QB or Garrett

This loss to New Orleans should pretty much close this debate. 49ers got ZERO pressure on Brees nor could they stop the run, and please do not say "Aaron Lynch didn't play", because he's one of the most overrated players on the defense this season.

Myles Garrett it is.








.......and then with the second pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the San Francisco 49ers select defensive back from Michigan Jabrill Peppers.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by Rascal:
You are missing the point, the point is Carson Wentz didn't have to be the absolute best or even 2nd best player on the board.

The Eagles realized there was a massive gaping need in the team, that being a a franchise QB. They did their analysis and also realized the QB class in 2017 will not be as strong as 2016, so strategically they decided to pull the trigger.

Garrett is this year's draft, not last year, but tell me who would you have picked at No.2 overall? You think the Eagles screwed up then? I don't think so somehow, but hey that's just me.

I think the 2017 class is better and deeper. 3 guys could go top 10. Wentz has looked okay, Goff hasn't taken a snap and a 4th round pick in Dak has played well. Other than that, 2017 looks a lot more promising

Well, that's good news for us then. If that is the case, all the more we must pick a QB in the 1st.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by fan49:
And no qb in this draft is close to as talented as Garrett. Garrett is way more talented than any qb

If that is the case, then you guys might as well root to keep Baalke, I am pretty sure given the choice he would pick Garrett over any QB even if he was Andrew Luck.

but there is no Luck type QB in this draft.

Garret is the right choice if he's there

There doesn't need to be a Luck. Both Watson and Tribusky are looking really good right now and we need a franchise QB to build the team around.

Watson ? i missed the last game but i've been keeping tabs his last games as well as Kizer and Biscuit. Those guys are not the answer.

even you said yourself you need to watch more cause you don;t know.

If Miles is there then we get him. if not i wouldn't mind on Biscuit or even taking a shot with Peppers. But overall these QBs are not worth high picks

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Watson ? i missed the last game but i've been keeping tabs his last games as well as Kizer and Biscuit. Those guys are not the answer.

even you said yourself you need to watch more cause you don;t know.

If Miles is there then we get him. if not i wouldn't mind on Biscuit or even taking a shot with Peppers. But overall these QBs are not worth high picks

Bro, watch Watson's last game. He is legit. Right now, I am down to him and Tribusky, not in any particular order just yet. Kizer is definitely out for me, the kid is way overrated and consistently under-throws plus he has a huge wind-up like Kap.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Watson ? i missed the last game but i've been keeping tabs his last games as well as Kizer and Biscuit. Those guys are not the answer.

even you said yourself you need to watch more cause you don;t know.

If Miles is there then we get him. if not i wouldn't mind on Biscuit or even taking a shot with Peppers. But overall these QBs are not worth high picks

Bro, watch Watson's last game. He is legit. Right now, I am down to him and Tribusky, not in any particular order just yet. Kizer is definitely out for me, the kid is way overrated and consistently under-throws plus he has a huge wind-up like Kap.

Watson is Kaep 2.0. Whether or not you agree or not on that he is no miles Garrett

Originally posted by fan49:
Watson is Kaep 2.0. Whether or not you agree or not on that he is no miles Garrett

In this league, you need a QB to win. People used to say, hey look at Denver blah, blah, blah, well as proven now they couldn't get passed the Raiders tonight. Is all about having a balanced roster on both sides of the ball. And in this case, the Broncos definitely and desperately needs a proper QB. Sure, Denver has Miller, etc, but they finally realized they just couldn't get it done even with such a top D unit alone.

Another example, just look at how the Cowboys are doing now with Dak Prescott. We even have a thread here trying to find out how the NFL has managed to miss on the guy. Again, to my point, you need a proper QB to win. For Dallas, that guy used to be Romo, but not anymore. Even the Browns, they have been very close in a few games, and again no QB. You didn't think RG3 was going to work out, did you? You don't think Sashi Brown is probably crapping in his pants right now having opted to hand over Carson Wentz to the Eagles on a silver platter and yet the Browns is yet to win a game? Again like I said, you need a QB to win in this league.

The debate is not about whether the likes of Watson or Trubisky is Myles Garrett. Is about the absolute need of a QB in any team (even when you already have a top D like Denver) in order to win ball games.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by fan49:

Watson is Kaep 2.0. Whether or not you agree or not on that he is no miles Garrett

In this league, you need a QB to win. People used to say, hey look at Denver blah, blah, blah, well as proven now they couldn't get passed the Raiders tonight. Is all about having a balanced roster on both sides of the ball. And in this case, the Broncos definitely and desperately needs a proper QB. Sure, Denver has Miller, etc, but they finally realized they just couldn't get it done even with such a top D unit alone.

Another example, just look at how the Cowboys are doing now with Dak Prescott. We even have a thread here trying to find out how the NFL has managed to miss on the guy. Again, to my point, you need a proper QB to win. For Dallas, that guy used to be Romo, but not anymore. Even the Browns, they have been very close in a few games, and again no QB. You didn't think RG3 was going to work out, did you? You don't think Sashi Brown is probably crapping in his pants right now having opted to hand over Carson Wentz to the Eagles on a silver platter and yet the Browns is yet to win a game? Again like I said, you need a QB to win in this league.

The debate is not about whether the likes of Watson or Trubisky is Myles Garrett. Is about the absolute need of a QB in any team (even when you already have a top D like Denver) in order to win ball games.

They did it last year with out one lol. And they are 6 and 3 without one now. I am not doubting the need of a qb. We need players period. So get the person who for a fact would make the most impact. Unless one of the top 3 qbs are Brady, Joe, or Rodgers. Garrett will make the most impact. Dak was what a 4th? Not a #1. He would probably be a 3rd or 4th in this draft too. But I'm he was better than goff and wentz. And he was picked in the 4th. If we draft one of these quarterbacks who are not sure things with the number one or the number to pick and they don't pan out we're in the same position for the next four years

The correct answer is Garrett and suck in 2017 so you can draft Jackson in 2018

Originally posted by fan49:
They did it last year with out one lol. And they are 6 and 3 without one now. I am not doubting the need of a qb. We need players period. So get the person who for a fact would make the most impact. Unless one of the top 3 qbs are Brady, Joe, or Rodgers. Garrett will make the most impact

They did what? You mean with Peyton Manning? And the moment they play a decent team like the Raiders they fall short once they don't have a QB anymore? They have been overtaken by the Raiders in AFC West, bro. The Raiders is the better team with a better and more balanced roster on both sides of the ball plus they are coming into their own.

Dude, you can have an edge rusher with as much impact as Miller, but in a team like ours it won't matter much. For the 9ers to win games, we need to be able to put up points first before we talk about anything else. Sure, we need players pretty much in all positions, but as we start to rebuild we must start by trying to win ball games. And to be able to score points, you need skilled players on the offensive side of the ball with QB being the most critical position.

Trust me, get a legit franchise QB and build the team around him. This isn't some foreign nor novel football concept that I have just invented. It's been around since there was football. Is football 101.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by fan49:

They did it last year with out one lol. And they are 6 and 3 without one now. I am not doubting the need of a qb. We need players period. So get the person who for a fact would make the most impact. Unless one of the top 3 qbs are Brady, Joe, or Rodgers. Garrett will make the most impact

They did what? You mean with Peyton Manning? And the moment they play a decent team like the Raiders they fall short once they don't have a QB anymore? They have been overtaken by the Raiders in AFC West, bro. The Raiders is the better team with a better and more balanced roster on both sides of the ball plus they are coming into their own.

Dude, you can have an edge rusher with as much impact as Miller, but in a team like ours it won't matter much. For the 9ers to win games, we need to be able to put up points first before we talk about anything else. Sure, we need players pretty much in all positions, but as we start to rebuild we must start by trying to win ball games. And to be able to score points, you need skilled players on the offensive side of the ball with QB being the most critical position.

Trust me, get a legit franchise QB and build the team around him. This isn't some foreign nor novel football concept that I have just invented. It's been around since there was football. Is football 101.

Yeah exactly manning. He sucked last year lol. And your right but none of these qb's has franchise QB written on their forehead. But Garrett has franchise player written all over him. It's a win-win with Garrett if we draft a quarterback that really and miss then your whole theory goes right out the door and would drafting another one next year

Originally posted by fan49:
Yeah exactly manning. He sucked last year lol. And your right but none of these qb's has franchise QB written on their forehead. But Garrett has franchise player written all over him. It's a win-win with Garrett if we draft a quarterback that really and miss then your whole theory goes right out the door and would drafting another one next year

You know what? One could easily put forward a reasonable argument like hey we can't even stop the run and you want to go after a premier pass rusher? Really?

And by the way, who do you suggest should play QB next season then if we don't draft a QB? Krapernick again? Blaine Gabbert? LOL.

Come on, think of the big picture please.

We can't pass on Garrett if he's on the board. He's the best player in the draft. If we can strike gold by going Garrett first and a QB in the second similar to Mack & Carr a few years back, or even Aldon & Kap, I think that's a good risk to take. Trade Torrey Smith too..

Originally posted by YungAce:
We can't pass on Garrett if he's on the board. He's the best player in the draft. If we can strike gold by going Garrett first and a QB in the second similar to Mack & Carr a few years back, or even Aldon & Kap, I think that's a good risk to take. Trade Torrey Smith too..

IF we can strike gold? From the way I see it, the only reason Derek Carr even went in the 2nd round is because of his last name. Secondly, no franchise can be looking to wait until the second round and hope a starting caliber QB is available. I am looking at two guys at the moment, and possibly three. Two of the QBs are almost certain to be gone, within the top 10 picks. The only way I think we can seriously entertain drafting Myles Garrett with the way things are shaping up is if we are looking at making a huge and I mean HUGE trade to move to secure another top 10 pick.

We can be Houston who has the best defensive player that we have seen in over a decade by drafting Myles Garrett, and struggle to win in this league because we don't have a quarterback, or we can go after one of the top guys, and make a decent attempt at solidifying the position. Yes, based on our on field performance, we are weaker on defense. That has been the case all year. But in terms of making this team a winner for the long term, we have to get our guy in 2017. The prospect of waiting until 2018 to get a quarterback is not a wise one either.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Jadaveon Clowney had microfracture surgery. That's usually a career killer. That can happen to anyone. He was absolutely the best player in the draft before the injury.

You take the best player, and Garrett is easily the best player on the board. Andrew Luck is not in this draft.

Sorry bro, I am pretty much sure the Browns might beg you differ. Once again only the Cleveland Browns can cock it up by handing Carson Wentz away on a silver platter. If I was Sashi Brown, I would be crapping in my pants. And I am also pretty much sure that Carson Wentz wasn't the best player on the board.

Listen, you can't just go blind and draft BPA without context all the time.

There's no such thing as "blind BPA." There's just BPA because there isn't a QB in this draft who is head-and-shoulders better than anyone else.

Kizer will probably go #1 overall, but I'm starting to think Falk might even be better. There isn't one guy who stands out above the rest.

Garrett, on the other hand, is the best defensive prospect since 2011.

And I don't think Wentz is all that good. I'd take Garrett over Wentz.

Comparing them by position (Wentz vs. the field and Garrett vs. the field), yes Garrett is potentially better (remember, as talented as he is, he still has not played an NFL game yet). But the reality is in the NFL, a B+/- QB has more value to a franchise than a A + defensive player.

Although we are the worst team, it is hard to see the Browns winning a game. The Browns will either draft Garrett or trade down (another team will trade up to get him). The only way we get Garrett is if we trade up with the Browns. We have too many needs to be trading picks for a player (unless it was the next Andrew Luck, i.e., a generational quarterback).

So, would I take Garrett? Yes. Will he be available when we pick? No.

We have to little talent on this team at critical positions, that it will take us 2-4 years to rebuild. QB, ILB, OLB, NT, WR, RB, TE, the list goes on.....