Mitch "Mr Biscuit" Trubisky-QB-North Carolina

You can't just jot down "DT" next to both AA and Buckner. What front do you intend to play? are you playing an over/under front? if so, who is your 1t? are you playing a mirroring 3t front? what about in base? with double 3ts, you have a massive hole in the middle, which plugging with with a nose would put us back to a 3-4...

Originally posted by jcs:

I think Buckner can succeed in any Defensive system. AA is strait up awful however. Yeah you look to replacing him already as he's barely contributed and in many ways has hampered this defense in the two seasons he's been here. AA has zero awareness of whats happening around him and he gives up too easily on plays. The big thing is his effort actually took a step down this year over last and effort has everything to do with desire.

This team is further away from the 3-4 than the 4-3 today. We don't have the LB's to run the 3-4 system successfully let alone the depth required at that position as well. What we do have is a lot of depth at is DLine. Plus outside of Bowman who is comping back from his second IR in 3 years from knee injuries we NEED starting LB's across the board to keep running the 3-4. What we have right now are backups playing the roles.

J.Allen is good enough to play both inside and outside in the 4-3 and have a major impact and Buckner is talented enough to do the same as well. To run the system we would need one OLB for the 4-3 and that could temporarily be Ray Ray or Whilhoite as both were Safeties in other lives. We also have the depth to compete for the other LB slots assuming Bow even comes back and we have the Dline depth to find another starter at DE and DT off the current roster. Forcing the 3-4 to utilize AA's size is a waste IMO again especially without LB's.

I'll repeat it you don't move on from a 23 yr old based off 700 snaps that's not even a full season worth of film man...with that thinking the Texans should have trashed clowney after his first couple seasons lol....you try pushing 300 lb men out of the way with a dislocated shoulder, complete bull s**t with lack of effort comment... he played hurt all yr and you know it.

Please tell me of any good 4-3 DE that are 6-7 290+ lbs?? You're basically taken what our players are good at and throwing them into a system that they aren't made for because you want to draft ONE guy smh. Buckner weakness is run support, so you want to push him inside??

Wait who's our sideline to sideline LBs for a 4-3??
Ray ray played in a 4-3 before coming here and failed miserably. MW and Bow gonna be running around in coverage??

We have nothing that's totally ideal for a 4-3, hence the reason we've been drafting for a 3-4 for the past 6 yrs! But yeah drafting Allen will cure all of that...stop

Originally posted by bzborow1:
3-4.
DE - AA, Buckner
NT - Somebody else
OLB - Lynch, Somebody else
MLB - Bowman, Anybody else

4-3.
DE- Lynch, Somebody else (Barrett? TEN)
DT - Bucker, AA
OLB - Brooks, Somebody else
ILB - Bowman

??

3-4
DE - AA/Dial and Buck
NT - Maybe Dorsey no depth
OLB - maybe Lynch and Brooks again?
ILB - Bow and Ray Ray/Hodges

Realize this is the same 3-4 lineup as last year that failed.

4-3
DE - Buck and Lynch/A.Brooks/Tank
DT - Dorsey, Dial and Blair/(Draft Allen)
OLB - Ray Ray or Whilhoite - coverage
ILB - Bow and Hodges/Harold

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll repeat it you don't move on from a 23 yr old based off 700 snaps that's not even a full season worth of film man...with that thinking the Texans should have trashed clowney after his first couple seasons lol....you try pushing 300 lb men out of the way with a dislocated shoulder, complete bull s**t with lack of effort comment... he played hurt all yr and you know it.

Please tell me of any good 4-3 DE that are 6-7 290+ lbs?? You're basically taken what our players are good at and throwing them into a system that they aren't made for because you want to draft ONE guy smh. Buckner weakness is run support, so you want to push him inside??

Wait who's our sideline to sideline LBs for a 4-3??
Ray ray played in a 4-3 before coming here and failed miserably. MW and Bow gonna be running around in coverage??

We have nothing that's totally ideal for a 4-3, hence the reason we've been drafting for a 3-4 for the past 6 yrs! But yeah drafting Allen will cure all of that...stop

You forget the 1st round Dlinemen we've moved on from in the 2000's for less. It's more than doable.

We've also drafted horribly for the 3-4 over the last 6 years it's why the Defense last year was the worst 49er defense in HISTORY.

Originally posted by Heroism:

You can't just jot down "DT" next to both AA and Buckner. What front do you intend to play? are you playing an over/under front? if so, who is your 1t? are you playing a mirroring 3t front? what about in base? with double 3ts, you have a massive hole in the middle, which plugging with with a nose would put us back to a 3-4...

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Why trade anything when you can just sign him in a yr? The relationship with Kirk and Washingtons FO is rocky...if he wants to come here then just let him play under the tag and come here in 2018. As far as value goes look at Jimmy G, while I don't agree that he's worth a 1st it sounds like some teams my give that up...he's done next to nothing compared to Kirk.

If Jimmy g is worth say the Browns 12th pick where does that leave kirk's worth...I'm guessing higher.

I got no problem speaking with Washington like you said...my issue is what you think would be a fair trade

Hell If we could get Kirk from swapping 1st, get their 2nd and 1st and 2nd next yr ...ynch would instantly become the best GM in the league

To clarify I didn't say a 1st and 2nd in 2018 just a 2nd. Based on what I value Cousins at that's what I would look for, but I understand that it would probably be somewhere in the middle of my value and perceptional value.

Cleveland would be overpaying if they give up #12 for Jimmy but who am I to judge. Sashi has his analytics to go off of, lol.

Who we going with at 2 if we plan to sign Cousins in 2018? It's either Garrett if he's there or trade down.

Originally posted by jcs:
I know the tracker hasn't been updated since Dec. Mock drafts are not rankings. That said our pick needs to be Garrett #1 and Allen #2 depending on what Cleveland does.

It's definitely been updated, and a lot of these grades are just being populated now. I like looking at these grades, as it's a way to evaluate prospects across various years somewhat objectively. The "rankings" differ every year, but in theory the scouting grades should be comparable. Interesting to see that not only is Mitch tied for 3rd highest rated prospect in this years draft, but he also has a higher grade than Wentz/Goff in last years draft, or Winston/Mariota in the prior years.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade


If he turns out to be 5'8" at the combine that could change, and this obviously doesn't guarantee success, but I think it does pretty much does guarantee that the guy is going to go in the top 3 of the draft in my opinion. Prospects of Trubisky's stature go at the very top of the draft. That's a fact.

So if Shanny likes the guy, and Garrett is off the board, than take him. Simple as that. No hand-wringing around value needed. If he rates a guy like Peterman or Mahomes higher than Trubisky, than that is a different story, and we can target them with our 2nd round pick.

Originally posted by jcs:

You forget the 1st round Dlinemen we've moved on from in the 2000's for less. It's more than doable.

We've also drafted horribly for the 3-4 over the last 6 years it's why the Defense last year was the worst 49er defense in HISTORY.

Balmer was a 320lb DT drafted 29th overall, they did something similar to what your talking about doing and changed him to a DE and guess what he failed! Good coaches put players in a position to succeed not force them to play a position that they aren't suited for "just because."

No s**t they were bad! Go look at who was IR we were rolling out third string LB/NT and had no pass rushers because Brooks blows, lynch was out, and Eli/tank are backups OH and because our DC has NEVER coached a good defense ever! Coaching matters.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

To clarify I didn't say a 1st and 2nd in 2018 just a 2nd. Based on what I value Cousins at that's what I would look for, but I understand that it would probably be somewhere in the middle of my value and perceptional value.

Cleveland would be overpaying if they give up #12 for Jimmy but who am I to judge. Sashi has his analytics to go off of, lol.

Who we going with at 2 if we plan to sign Cousins in 2018? It's either Garrett if he's there or trade down.

Word...I'm on board with a qb of shanny likes him. Obviously Myles is the choice if there, I wouldn't hate a trade down but we need to get working on developing a qb.

Originally posted by Heroism:
You can't just jot down "DT" next to both AA and Buckner. What front do you intend to play? are you playing an over/under front? if so, who is your 1t? are you playing a mirroring 3t front? what about in base? with double 3ts, you have a massive hole in the middle, which plugging with with a nose would put us back to a 3-4...

I say keep Buck at LE and only play AA on passing downs because he's a huge liability against the run no matter the role. I think Blair could easily be one of your DT's and Dorsey could be brought back to play the other a role he's already seen in the NFL plus you can use Dial as a rotational guy to help with the run. Your RE is the issue but you have enough talent to work with in Lynch, Brooks and tank in his natural position.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
3-4.
DE - AA, Buckner
NT - Somebody else
OLB - Lynch, Somebody else
MLB - Bowman, Anybody else

4-3.
DE- Lynch, Somebody else (Barrett? TEN)
DT - Bucker, AA
OLB - Brooks, Somebody else
ILB - Bowman

??

3-4
DE - AA/Dial and Buck
NT - Maybe Dorsey no depth
OLB - maybe Lynch and Brooks again?
ILB - Bow and Ray Ray/Hodges

Realize this is the same 3-4 lineup as last year that failed.

4-3
DE - Buck and Lynch/A.Brooks/Tank
DT - Dorsey, Dial and Blair/(Draft Allen)
OLB - Ray Ray or Whilhoite - coverage
ILB - Bow and Hodges/Harold

Wilhoite is way to slow to play OLB. RayRay would be great though.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Balmer was a 320lb DT drafted 29th overall, they did something similar to what your talking about doing and changed him to a DE and guess what he failed! Good coaches put players in a position to succeed not force them to play a position that they aren't suited for "just because."

No s**t they were bad! Go look at who was IR we were rolling out third string LB/NT and had no pass rushers because Brooks blows, lynch was out, and Eli/tank are backups OH and because our DC has NEVER coached a good defense ever! Coaching matters.

AA and Balmer are similar players in the effort they give I think AA is our next Balmer pick. Mcgrew had the same issues, effort and situational awareness.

IR is an excuse, outside of the rams this D was bad before injury was an issue.

If Cousins is the guy Shanahan really wants, it makes sense to go after him in 2018...that's when the 'Skins will be out of options other than a long-term contract. But, that still leaves the 2017 season...I think making a deal to get Garrapolo now is a smart move. There are no guarantees they'll get Cousins...if the 'Skins are smart, they'll do whatever it takes to hammer out a contract he'll sign. I'd much rather see JG under C than Hoyer or any number of other journeyman vets. KS and Lynch will want to make a big leap in talent this off-season...because I'm sure they don't see their team drafting in the top 10 next year. We've heard what Shanahan looks for in a QB...and based on that I believe they won't consider taking one in the 1st rd. So, they get JG and draft a QB after rd 1. My choice is Mahomes...because he has the traits Shanahan looks for in a QB. He'll need coaching up to get used to life under C, but he's got a high football IQ, so I'm sure he can adjust accordingly. They may opt to sign a 2nd vet QB to b/u Garrapolo & that's fine. But, I'm pretty sure Shanahan will want a QB he feels he can win with this season...that's his DNA and one of the big reasons he'll be our HC very soon.

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Originally posted by theninermaniac:

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How do you feel about Trubisky at 2?