Mitch "Mr Biscuit" Trubisky-QB-North Carolina

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

NFL.com is made up of more than just DJ

Link?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts? all those guys play a part in creating the NFL.com big board

You'd think since Mitch is currently the 3rd overall prospect ( tied with Allen and Solomon) and DJ has him 31st that the other guys are much higher on him?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker

Originally posted by NYniner85:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts? all those guys play a part in creating the NFL.com big board

You'd think since Mitch is currently the 3rd overall prospect ( tied with Allen and Solomon) and DJ has him 31st that the other guys are much higher on him?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker

I know the tracker hasn't been updated since Dec. Mock drafts are not rankings. That said our pick needs to be Garrett #1 and Allen #2 depending on what Cleveland does.

Originally posted by jcs:

I know the tracker hasn't been updated since Dec. Mock drafts are not rankings. That said our pick needs to be Garrett #1 and Allen #2 depending on what Cleveland does.

The people making the mocks put the big board together not just DJ, I didn't feel like putting all their names down...pretty sure they've been updated since the senior bowl.

Edit; no we will not be drafting our 3rd DE in 3 yrs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The people making the mocks put the big board together not just DJ, I didn't feel like putting all their names down...pretty sure they've been updated since the senior bowl.

Edit; no we will not be drafting our 3rd DE in 3 yrs.

The one we drafted in 15' is never going to be a full time starter. Consider we set all time 49er records last year on D in the worst way says we need impact players on that side. Plus we might move back to a 4-3 depending on the dc.

Originally posted by jcs:

The one we drafted in 15' is never going to be a full time starter. Consider we set all time 49er records last year on D in the worst way says we need impact players on that side. Plus we might move back to a 4-3 depending on the dc.

Your not throwing a 23 yr old in the trash off of 700 snaps it's not happening...that's not progress man. Dude played this season with a dislocated shoulder lol.

Where you playing buck and AA in a 4-3? They arent edge rushers in a 4-3. They're about 30 lbs to big and are too slow. Throw them inside to stop the run and eat up blockers? f**k that...same with Allen he's a 3-4 DE man. We don't have the the personnel to run a 4-3 we don't have the Lbs or DL.

Allen buck aa lynch would be the worlds slowest pass rush lol.

People need to stop with forcing certain players on this team...we need a NT and a OLB AND a real coaching staff to get back on track in the 3-4...for the 4-3 we would need 2 LBers and at least two nee DL s**ts not happening...Kyle has even stated he schemes based on who's on his team and their strengths he's not putting square pegs in round holes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

I understand what the tag does but it doesn't mean Washington can't negotiate. The cost of going from #17 to #2 is steep, real steep. Steeper than Cousins alone, at least on paper.

That being said I like Trubisky as a prospect but his height is a big question mark. Hope he comes in close to what he is listed at.

If he signes a nonexclusive franchise tag and we make and offer to Kirk AND Washington doesn't match it, it WILL cost us two 1sts that's the rules my man.

I understand the draft value chart from 17 to 2 but that all goes out the window when your throwing in FQB in the trade.

Why don't we just wait a yr, let him play under the tag again then sign him as a FA...we all know he's a fan of Kyle. This team isn't gonna be good with him here this yr regardless...get a stop gap draft someone like Peterman to develop and go after Kirk in 2018

Like I stated earlier in the thread the tag would be in lieu of the trade. Washington would have to have him under contract in order to trade him. I know the rules.

You still have to put a value on a "FQB" and in this case for Cousins. Even if you value him at two first rounders one in 2017 and 2018 (second round value placed due to the year after) is still not even close.

We can do that but there are still so many variables at that point. He could still extend with Washington or decide to sign with another team. Why not aggressively pursue now if we can work a trade down scenario that doesn't cost us anything?

Realistically, signing Hoyer and drafting Trub@2 if he's available may be our best bet. But I'm at least reaching out to Washington if things are going sour on extension talks like they were last year.

Originally posted by fan49:

cousins value to me has to be higher than trubs. trubs will be lucky to do what cousins has. could trubs be better of course. but history shows its unlikely. SO if you value trubs at 2. I value cousins at 1. and the 9ners would be lucky to have him.

Doesn't work that way. Draft picks are at a higher value because of the low cost comparative to what someone like Cousins would cost.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

NFL.com is made up of more than just DJ

Link?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts? all those guys play a part in creating the NFL.com big board

You'd think since Mitch is currently the 3rd overall prospect ( tied with Allen and Solomon) and DJ has him 31st that the other guys are much higher on him?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker

I believe the big board is done by Zeirlein.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Your not throwing a 23 yr old in the trash off of 700 snaps it's not happening...that's not progress man. Dude played this season with a dislocated shoulder lol.

Where you playing buck and AA in a 4-3? They arent edge rushers in a 4-3. They're about 30 lbs to big and are too slow. Throw them inside to stop the run and eat up blockers? f**k that...same with Allen he's a 3-4 DE man. We don't have the the personnel to run a 4-3 we don't have the Lbs or DL.

Allen buck aa lynch would be the worlds slowest pass rush lol.

People need to stop with forcing certain players on this team...we need a NT and a OLB AND a real coaching staff to get back on track in the 3-4...for the 4-3 we would need 2 LBers and at least two nee DL s**ts not happening...Kyle has even stated he schemes based on who's on his team and their strengths he's not putting square pegs in round holes.

I think Buckner can succeed in any Defensive system. AA is strait up awful however. Yeah you look to replacing him already as he's barely contributed and in many ways has hampered this defense in the two seasons he's been here. AA has zero awareness of whats happening around him and he gives up too easily on plays. The big thing is his effort actually took a step down this year over last and effort has everything to do with desire.

This team is further away from the 3-4 than the 4-3 today. We don't have the LB's to run the 3-4 system successfully let alone the depth required at that position as well. What we do have is a lot of depth at DLine. Plus outside of Bowman who is coming back from his second IR in 3 years from multiple knee injuries we NEED starting LB's across the board to keep running the 3-4. What we have right now are backups playing the roles.

J.Allen is good enough to play both inside and outside in the 4-3 and have a major impact and Buckner is talented enough to do the same as well. To run the system we would need one OLB for the 4-3 and that could temporarily be Ray Ray or Whilhoite as both were Safeties in other lives. We also have the depth to compete for the other LB slots assuming Bow even comes back and we have the Dline depth to find another starter at DE and DT off the current roster. Forcing the 3-4 to utilize AA's size is a waste IMO again especially without LB's.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts? all those guys play a part in creating the NFL.com big board

You'd think since Mitch is currently the 3rd overall prospect ( tied with Allen and Solomon) and DJ has him 31st that the other guys are much higher on him?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker

I know the tracker hasn't been updated since Dec. Mock drafts are not rankings. That said our pick needs to be Garrett #1 and Allen #2 depending on what Cleveland does.

Look at Thomas Solomon got grade at 6.8 and Allen got grade at 6.8. I think, Solomon is better than Allen Cuz Alabama defense team is pretty good and plus good coach defense too. Chicago should draft to Solomon than Allen.

apologies if this was already posted. this is very surprising to hear:

I couldn't find a scout or executive who was excited about DeShone Kizer or Mitch Trubisky. When you're talking to teams that already have an established signal-caller, there's no reason for them to feed me false information. In fact, it would benefit them if these quarterbacks went early, dropping talented players at other positions into their lap. I'm sure one or more of these quarterback prospects will get hot and gather some steam as we head toward the draft. Will it be one of the three mentioned above or will we see another name emerge? Buckle up. This is going to be an interesting ride. -- Daniel Jeremiah

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000782360/article/move-the-sticks-notes-teams-divided-about-deshaun-watson?campaign=tw-cf-sf54335851-sf54335851

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Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Like I stated earlier in the thread the tag would be in lieu of the trade. Washington would have to have him under contract in order to trade him. I know the rules.

You still have to put a value on a "FQB" and in this case for Cousins. Even if you value him at two first rounders one in 2017 and 2018 (second round value placed due to the year after) is still not even close.

We can do that but there are still so many variables at that point. He could still extend with Washington or decide to sign with another team. Why not aggressively pursue now if we can work a trade down scenario that doesn't cost us anything?

Realistically, signing Hoyer and drafting Trub@2 if he's available may be our best bet. But I'm at least reaching out to Washington if things are going sour on extension talks like they were last year.

Why trade anything when you can just sign him in a yr? The relationship with Kirk and Washingtons FO is rocky...if he wants to come here then just let him play under the tag and come here in 2018. As far as value goes look at Jimmy G, while I don't agree that he's worth a 1st it sounds like some teams my give that up...he's done next to nothing compared to Kirk.

If Jimmy g is worth say the Browns 12th pick where does that leave kirk's worth...I'm guessing higher.

I got no problem speaking with Washington like you said...my issue is what you think would be a fair trade

Hell If we could get Kirk from swapping 1st, get their 2nd and 1st and 2nd next yr ...ynch would instantly become the best GM in the league

Originally posted by Heroism:
apologies if this was already posted. this is very surprising to hear:

I couldn't find a scout or executive who was excited about DeShone Kizer or Mitch Trubisky. When you're talking to teams that already have an established signal-caller, there's no reason for them to feed me false information. In fact, it would benefit them if these quarterbacks went early, dropping talented players at other positions into their lap. I'm sure one or more of these quarterback prospects will get hot and gather some steam as we head toward the draft. Will it be one of the three mentioned above or will we see another name emerge? Buckle up. This is going to be an interesting ride. -- Daniel Jeremiah

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000782360/article/move-the-sticks-notes-teams-divided-about-deshaun-watson?campaign=tw-cf-sf54335851-sf54335851

Eye opening....not surprising....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
The one we drafted in 15' is never going to be a full time starter. Consider we set all time 49er records last year on D in the worst way says we need impact players on that side. Plus we might move back to a 4-3 depending on the dc.

Your not throwing a 23 yr old in the trash off of 700 snaps it's not happening...that's not progress man. Dude played this season with a dislocated shoulder lol.

Where you playing buck and AA in a 4-3? They arent edge rushers in a 4-3. They're about 30 lbs to big and are too slow. Throw them inside to stop the run and eat up blockers? f**k that...same with Allen he's a 3-4 DE man. We don't have the the personnel to run a 4-3 we don't have the Lbs or DL.

Allen buck aa lynch would be the worlds slowest pass rush lol.

People need to stop with forcing certain players on this team...we need a NT and a OLB AND a real coaching staff to get back on track in the 3-4...for the 4-3 we would need 2 LBers and at least two nee DL s**ts not happening...Kyle has even stated he schemes based on who's on his team and their strengths he's not putting square pegs in round holes.

3-4.
DE - AA, Buckner
NT - Somebody else
OLB - Lynch, Somebody else
MLB - Bowman, Anybody else

4-3.
DE- Lynch, Somebody else (Barrett? TEN)
DT - Bucker, AA
OLB - Brooks, Somebody else
ILB - Bowman

??

Where do Buckner and AA play in the 49ers nickel packages? Because those are used more than the base defense nowadays anyways.