prescott so I wouldn't limit myself to picking between Kizer, Mitch and Watson. Scout the crap out of them and if there's one you like pull the trigger.

We have to come out with something though. NY brought it up somewhere that we've taken 1 qb in the top 5 rounds since JH. 6 years Kap and some bums.

That's why we should draft a qb early because we haven't touched the position in 6 yrs outside of kap in the 2nd.

New GM means changes and that starts with qb if you don't have one.

I'd rather draft two qbs one in the first (if Garrett is gone) and one in the mid rds. this draft isn't very deep at qb imo. It's deep at every other positions that we need help at like DB, pass rush, ILB

Originally posted by NYniner85:

That's why we should draft a qb early because we haven't touched the position in 6 yrs outside of kap in the 2nd.

New GM means changes and that starts with qb if you don't have one.

I'd rather draft two qbs one in the first (if Garrett is gone) and one in the mid rds. this draft isn't very deep at qb imo. It's deep at every other positions that we need help at like DB, pass rush, ILB

We're in agreement on this I just wouldn't want to pass on Favre for Couch. Scout across the board.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

People were right. None of those guys were top 10 picks. Brees was the last pick in the 2nd round Rodgers was the 24th pick even though many people thought he'd be the #1 pick. Favre was a 2nd round pick. Flacco was the 18th pick. Roethlisberger was the 11th pick even though many thought he'd go top 10. The Giants almost took Roethlisberger at 4, but the Chargers wanted Rivers.

No s**t that's why I said that ...people talk about how both these qbs aren't top 10 talent, analysis like kiper/McShay are saying the same thing...just like people said about those guys and they were wrong.

You don't think teams that needed a qb the yr Big Ben was drafted wouldn't want that pick back? The Browns took Winslow instead of a Ohio guy in Big Ben because it was a "safer" pick.

My point is if you have ZERO at qb and are need to change the franchise around the best way to do it is get a qb...we are sitting in a spot to get the best one in the draft along with putting a ton of parts around him in FA plus 9 other draft picks.

Get a new GM get a HC that can develop a qb and go get your guy. All this trade down stuff and hope some ILB or WR will be there is ridiculous, id rather be in control of my destiny and draft whomever is at the top, then hope someone will be there in a trade down.

This argument is exactly the problem. Obviously the best way to fix a franchise is getting a QB. The non sequiter is where you immediately jump to draft a QB when the guy doesn't deserve anything close to a top 5 pick.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

We're in agreement on this I just wouldn't want to pass on Favre for Couch. Scout across the board.

Fair enough

Originally posted by bigwads:

This argument is exactly the problem. Obviously the best way to fix a franchise is getting a QB. The non sequiter is where you immediately jump to draft a QB when the guy doesn't deserve anything close to a top 5 pick.

Why does he not though? What don't you like about Trubisky?

Originally posted by bigwads:

This argument is exactly the problem. Obviously the best way to fix a franchise is getting a QB. The non sequiter is where you immediately jump to draft a QB when the guy doesn't deserve anything close to a top 5 pick.

1 of them most likely will be worth the pick. At #2 assuming Garrett is gone it's your job to find which one.

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
I love you guys as 49ers fans. I am thinking if do you want draft the top QB because we don't have a qb next year? Alright. If do you want draft to Watson or Trubisky or Kizer then we will ready to get championship in next year? I believed it because we are not ready get championship in next year. I need Defense Lines and ILB for tackle by QB and RB. If we are processing and get better our gain grade. I want to see how processing and take time. Use think too hard and learn to quick than waste years when we did almost get championship but we are proud our 49ers at 2012 championship. Hope we need get build up again our team.

I agree with you Buzz. This team needs to build its roster before anything else. This team is so bad that almost any position we make a good draft pick at would be an instant upgrade. The problem is I do not think Baalke has made a single decent draft pick within the first couple rounds ever. I also have not been impressed with any of these Qbs and wouldn't draft one before the 3rd round. A good Qb can mask a lot of problems a team has but the flipside is that missing on one in the first can set us back for years. 49ers fans need to realize we aren't going to be able to just be magically good anytime soon so starting with finding good players regardless of position is the only way to go.