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Originally posted by jreff22:
My point was nobody needing a QB should be drafting in front of us, except for maybe Cleveland. So the idea of trading up might not even need to happen.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by ninerAxe:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by ninerAxe:
Realistically, based upon performance so far how high do you guys think we'll end up picking?
This team is not as bad as perceived talentwise, much more competitive will fight till the end, and far better coaching compared to last year. Schedule or not, Im sure they'll be some games we'll win that "we should've had no business being in" etc.
Based on how they've played so far, I have a hard time seeing them picking in the top 5.
Top 10 sounds about right, I expect and hope they will move to wherever they need to go to get the QB they want.
I'm not familiar with the draft pick value chart, but assuming we pick around 7 again how much would it cost to move to the top 3? I'm assuming the value has gone up even more with what the Rams and Eagles did.
Gonna depend on who's on the board and what the team feels will be there at the 7th pick (and if they are getting other calls). Bills moved from 9th to 4th to get Watkins and they gave up the 9th and a 1st and 4th next yr.
Hard to look at the Rams and Philly trades because they were in the teens moving up to one and two.
Originally posted by ninerAxe:I think Philly moved up to 8 (thanks to the trade with the Dolphins) right behind us before they traded up to 2. Still gave up a huge amount moving up 6 spots
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by ninerAxe:I think Philly moved up to 8 (thanks to the trade with the Dolphins) right behind us before they traded up to 2. Still gave up a huge amount moving up 6 spots
Yeah your right.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by ninerAxe:I think Philly moved up to 8 (thanks to the trade with the Dolphins) right behind us before they traded up to 2. Still gave up a huge amount moving up 6 spots
Yeah your right.
With the way Wentz has looked after two games it may have been well worth it.
Originally posted by JR80Forever:
The problem with a lot of people on this board though is that they want a QB, but not enough to trade up and get one. That is the problem. If Watson is the "perfect" fit for Kelly, then you do whatever it takes to get him. Plain and Simple.
I would trade up to #1 overall and give up a king's ransom to get Watson.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
You think they are going to bail on him one year after giving him a contract? He's got minimum 2 years IMO before a move is made.
Possibly.
Taylor's contract is clear: the Bills have until the third day of the 2017 league year (in mid-March) to exercise a $15.5 million option, which would trigger the 2018-21 seasons of his contract. In addition to paying Taylor the $15.5 million bonus, the team would also pay him a fully-guaranteed $12 million base salary for the 2017 season once the option is exercised.
If the Bills don't exercise the option and Taylor remains on the roster on the fourth day of the 2017 league year, then Taylor's 2017 base salary will be a fully-guaranteed $27.5 million -- the exact amount they would pay him if they exercised the option.
In other words, the Bills' choices after this season are to (1) pay Taylor $27.5 million, or (2) decline the option and release him before the fourth day of the 2017 league year, and owe him nothing. If Taylor continues at his current performance level, then door No. 2 becomes a real possibility for a team that is staring down the possibility of a losing season and a potential rebuild.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This. Would offer them a 2nd and 3rd rounder in a heartbeat though. As much as the "system QB" label gets tossed around, Garoppolo comes with stuff that you just can't coach, tremendous awareness in the pocket, a lightning quick release and natural leadership ability. Throw in smooth footwork and decent athleticism and I could see him being a great fit in Kelly's offense.
I think he might be too good for the Patriots to give up on though.
FOXBORO — If Jimmy Garoppolo didn't get hurt, he was well on his way to one of the best second career starts in NFL history.
Garoppolo put on a clinic Sunday in the first 1.5 quarters as the Patriots led 21-0 and Garoppolo was 18-for-27 with 234 yards and three touchdown passes before leaving with a right shoulder injury.
New England scored touchdowns on each of its first three possessions.
By our count, Garoppolo averaged 2.24 seconds from snap-to-throw, which is higher than his 2.03 seconds in Week 1 against the Cardinals, but where Garoppolo excelled was when taking less than two seconds.
When taking less than two seconds, Garoppolo was 11-for-13 with 132 yards and a touchdown. On the opening drive when Garoppolo went 5-for-5, four of those passes took less than two seconds.
"Jimmy was playing unbelievable," wide receiver Chris Hogan said. "The kid was playing lights out. That goes to his preparation and what we talked about as a team last week but this is the NFL and that kind of stuff happens."
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2016/09/19/stopwatch-jimmy-garoppolos-quick-release-torches-dolphins-defense-before-injury/
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by FL9er:
Piggybacking off of jreff post in another thread, these are the teams that could be in the market for a young QB:
Chicago
New Orleans
Washington
Cleveland
NY Jets
The Jets are the only potential playoff team on the list. I know this is blasphemous to say, but if the 49ers have to pay a heavy price to move up to the top of the draft, I think they are better equipped to do it this time around. This team is going nowhere until they get a QB. Easier said than done.
My point was nobody needing a QB should be drafting in front of us, except for maybe Cleveland. So the idea of trading up might not even need to happen.
I think it is too early to say that. Chicago looks awful, even when Cutler is healthy. Washington is not much better.
We don't know what this season will bring for the 49ers but this team has a lot more talent than many observers see. I would not be surprised to see them win 7 games which means a major move will have to be made to move up for a QB. Think Atlanta Julio Jones movement.
EDIT: I don't have a problem with that kind of move if Baalke/Kelly believe the right guy is there. Fortunately there is a lot of time left to evaluate all the options.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by ninerAxe:
I think Philly moved up to 8 (thanks to the trade with the Dolphins) right behind us before they traded up to 2. Still gave up a huge amount moving up 6 spots
Yeah your right.
With the way Wentz has looked after two games it may have been well worth it.
They traded McCoy and Bradford. They've made up a lot of ground.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Continues at his current performance?
2015
63.7% completion
7.99 YPA
20 passing TDs
6 INTs
568 rushing yards
4 rushing TDs
99.4 passer rating
68.5 QBR
2 games into 2016
63.5% completion
7.85 YPA
3 passing TDs
1 INT
98.9 passer rating
67.1 QBR
I know you didnt write the article. I just find it funny that on this site, certain players producing those types of numbers are looked at as players that need to be replaced, and other players are put up on a pedestal. Tyrod is solid. Nothing more, nothing less.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by FL9er:
Piggybacking off of jreff post in another thread, these are the teams that could be in the market for a young QB:
Chicago
New Orleans
Washington
Cleveland
NY Jets
The Jets are the only potential playoff team on the list. I know this is blasphemous to say, but if the 49ers have to pay a heavy price to move up to the top of the draft, I think they are better equipped to do it this time around. This team is going nowhere until they get a QB. Easier said than done.
My point was nobody needing a QB should be drafting in front of us, except for maybe Cleveland. So the idea of trading up might not even need to happen.
I think it is too early to say that. Chicago looks awful, even when Cutler is healthy. Washington is not much better.
We don't know what this season will bring for the 49ers but this team has a lot more talent than many observers see. I would not be surprised to see them win 7 games which means a major move will have to be made to move up for a QB. Think Atlanta Julio Jones movement.
EDIT: I don't have a problem with that kind of move if Baalke/Kelly believe the right guy is there. Fortunately there is a lot of time left to evaluate all the options.
Good post and agree that we'll win just enough games to move us out of contention for the best QB fits.
It will be very interesting to see if Baalke will take the plunge!
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Taylor is still seen as a big ???? in Buffalo, as a guy who struggles on third downs and struggles with short area accuracy, taking off and running too frequently instead of staying in the pocket and going through his progressions, throwing off his back foot too often....etc.....stop me if you've heard some of these before.