Mitch "Mr Biscuit" Trubisky-QB-North Carolina | Page 183

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A QB worth keeping an eye on throughout the season. This is his first year as a starter and he is leading in several passing categories, has largely looked pretty good this season including a terrific comeback win against Pitt. He comes with decent size at 6'3", has added some bulk during his time at North Carolina and also has the athleticism to take off and run with the football if needed. He has thrown 203 consecutive passes without an interception, the longest current streak in the nation. The offense that North Carolina runs is quite similar to Chip Kelly's offense, its a frantic, one-back up-tempo spread offense that utilizes the no huddle a lot. I'll take the Tar Heels entire WR group as well, incredibly well coached group, excellent route runners with outstanding hands(1 drop all season long). Ryan Switzer is one to watch for sure. That has definitely helped Trubisky out but he's made some really excellent throws at times, beating coverage, making timely decisions and with good ball placement on his passes. https://vine.co/v/5rjQ2h2Vvrl http://www.espn.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/94971/north-carolina-qb-mitch-trubisky-proving-hes-among-nations-elite CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- They had noticed the fans leaving after Pitt drilled a field goal to run its fourth-quarter lead to 13, but now, as North Carolina drove toward the end zone in the game's final minutes with a chance to pull out a win, the crowd seemed impossibly loud. Bug Howard was sore, having fought off physical defenders all game. Mack Hollins was just a spectator, an injury forcing him to the sideline. Ryan Switzer was so exhausted he compared the drive to an out-of-body experience. Their quarterback though? Mitch Trubisky was cool as a cucumber. "There was not one time when we thought he was nervous or we thought the stage was too big for him," Switzer said. "He was even-keeled the entire time. I think I even got a smile out of him." What's not to smile about? Trubisky is riding high after four games and, with apologies to that guy getting all the headlines at Louisville, he might be the country's hottest quarterback. Let's start with that game-winning drive. North Carolina needed 17 gut-wrenching plays to march 63 yards. It wasn't a thing of beauty. It was a deliberate, gritty, physical performance. On the drive, Trubisky completed three different throws on fourth-and-6 or longer, converting all for a first down. That's an insane statistic, really. Over the past 10 years, only one other Power 5 quarterback has converted more fourth-down throws in the fourth quarter of a one possession game in an entire career. "I wasn't really thinking about it," Trubisky said. "Just thinking about getting the first down, knowing the situation, trying to communicate. We just made it happen." That drive was Trubisky battling, but so much of the past three games have been easy. Trubisky started last week's contest by completing his first 12 throws, which ran his streak of consecutive completions to 30. That was a school record. Overall this season, he's completed 74.5 percent of his throws, second nationally, despite the fact that he has thrown more deep balls (passes of 20 yards or more in the air) than all but nine other Power 5 quarterbacks.

Feb 4, 2017 at 7:51 PM

#2731

Rascal
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Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Alex Smith 2.0

Now this is getting ridiculous.

To begin with Alex Smith couldn't throw half the distance of Trubisky.

.

Oh my God, the ball has no zip whatsoever.

Hey, do you need glasses?

The dude is about to get fired by the Chiefs cos he can't push the ball downfield for cry out loud!!

Feb 4, 2017 at 7:55 PM

#2732

jcs
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Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Alex Smith 2.0

Now this is getting ridiculous.

To begin with Alex Smith couldn't throw half the distance of Trubisky.

.

Oh my God, the ball has no zip whatsoever.

Hey, do you need glasses?

The dude is about to get fired by the Chiefs cos he can't push the ball downfield for cry out loud!!

Feb 4, 2017 at 8:06 PM

#2733

Rascal
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Originally posted by jcs:

Given you 7 dudes on the mocks on the last page as well and they are the main guys like Mel Kiper, Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, Rob Rang, etc, etc. Still not enough?! LOL.

Feb 4, 2017 at 8:20 PM

#2734

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Originally posted by Rascal:
Given you 7 dudes on the mocks on the last page as well and they are the main guys like Mel Kiper, Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, Rob Rang, etc, etc. Still not enough?! LOL.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2017.php
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-trubisky-bears-pff-2017-mock-draft/
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/nfl-mock-draft-2017-1.11395517
http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/30/nfl-mock-draft-2017-myles-garrett-reuben-foster
http://www.drafttek.com/2017-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/sd-sp-nfl-mock-draft-2017-three-rounds-20170131-story.html

Literally typed mock draft on google.com and these were the ones on the first page of results that didn't have him #2

Feb 4, 2017 at 8:23 PM

#2735

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Originally posted by jcs:
http://walterfootball.com/draft2017.php
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-trubisky-bears-pff-2017-mock-draft/
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/nfl-mock-draft-2017-1.11395517
http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/30/nfl-mock-draft-2017-myles-garrett-reuben-foster
http://www.drafttek.com/2017-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/sd-sp-nfl-mock-draft-2017-three-rounds-20170131-story.html

Literally typed mock draft on google.com and these were the ones on the first page of results that didn't have him #2

Come on, Walter Football?! I am talking about the main guys. LOL.

Feb 4, 2017 at 8:39 PM

#2736

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Originally posted by Rascal:
Come on, Walter Football?! I am talking about the main guys. LOL.

You mean the 99% that agree with you....lol

Feb 4, 2017 at 9:04 PM

#2737

Rascal
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Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Come on, Walter Football?! I am talking about the main guys. LOL.

You mean the 99% that agree with you....lol

No, I mean the main analysts that people actually pay attention to.

Feb 4, 2017 at 11:36 PM

#2738

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Originally posted by jcs:
Alex was a better prospect coming out of college. Measurable will be better than Mitch's and he was a two year starter. Alex in certain ways also put up better statistics.

No, no and vague. Mostly no.

Alex was the rawest of sushi products coming out of college. And his core strength, arm strength, weight & speed won't be as good as Mitch's, so there goes #2. And I'm not sure what you mean by "certain ways," but you can't really compare college stats 1 to 1.

[ Edited by NinerSickness on Feb 4, 2017 at 11:37 PM ]

Feb 5, 2017 at 12:39 AM

#2739

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Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Alex Smith 2.0

Now this is getting ridiculous.

To begin with Alex Smith couldn't throw half the distance of Trubisky.

.

Oh my God, the ball has no zip whatsoever.

Hey, do you need glasses?

The dude is about to get fired by the Chiefs cos he can't push the ball downfield for cry out loud!!

He really huks the ball doe. He winds up and steps into the throw wit a feelin..Does not look effortless in any way..

Feb 5, 2017 at 12:46 AM

#2740

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Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by jcs:
Alex was a better prospect coming out of college. Measurable will be better than Mitch's and he was a two year starter. Alex in certain ways also put up better statistics.

No, no and vague. Mostly no.

Alex was the rawest of sushi products coming out of college. And his core strength, arm strength, weight & speed won't be as good as Mitch's, so there goes #2. And I'm not sure what you mean by "certain ways," but you can't really compare college stats 1 to 1.

Taking this in as a prospect vs prospect analysis and not based on his NFL career because we know what Alex is now but we don't know how good or how bad Mitch is going to turn out.

Measurables, they include Height, weight, hand size, arm length, 40 time, ss, vertical, 3 cone, broad jump and even the wonderlic. Core strength is not a measurement that is used and if it was that vital for the role then one could wonder why Brady and Montana have been successful and why Drunkenmiller and Quinn were not? Some QB's do the bench and that along with weight may be the only measurable he will in the end exceeds Alex at but that assumes his weight is more in the 220 range and not in the 209 range that some profiles have him listed at but if he comes in at 6-1. All this being said and once these measurable are eventually taken I bet Alex ends up with the better numbers as he is better athlete hands down.

As a prospect with regards to passing...if you include his sloppy mechanics and throwing motion do you think Mitch is going to manage a pro day as good as Smiths "standing ovation" that at the time was only comparable to the legendary pro day Troy Aikman once threw? Took snaps under center, made every throw in the book according to articles, missed on just ONE throw. With mitch, we'll have to see.

As to rawness coming out of college....do we even need to talk about experience? Alex finished his second season with a top 5 national raking and a fiesta bowl win...how about Mitch? Alex was a first team all American...how about mitch? Maybe we can talk about their intelligence, degrees and education....wait...do you think Mitch will eventually come back to graduate? I know Alex finished his bachelors degree in two years. I know degrees don't matter to NFLers but intelligence is important isn't it? I wonder what kind of wonderlic Mitch is going to score...not to say it's a test of passing ability but Alex scored a 40.

Alex wasn't the greatest #1 overall pick but as a prospect he was justifiably worth a top 5 selection and he produced in college over two seasons.

Mitch on the other hand might not hit 6-2, has sloppy mechanics and poor footwork, has only shown 1 season worth of film and finished on an unranked team that lost their bowl game to a McCaffery less Stanford. Reports on Mitch have also been questionable as recently as the Daniel Jeremiah post yesterday (http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2/3/14500374/2017-nfl-draft-deshone-kizer-mitch-trubisky-anonymous-executives). The other analysis we will wait and see as the draft vetting continues, but right now the two don't even compare.

Feb 5, 2017 at 1:53 AM

#2741

NinerSickness
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Originally posted by jcs:
Taking this in as a prospect vs prospect analysis and not based on his NFL career because we know what Alex is now but we don't know how good or how bad Mitch is going to turn out.

Measurables, they include Height, weight, hand size, arm length, 40 time, ss, vertical, 3 cone, broad jump and even the wonderlic. Core strength is not a measurement that is used and if it was that vital for the role then one could wonder why Brady and Montana have been successful and why Drunkenmiller and Quinn were not? Some QB's do the bench and that along with weight may be the only measurable he will in the end exceeds Alex at but that assumes his weight is more in the 220 range and not in the 209 range that some profiles have him listed at but if he comes in at 6-1. All this being said and once these measurable are eventually taken I bet Alex ends up with the better numbers as he is better athlete hands down.

As a prospect with regards to passing...if you include his sloppy mechanics and throwing motion do you think Mitch is going to manage a pro day as good as Smiths "standing ovation" that at the time was only comparable to the legendary pro day Troy Aikman once threw? Took snaps under center, made every throw in the book according to articles, missed on just ONE throw. With mitch, we'll have to see.

As to rawness coming out of college....do we even need to talk about experience? Alex finished his second season with a top 5 national raking and a fiesta bowl win...how about Mitch? Alex was a first team all American...how about mitch? Maybe we can talk about their intelligence, degrees and education....wait...do you think Mitch will eventually come back to graduate? I know Alex finished his bachelors degree in two years. I know degrees don't matter to NFLers but intelligence is important isn't it? I wonder what kind of wonderlic Mitch is going to score...not to say it's a test of passing ability but Alex scored a 40.

Alex wasn't the greatest #1 overall pick but as a prospect he was justifiably worth a top 5 selection and he produced in college over two seasons.

Mitch on the other hand might not hit 6-2, has sloppy mechanics and poor footwork, has only shown 1 season worth of film and finished on an unranked team that lost their bowl game to a McCaffery less Stanford. Reports on Mitch have also been questionable as recently as the Daniel Jeremiah post yesterday (http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2/3/14500374/2017-nfl-draft-deshone-kizer-mitch-trubisky-anonymous-executives). The other analysis we will wait and see as the draft vetting continues, but right now the two don't even compare.

So many things wrong with this post.

1. Core strength & more weight is important for a QB because more core strength = he can take a hit better & won't get injured as easily.
2. The Druckenmiller / Quinn argument is silly. Ben Roethlisberger. Mitch is thicker, stronger & a better athlete than Alex ever was. Where are you getting your information?
3. Even Urban Meyer said Alex would be useless at first. He was super raw. Mitch is raw too, but that's not an advantage in the Alex column by any means.
4. Mitch doesn't have sloppy mechanics. His mechanics are fine. And his footwork has been great when he's under pressure. He stays calm & delivers the ball. People talk about footwork like it's supposed to look one way & that's it; everyone moves differently (I taught ballroom dance for a while, and that's a lesson you learn early on). I could give a f**k if his feet don't look pretty as long as he delivers a strike to his guy (which he consistently does without turning the ball over). The important part is how quickly he makes his movements, and he delivers the ball extremely quickly.
5. The friggn' Tar Heels lost to Stanford, and that's supposed to be a negative on Mitch?

...Is Mitch a perfect prospect? No. He's not Andrew Luck 2.0. He'll be off target from time to time. But he's an excellent prospect, and he'll be a top-10 QB in the league at worst by year 4.

[ Edited by NinerSickness on Feb 5, 2017 at 1:55 AM ]

Feb 5, 2017 at 1:57 AM

#2742

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Originally posted by Bali-Niner:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Alex Smith 2.0

Now this is getting ridiculous.

To begin with Alex Smith couldn't throw half the distance of Trubisky.

.

Oh my God, the ball has no zip whatsoever.

Hey, do you need glasses?

The dude is about to get fired by the Chiefs cos he can't push the ball downfield for cry out loud!!

He really huks the ball doe. He winds up and steps into the throw wit a feelin..Does not look effortless in any way..

That's what I am saying. Is like he is putting the very last drop of power he can possibly muster into his throw in order to get the ball travel more than 20 yards.

It is actually pretty easy to differentiate between that and someone who actually has an arm. With a dude that has power such as Kap for example the ball actually pops out of his hand, it should look somewhat effortless and yet the ball not only should travel a long way, but also at velocity.

Alex Smith is just what he is. He was Mike Nolan's career-ending mistake.

Feb 5, 2017 at 6:06 AM

#2743

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Honestly I think Alex's arm was never the same after his shoulder injury and his development was stunted by how poorly he was handled here. If anything he should get credit for keeping his head on straight and salvaging his career by changing his approach.

If Trubisky is a similar prospect(personally I don't see it) that's not a bad thing at all. I think Kyle Shanahan could've turned Alex Smith into a stud. So if he feels strongly enough about Mitch then take him.

That's the upside to having a HC who knows offense so well and has coached multiple types of QBs.

I trust his eye for the position as long as our guys put these prospects under a major microscope session. Check all those skeletons in their closets and make sure they're going to do their part to get better and better.

Feb 5, 2017 at 9:15 AM

#2744

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You take the best player available at #2. You do not reach at that spot. There is no qb in this draft worth the 2nd pick. Second or third round is a completely different story as their is value, potential and more starting experience available.

Feb 5, 2017 at 9:29 AM

#2745

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Originally posted by Temecula49ersfan:
You take the best player available at #2. You do not reach at that spot. There is no qb in this draft worth the 2nd pick. Second or third round is a completely different story as their is value, potential and more starting experience available.

That is the biggest load of BS I've heard in my life.

Dude, if you only pick BPA, you will never be able to land a top QB prospect.

You need to factor in need too. To pick by BPA in isolation will be plain stupid.