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Originally posted by Temecula49ersfan:You take the best player available at #2. You do not reach at that spot. There is no qb in this draft worth the 2nd pick. Second or third round is a completely different story as their is value, potential and more starting experience available.
Originally posted by genus49:Originally posted by Temecula49ersfan:You take the best player available at #2. You do not reach at that spot. There is no qb in this draft worth the 2nd pick. Second or third round is a completely different story as their is value, potential and more starting experience available.
People though Matt Ryan was somewhat a reach when Atlanta took him...pretty sure most people didn't have him as a top 3 guy. Think Miami and St Louis would like him on the roster now?
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
He really huks the ball doe. He winds up and steps into the throw wit a feelin..Does not look effortless in any way..
Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Originally posted by jcs:
Taking this in as a prospect vs prospect analysis and not based on his NFL career because we know what Alex is now but we don't know how good or how bad Mitch is going to turn out.
Measurables, they include Height, weight, hand size, arm length, 40 time, ss, vertical, 3 cone, broad jump and even the wonderlic. Core strength is not a measurement that is used and if it was that vital for the role then one could wonder why Brady and Montana have been successful and why Drunkenmiller and Quinn were not? Some QB's do the bench and that along with weight may be the only measurable he will in the end exceeds Alex at but that assumes his weight is more in the 220 range and not in the 209 range that some profiles have him listed at but if he comes in at 6-1. All this being said and once these measurable are eventually taken I bet Alex ends up with the better numbers as he is better athlete hands down.
As a prospect with regards to passing...if you include his sloppy mechanics and throwing motion do you think Mitch is going to manage a pro day as good as Smiths "standing ovation" that at the time was only comparable to the legendary pro day Troy Aikman once threw? Took snaps under center, made every throw in the book according to articles, missed on just ONE throw. With mitch, we'll have to see.
As to rawness coming out of college....do we even need to talk about experience? Alex finished his second season with a top 5 national raking and a fiesta bowl win...how about Mitch? Alex was a first team all American...how about mitch? Maybe we can talk about their intelligence, degrees and education....wait...do you think Mitch will eventually come back to graduate? I know Alex finished his bachelors degree in two years. I know degrees don't matter to NFLers but intelligence is important isn't it? I wonder what kind of wonderlic Mitch is going to score...not to say it's a test of passing ability but Alex scored a 40.
Alex wasn't the greatest #1 overall pick but as a prospect he was justifiably worth a top 5 selection and he produced in college over two seasons.
Mitch on the other hand might not hit 6-2, has sloppy mechanics and poor footwork, has only shown 1 season worth of film and finished on an unranked team that lost their bowl game to a McCaffery less Stanford. Reports on Mitch have also been questionable as recently as the Daniel Jeremiah post yesterday (http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2/3/14500374/2017-nfl-draft-deshone-kizer-mitch-trubisky-anonymous-executives). The other analysis we will wait and see as the draft vetting continues, but right now the two don't even compare.
So many things wrong with this post.
1. Core strength & more weight is important for a QB because more core strength = he can take a hit better & won't get injured as easily.
2. The Druckenmiller / Quinn argument is silly. Ben Roethlisberger. Mitch is thicker, stronger & a better athlete than Alex ever was. Where are you getting your information?
3. Even Urban Meyer said Alex would be useless at first. He was super raw. Mitch is raw too, but that's not an advantage in the Alex column by any means.
4. Mitch doesn't have sloppy mechanics. His mechanics are fine. And his footwork has been great when he's under pressure. He stays calm & delivers the ball. People talk about footwork like it's supposed to look one way & that's it; everyone moves differently (I taught ballroom dance for a while, and that's a lesson you learn early on). I could give a f**k if his feet don't look pretty as long as he delivers a strike to his guy (which he consistently does without turning the ball over). The important part is how quickly he makes his movements, and he delivers the ball extremely quickly.
5. The friggn' Tar Heels lost to Stanford, and that's supposed to be a negative on Mitch?
...Is Mitch a perfect prospect? No. He's not Andrew Luck 2.0. He'll be off target from time to time. But he's an excellent prospect, and he'll be a top-10 QB in the league at worst by year 4.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
His arm strength was better before his shoulder got wrecked but it still never was great or exceptional in anyway.
Originally posted by jcs:His arm strength has been good enough to make 2x pro bowls and have a 11 year career, not bad when you consider Nolan did his best to ruin him as a prospect with the OC musical chairs and the push to play when he was still hurt.
Originally posted by jcs:
2. Where do you get your facts? Links? Mitch is an avg athlete until he proves otherwise
. Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:Originally posted by jcs:His arm strength has been good enough to make 2x pro bowls and have a 11 year career, not bad when you consider Nolan did his best to ruin him as a prospect with the OC musical chairs and the push to play when he was still hurt.
The pro bowl excuse is weak. Trevor Siemian would have been a pro bowl qb if he accepted this year. Andy Dalton was even a pro bowl qb this year... Alex Smith is a good average QB and that's all. Theres nothing wrong with that
Originally posted by jcs:
5.Considering it was his ONLY big game experience yes. He went 2-2 against ranked teams this year and if you include the bowl game 2-3.
Originally posted by jcs:
His arm strength has been good enough to make 2x pro bowls and have a 11 year career, not bad when you consider Nolan did his best to ruin him as a prospect with the OC musical chairs and the push to play when he was still hurt.
Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Now I know you've got some other reason you don't like Trubisky because this is f***ing ridiculous reasoning. You do realize he played for the North Carolina, right? You're saying his RECORD is an indication of how good he'll be in the NFL?
Whenever a quarterback leaves school early, the experts say he should've stayed. Before knocking him, find some legit on-field criticism.Originally posted by jcs:Yes it plays a role. I don't want to dig up statistics but there are revealing ones about win's and losses in college and how that translated to wins and losses in the pros as well as game experience in college in relation to results in the pros. He should have stayed in college another year, I think he came out because he saw Cleveland with the #1 overall and if you read his biography you'll find he loves that city, loves his family and loves that team.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Reading a few scouting reports most of them say Rodgers had a better arm than Alex. So Mitch likely beats him there but it should be noted Mitch's deep ball isn't being heavily praised either.
Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Originally posted by jcs:
2. Where do you get your facts? Links? Mitch is an avg athlete until he proves otherwise
Right. Average.
You're being silly right now.
