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Oct 23, 2016 at 7:50 PM
- Tman
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There is absolutely no way we are going into next year with the same qbs
Oct 23, 2016 at 7:58 PM
- eastcoast49ersfan
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What happens if we don't pick in the top 5 or 10 again next year? We'll have to pick a QB at some point and we may not pick in the top 5 (or 10) again in the near future. This also seems like a decent QB class so far with a number of first or second round prospects at QB.
I do like the trade from the 49ers' perspective if Garrett is gone because a QB may not be worth the #2 or #3 pick, we don't really need another RB or safety, and there are several players we could use who could be available at 16 or 17. I can't imagine the Titans making that trade, because they don't need a QB or RB either and two mid-first round picks is a lot to give up for a safety (one of the less valuable positions even though Peppers is a beast).
It would be sweet if we pulled off that trade with the Titans and ended up with Watson, Kizer, or Trubisky (may require a trade up from 16) and Williams in the first round and then an ILB like McMillan in the 2nd round or a pass rusher like Carl Lawson/Charles Harris/Dawuane Smoot.
I do like the trade from the 49ers' perspective if Garrett is gone because a QB may not be worth the #2 or #3 pick, we don't really need another RB or safety, and there are several players we could use who could be available at 16 or 17. I can't imagine the Titans making that trade, because they don't need a QB or RB either and two mid-first round picks is a lot to give up for a safety (one of the less valuable positions even though Peppers is a beast).
It would be sweet if we pulled off that trade with the Titans and ended up with Watson, Kizer, or Trubisky (may require a trade up from 16) and Williams in the first round and then an ILB like McMillan in the 2nd round or a pass rusher like Carl Lawson/Charles Harris/Dawuane Smoot.
Oct 23, 2016 at 7:58 PM
- Phoenix49ers
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There is no way they aren't taking a QB early. This whole "let's wait on this guy" rhetoric when its not clear they might even be a better prospect than what is available doesn't make any sense to me. Just like last year. "This is a terrible QB draft, wait for 2017." Meanwhile Carson Wentz and Dak Prescott are doing just fine for themselves from that "terrible QB draft."
Josh Rosen who everyone was locking in for the #1 pick in 2018 hasn't looked that great and while Browning is a high caliber prospect, he's not an Andrew Luck or some sort of generational QB prospect. It could very well turn out that a guy that comes out in this draft ends up as a much better NFL QB.
Josh Rosen who everyone was locking in for the #1 pick in 2018 hasn't looked that great and while Browning is a high caliber prospect, he's not an Andrew Luck or some sort of generational QB prospect. It could very well turn out that a guy that comes out in this draft ends up as a much better NFL QB.
Oct 23, 2016 at 8:01 PM
- DaDivaRecieva15
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Originally posted by Tman:There is absolutely no way we are going into next year with the same qbs
THIS. FUUUUUCK THAT!!!
Oct 23, 2016 at 8:02 PM
- 49ersGiantspride
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Not drafting a quarterback and coming into next season with the same group of QBs would be a horrible mistake and our defense likely won't be this bad next year so when would we finally get the quarterback we need so desperately?
Oct 23, 2016 at 8:06 PM
- Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by 49ersGiantspride:
Not drafting a quarterback and coming into next season with the same group of QBs would be a horrible mistake and our defense likely won't be this bad next year so when would we finally get the quarterback we need so desperately?
"Hey 49ers fans, so we're bringing back Gabbert and Kaepernick for one more season in the hopes of drafting this one guy after the season, that we might not be in any position to draft and who ultimately may turn out to not be a worth damn anyways, let's do this!"
Nobody is trying to hear that.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Oct 23, 2016 at 8:12 PM ]
Oct 23, 2016 at 8:35 PM
- YayArea
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Message received. I completely understand the need to add a QB to the roster. My approach was risky and unpopular. So what about this? Do the same trade with Tennessee. Draft Mike Williams at 16 and then Mitch Trubisky, the North Carolina QB at 17. Then cross the fingers that Reuben Foster slips out of the first round and we grab him with our second round pick instead of Pocic. Keep everything else the same.
Oct 23, 2016 at 8:45 PM
- njninersfan420
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Originally posted by Tman:
There is absolutely no way we are going into next year with the same qbs
Agreed
[ Edited by njninersfan420 on Oct 23, 2016 at 8:48 PM ]
Oct 23, 2016 at 8:48 PM
- bzborow1
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:There is no way they aren't taking a QB early. This whole "let's wait on this guy" rhetoric when its not clear they might even be a better prospect than what is available doesn't make any sense to me. Just like last year. "This is a terrible QB draft, wait for 2017." Meanwhile Carson Wentz and Dak Prescott are doing just fine for themselves from that "terrible QB draft."
Josh Rosen who everyone was locking in for the #1 pick in 2018 hasn't looked that great and while Browning is a high caliber prospect, he's not an Andrew Luck or some sort of generational QB prospect. It could very well turn out that a guy that comes out in this draft ends up as a much better NFL QB.
Like your posts, and agree here. This team needs a reboot and you can't do that with a QB prospect that fits the system and offers potential for the team and the fans. We need hope.
I think SF should still look at anbest player available model, such as what they've been doing in Oakland, because this team needs playmakers. If Fournette or a WR is that good and no QB is seen to have top 5 value then wait until the second round.
After this season, its glaringly obvious that the 49ers should have traded up for Lynch instead of Garnett. There is no good reason why he should be riding the pine right now other than if he really sucks. And if that's the case then he'll be yet another Baalke miss.
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Oct 23, 2016 at 8:51 PM ]
Oct 23, 2016 at 8:53 PM
- Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by bzborow1:
Like your posts, and agree here. This team needs a reboot and you can't do that with a QB prospect that fits the system and offers potential for the team and the fans. We need hope.
I think SF should still look at anbest player available model, such as what they've been doing in Oakland, because this team needs playmakers. If Fournette or a WR is that good and no QB is seen to have top 5 value then wait until the second round.
After this season, its glaringly obvious that the 49ers should have traded up for Lynch instead of Garnett. There is no good reason why he should be riding the pine right now other than if he really sucks. And if that's the case then he'll be yet another Baalke miss.
I don't agree there.. Lynch has a lot of the same issues as Kaepernick. Long, extended delivery, questionable short area accuracy, footwork is a mess. He's going to need time to develop. Has a lot of upside but a whole lot of stuff to work through.
Oct 23, 2016 at 9:08 PM
- bzborow1
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Regardless, they are going to have to roll the dice on a QB at some point and hope you end up more like the Raiders with Carr or Philly with Wentz as opposed to the Rams with Goff.
Oct 23, 2016 at 9:16 PM
- Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by bzborow1:
Regardless, they are going to have to roll the dice on a QB at some point and hope you end up more like the Raiders with Carr or Philly with Wentz as opposed to the Rams with Goff.
To be fair we don't know what kind of QB Goff will be. Most people thought he would need to take some time to develop, he could turn out to be the best of that group or a complete bust but only time will tell.
In this upcoming draft there's a variety of QB prospects, whoever is in charge will have to do their best to evaluate them and then hopefully have a bit of luck because I do think luck plays a part in it too.
Oct 23, 2016 at 9:26 PM
- jersey49er
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As much as I love Mike Williams and Reuben Foster there is no way they don't take a QB, Watson or Kizer are going to be starting QB for the 49ers next year..i have no doubt in my mind about that..now if the niners could somehow trade back into the 1st round for 1 of the 2 you have them taking after taking a QB then id love that lol
Oct 23, 2016 at 9:27 PM
- Sims19849ers
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Originally posted by Tman:There is absolutely no way we are going into next year with the same qbs
This. This scenario means we re-signed Gabbert and Ponder and Kap opted in which is just not happening. We might win 4 more games with this roster and the same QBs.
We will have a top 3 pick and a ton of cash, we need have a better offseason than this