Originally posted by NYniner85:You don't pass on a superstar unless you already have one in that position. I'm not saying that Allen will be a superstar, but if we have that kind of grade on him, it would be silly not to take him because we have Armstead there already...
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Originally posted by jcs:
Everyone is injured at some point in the season...excuse. The over shooting his gap responsibilities against the run is all in his head. The giving up on plays before they are done is all in his heart. Bad pick by Baalke...Bad Player.
1. I agree that Armstead has not been impressive
2. If we think Jonathan Allen will be a superstar, we should take him
3. It's ridiculous to draw a definitive conclusion on Armstead. There just isn't enough data and many of your criticisms are fixable. Give the guy another year before you call him a bum.
Then I don't see the point in drafting Allen
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Originally posted by Draftology:
You don't pass on a superstar unless you already have one in that position. I'm not saying that Allen will be a superstar, but if we have that kind of grade on him, it would be silly not to take him because we have Armstead there already...
49ers aren't going to take 3 DEs in 3 drafts. We aren't the mid 2000s Lions.
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Originally posted by Draftology:
Originally posted by NYniner85:You don't pass on a superstar unless you already have one in that position. I'm not saying that Allen will be a superstar, but if we have that kind of grade on him, it would be silly not to take him because we have Armstead there already...
Originally posted by Draftology:
Originally posted by jcs:
Everyone is injured at some point in the season...excuse. The over shooting his gap responsibilities against the run is all in his head. The giving up on plays before they are done is all in his heart. Bad pick by Baalke...Bad Player.
1. I agree that Armstead has not been impressive
2. If we think Jonathan Allen will be a superstar, we should take him
3. It's ridiculous to draw a definitive conclusion on Armstead. There just isn't enough data and many of your criticisms are fixable. Give the guy another year before you call him a bum.
Then I don't see the point in drafting Allen
Agreed. Allen wouldn't be my first choice at #2, but if the team grades him out as the BPA, that's the direction we should go in. This team is devoid of REAL talent across the board and is not likely to be competitive for at least another 2-3 years; they would only compound that problem by picking for need and passing up prospects that are more highly rated, particularly at the top of the draft.
Feb 4, 2017 at 2:53 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah head coaches are known for telling the truth regarding injuries...try again lol
You'd think fans remember just how much shoulder injuries hurt defensive linemen. We lost the SB because of shoulder injuries to Justin and Aldon that year...yet they both played.
However anyone watching our defense once the two guys got hurt could see the decline. Giving up on Armstead right now without seeing him healthy is just dumb considering the guy was more potential. Let's see if he can live up to it before shipping him somewhere else. Jeez...
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Originally posted by NinerSickness:Originally posted by NYniner85:Then I don't see the point in drafting Allen
Then you're thinking short-sided. I want Mitch or Myles, but Allen is going to be a stud; and you can never have too many stud DL.
I'm not saying he's gonna be bad he's good...I don't believe in drafting the same position three yrs in a row especially when you need help at other positions.
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Originally posted by Jcool:49ers aren't going to take 3 DEs in 3 drafts. We aren't the mid 2000s Lions.
Dont be so sure, although I think he projects as an Olb and not DE. I wouldn't have a problem taking him. Why would you?
Bpa all day!!!
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Originally posted by genus49:
You'd think fans remember just how much shoulder injuries hurt defensive linemen. We lost the SB because of shoulder injuries to Justin and Aldon that year...yet they both played.
However anyone watching our defense once the two guys got hurt could see the decline. Giving up on Armstead right now without seeing him healthy is just dumb considering the guy was more potential. Let's see if he can live up to it before shipping him somewhere else. Jeez...
This discussion started because people said we were set at DE with AA and didn't need to draft another one. Never said cut him just don't look at him as our starter next year and ignore the position, especially if there is a guy like J.Allen availalble.
Feb 4, 2017 at 2:56 PM
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Originally posted by Draftology:You don't pass on a superstar unless you already have one in that position. I'm not saying that Allen will be a superstar, but if we have that kind of grade on him, it would be silly not to take him because we have Armstead there already...
Buck is on his way to being very good that leaves one other DE and we currently have 3 very young players at that position. If he's such a stud someone will be willing to trade up for him
Feb 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM
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Originally posted by genus49:Originally posted by NYniner85:Yeah head coaches are known for telling the truth regarding injuries...try again lol
You'd think fans remember just how much shoulder injuries hurt defensive linemen. We lost the SB because of shoulder injuries to Justin and Aldon that year...yet they both played.
However anyone watching our defense once the two guys got hurt could see the decline. Giving up on Armstead right now without seeing him healthy is just dumb considering the guy was more potential. Let's see if he can live up to it before shipping him somewhere else. Jeez...
Watch him leave only to go to play lights out with a good coaching staff...just because we couldn't wait a couple yrs to develop him, you know because we're on the verge of being playoff contenders and don't have that type of time
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We need a QB at 2. We try to get the one we want..We start him and let go through growing pains with the first year...if its Trubisky..do it
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Originally posted by NYniner85:Watch him leave only to go to play lights out with a good coaching staff...just because we couldn't wait a couple yrs to develop him, you know because we're on the verge of being playoff contenders and don't have that type of time
Ha, pretty darn funny and true!!!
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Originally posted by JBrack:
Originally posted by Jcool:
49ers aren't going to take 3 DEs in 3 drafts. We aren't the mid 2000s Lions.
Dont be so sure, although I think he projects as an Olb and not DE. I wouldn't have a problem taking him. Why would you?
Bpa all day!!!
Allen is not projected at linebacker. He is 6-3, 292
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Originally posted by jcs:This discussion started because people said we were set at DE with AA and didn't need to draft another one. Never said cut him just don't look at him as our starter next year and ignore the position, especially if there is a guy like J.Allen availalble.
Then why not bring in a good vet if you don't think he's a starter? We need a good vet to help all the young guys
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Originally posted by Jcool:Originally posted by JBrack:Originally posted by Jcool:49ers aren't going to take 3 DEs in 3 drafts. We aren't the mid 2000s Lions.
Dont be so sure, although I think he projects as an Olb and not DE. I wouldn't have a problem taking him. Why would you?
Bpa all day!!!
Allen is not projected at linebacker. He is 6-3, 292
Yeah I would have thought OLB 2 years ago when he was around 265 nut he's added quite a bit of size. Last year I wanted him to come out so he could slim down and play OLB for us (I thought he was a late 1st/early 2nd pick)
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Originally posted by JBrack:
Originally posted by Jcool:
49ers aren't going to take 3 DEs in 3 drafts. We aren't the mid 2000s Lions.
Dont be so sure, although I think he projects as an Olb and not DE. I wouldn't have a problem taking him. Why would you?
Bpa all day!!!
If you're referring to Jonathan Allen, I don't see him as an OLB at all and I'm not sure who would. If anything, he'd be a 3-technique DT or possibly a 3-4 DE. If we switched to a more traditional 4-3 for example (and say we added someone like Jonathan Hankins in free agency), he'd help to form an incredibly strong and deep front:
Buckner - Hankins - Allen - Armstead
Lynch - Dial - Blair - Harold
You could then rotate in nickel pass rushers like Lynch or Harold as needed, and even move Buckner or Armstead inside on occasion to get tremendous push up the middle.
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