Mitch "Mr Biscuit" Trubisky-QB-North Carolina

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Then why not bring in a good vet if you don't think he's a starter? We need a good vet to help all the young guys

I put up a Calis Cambell thread on the FA site.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Watch him leave only to go to play lights out with a good coaching staff...just because we couldn't wait a couple yrs to develop him, you know because we're on the verge of being playoff contenders and don't have that type of time

Ha, pretty darn funny and true!!!

Wahhhh he wasn't a pro bowler after 700 snaps and a dislocated shoulder...instant gratification generation lol

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by Jcool:

49ers aren't going to take 3 DEs in 3 drafts. We aren't the mid 2000s Lions.

Dont be so sure, although I think he projects as an Olb and not DE. I wouldn't have a problem taking him. Why would you?

Bpa all day!!!

If you're referring to Jonathan Allen, I don't see him as an OLB at all and I'm not sure who would. If anything, he'd be a 3-technique DT or possibly a 3-4 DE. If we switched to a more traditional 4-3 for example (and say we added someone like Jonathan Hankins in free agency), he'd help to form an incredibly strong and deep front:

Buckner - Hankins - Allen - Armstead

Lynch - Dial - Fields - Harold

You could then rotate in nickel pass rushers like Lynch or Harold as needed, and even move Buckner or Armstead inside on occasion to get tremendous push up the middle.

You'd be better off IMO kicking Buckner inside, and using that money on a 4-3 pass rusher on the left edge where you have Buck currently, IMO.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wahhhh he wasn't a pro bowler after 700 snaps and a dislocated shoulder...instant gratification generation lol

34 tackles and 4 sacks over TWO seasons.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Wahhhh he wasn't a pro bowler after 700 snaps and a dislocated shoulder...instant gratification generation lol

34 tackles and 4 sacks over TWO seasons.

700 snaps...go on

Originally posted by jcs:
This discussion started because people said we were set at DE with AA and didn't need to draft another one. Never said cut him just don't look at him as our starter next year and ignore the position, especially if there is a guy like J.Allen availalble.

The guy was our best player in training camp by all accounts...then he hurt his shoulder.

Do you think maybe if he didn't hurt his shoulder he would've proven to be a pretty good starter?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
700 snaps...go on

two seasons....go on

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Draftology:
You don't pass on a superstar unless you already have one in that position. I'm not saying that Allen will be a superstar, but if we have that kind of grade on him, it would be silly not to take him because we have Armstead there already...

49ers aren't going to take 3 DEs in 3 drafts. We aren't the mid 2000s Lions.

I think you forget that the last receiver they took was Calvin Johnson. Using your logic they would have passed on a hall of famer because they took Charles Rogers and Roy Williams the years prior. That is the perfect example to make my point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Then I don't see the point in drafting Allen

Then you're thinking short-sided. I want Mitch or Myles, but Allen is going to be a stud; and you can never have too many stud DL.

I'm not saying he's gonna be bad he's good...I don't believe in drafting the same position three yrs in a row especially when you need help at other positions.

That's a very faulty strategy. You draft for the next decade, not for the next season. The Giants showed us all you can't have too many good DL back when they were winning SBs. They overloaded on the DL, and they got 2 rings out of it.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Then why not bring in a good vet if you don't think he's a starter? We need a good vet to help all the young guys

I put up a Calis Cambell thread on the FA site.

I'd rather have Chris baker who can play all over that line he wouldn't command as much money and AA would still get a lot of snaps

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Draftology:
You don't pass on a superstar unless you already have one in that position. I'm not saying that Allen will be a superstar, but if we have that kind of grade on him, it would be silly not to take him because we have Armstead there already...

Buck is on his way to being very good that leaves one other DE and we currently have 3 very young players at that position. If he's such a stud someone will be willing to trade up for him

How often have you seen a team trade up for a 3-4 end? JJ Watt turned out to be a stud and no one traded up for him. It's easy to say trade back but that requires another team to play ball.

Everyone always preaches BPA in the draft, but then we constantly debate what we need. When you're picking that high and your roster is as depleted as ours, you are not in a position to be passing on stud players.

To be clear though, I don't think he actually is the best player for us to take at that spot. My argument is that if we have that high of a grade on him, we need to pull the trigger.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by Jcool:
49ers aren't going to take 3 DEs in 3 drafts. We aren't the mid 2000s Lions.

Dont be so sure, although I think he projects as an Olb and not DE. I wouldn't have a problem taking him. Why would you?

Bpa all day!!!

If you're referring to Jonathan Allen, I don't see him as an OLB at all and I'm not sure who would. If anything, he'd be a 3-technique DT or possibly a 3-4 DE. If we switched to a more traditional 4-3 for example (and say we added someone like Jonathan Hankins in free agency), he'd help to form an incredibly strong and deep front:

Buckner - Hankins - Allen - Armstead

Lynch - Dial - Fields - Harold

You could then rotate in nickel pass rushers like Lynch or Harold as needed, and even move Buckner or Armstead inside on occasion to get tremendous push up the middle.

You'd be better off IMO kicking Buckner inside, and using that money on a 4-3 pass rusher on the left edge where you have Buck currently, IMO.

Like I said, you can definitely kick him inside on certain packages, but I also see him as having the potential to be a 4-3 LDE, setting the edge on the strong side and working over RTs on the pass rush. He'd probably need to shed some weight down to maybe 285 to be more agile on the edge, but that's not impossible. He's a hard worker and already has the more difficult experience as a 2-gap lineman under his belt.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

700 snaps...go on

two seasons....go on

Yup only played 300 as a rookie and 400 this yr with a dislocated shoulder all yr....that's less then a season worth of snaps. Clowney had 33 tackles and 4.5 sacks his first two seasons and he had right around 700 snaps (next to watt) boy they should have just moved on from him huh??

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup only played 300 as a rookie and 400 this yr with a dislocated shoulder all yr....that's less then a season worth of snaps. Clowney had 33 tackles and 4.5 sacks his first two seasons and he had right around 700 snaps (next to watt) boy they should have just moved on from him huh??

If he was any good he probably would have seen more than 300 snaps as a rookie. 400 snaps this season goes into Nov. when we force fed him the starting role and he failed miserably. You talk like he hasn't had opportunity to show what he can do, he's just been bad when he's out there.

Originally posted by jcs:

If he was any good he probably would have seen more than 300 snaps as a rookie. 400 snaps this season goes into Nov. when we force fed him the starting role and he failed miserably. You talk like he hasn't had opportunity to show what he can do, he's just been bad when he's out there.

Yeah just like aldon smith who had like 400 his rookie yr

AA was injuried in training camp buzzy not during the season