Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by mayo49:
He's a running Qb and throws way too many int's.

4563 Yards passing 67% completion percentage and 41 Passing TD's vs 629 yards rushing and 9 Rushing TD's.

Just for reference he threw 17 INT's this year (0 in Jan)....in comparison 2015 #1 overall pick Jameis Winston tossed 18 INT's his sophomore season vs 25 TD's you could even compare him to Jared Goff who threw 13 INT's his Jr year and 30 over three compared to Watsons 32 over his three seasons.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:

He's a running Qb and throws way too many int's.

4563 Yards passing 67% completion percentage and 41 Passing TD's vs 629 yards rushing and 9 Rushing TD's.

Just for reference he threw 17 INT's this year (0 in Jan)....in comparison 2015 #1 overall pick Jameis Winston tossed 18 INT's his sophomore season vs 25 TD's.

Carson Wentz in his junior AND senior years COMBINED threw for 4762 yards passing 63.1% completion percentage and 42 TDs and 14 INTs. And that was against 1AA opponents. Yet somehow most of the non Watson fans would be fine with us taking him #2 but not Watson?

Both Winston and Matt Ryan had more int's than Watson their last season.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:

He's a running Qb and throws way too many int's.

4563 Yards passing 67% completion percentage and 41 Passing TD's vs 629 yards rushing and 9 Rushing TD's.

Just for reference he threw 17 INT's this year (0 in Jan)....in comparison 2015 #1 overall pick Jameis Winston tossed 18 INT's his sophomore season vs 25 TD's.

Carson Wentz in his junior AND senior years COMBINED threw for 4762 yards passing 63.1% completion percentage and 42 TDs and 14 INTs. And that was against 1AA opponents. Yet somehow most of the non Watson fans would be fine with us taking him #2 but not Watson?

Players get drafted based on their skillsets and potential, not their college stats. If Watson was 6'5 230 (Wentz's size) and put up those stats, I'd be completely fine taking him at #2 even though his arm strength is probably a little worse than Wentz's. If Watson put up those numbers and had Mahomes' or Kizer's arm strength, he'd probably be the #1 pick.

Trubisky was statistically a better QB than Watson this year (more efficient by far if you take out the game he played in a hurricane). If you're equating stats with draft position, I assume Trubisky is your top choice?

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Carson Wentz in his junior AND senior years COMBINED threw for 4762 yards passing 63.1% completion percentage and 42 TDs and 14 INTs. And that was against 1AA opponents. Yet somehow most of the non Watson fans would be fine with us taking him #2 but not Watson?

Drew Brees had a 20 INT season for the boilermakers, threw 45 INTs in college. Phillip Rivers threw 34 in college. Eli Manning thew 36 and had a 15 INT season. Carson Palmer had an 18 INT season and threw 49 INTs in college. Andy Dalton threw 30 INTs in college. Stafford thew 33 INT's in college.

INTs happen and it wasn't like he cost his team wins, he only lost 2 games over his entire college career.

Watson also gave his receivers a lot of chances to make plays on the balls. He really trusted his wideouts and would either throw
Them open a lot, backshoulder throws and jump balls.

Those ints are part of playing the type of ball he played and I don't think he was an int machine like a lot of people do.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:

He's a running Qb and throws way too many int's.

4563 Yards passing 67% completion percentage and 41 Passing TD's vs 629 yards rushing and 9 Rushing TD's.

Just for reference he threw 17 INT's this year (0 in Jan)....in comparison 2015 #1 overall pick Jameis Winston tossed 18 INT's his sophomore season vs 25 TD's.

Carson Wentz in his junior AND senior years COMBINED threw for 4762 yards passing 63.1% completion percentage and 42 TDs and 14 INTs. And that was against 1AA opponents. Yet somehow most of the non Watson fans would be fine with us taking him #2 but not Watson?

Players get drafted based on their skillsets and potential, not their college stats. If Watson was 6'5 230 (Wentz's size) and put up those stats, I'd be completely fine taking him at #2 even though his arm strength is probably a little worse than Wentz's. If Watson put up those numbers and had Mahomes' or Kizer's arm strength, he'd probably be the #1 pick.

Trubisky was statistically a better QB than Watson this year (more efficient by far if you take out the game he played in a hurricane). If you're equating stats with draft position, I assume Trubisky is your top choice?

Um.....no he wasn't statistically better. Maybe 1 or 2, but not overall by a long shot

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPtefuGh2QA/?taken-by=deshaunwatson4

That's a great video. Watson does have really nice mechanics. I love the arm slot from which he throws.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:

He's a running Qb and throws way too many int's.

4563 Yards passing 67% completion percentage and 41 Passing TD's vs 629 yards rushing and 9 Rushing TD's.

Just for reference he threw 17 INT's this year (0 in Jan)....in comparison 2015 #1 overall pick Jameis Winston tossed 18 INT's his sophomore season vs 25 TD's.

Carson Wentz in his junior AND senior years COMBINED threw for 4762 yards passing 63.1% completion percentage and 42 TDs and 14 INTs. And that was against 1AA opponents. Yet somehow most of the non Watson fans would be fine with us taking him #2 but not Watson?

Players get drafted based on their skillsets and potential, not their college stats. If Watson was 6'5 230 (Wentz's size) and put up those stats, I'd be completely fine taking him at #2 even though his arm strength is probably a little worse than Wentz's. If Watson put up those numbers and had Mahomes' or Kizer's arm strength, he'd probably be the #1 pick.

Trubisky was statistically a better QB than Watson this year (more efficient by far if you take out the game he played in a hurricane). If you're equating stats with draft position, I assume Trubisky is your top choice?

I think Watson's arm strength, size, and accuracy are just fine and will not hinder his NFL success. I'm a fan of Tribisky as well but I feel that Watson would be the better pro. In the 4th quarter of a game it is hard to trust size and arm strength, it is easier to trust what Watson has and has been displaying since his true freshman year at Clemson

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:
He's a running Qb and throws way too many int's.

4563 Yards passing 67% completion percentage and 41 Passing TD's vs 629 yards rushing and 9 Rushing TD's.

Just for reference he threw 17 INT's this year (0 in Jan)....in comparison 2015 #1 overall pick Jameis Winston tossed 18 INT's his sophomore season vs 25 TD's.

Carson Wentz in his junior AND senior years COMBINED threw for 4762 yards passing 63.1% completion percentage and 42 TDs and 14 INTs. And that was against 1AA opponents. Yet somehow most of the non Watson fans would be fine with us taking him #2 but not Watson?

Players get drafted based on their skillsets and potential, not their college stats. If Watson was 6'5 230 (Wentz's size) and put up those stats, I'd be completely fine taking him at #2 even though his arm strength is probably a little worse than Wentz's. If Watson put up those numbers and had Mahomes' or Kizer's arm strength, he'd probably be the #1 pick.

Trubisky was statistically a better QB than Watson this year (more efficient by far if you take out the game he played in a hurricane). If you're equating stats with draft position, I assume Trubisky is your top choice?

Um.....no he wasn't statistically better. Maybe 1 or 2, but not overall by a long shot

He was better across the board statistically. You're probably ignoring the fact that Watson played 15 games while Trubisky played 13, including 1 in a hurricane that should be excluded from any comparisons. Without the hurricane game:

Trubisky:
308 passing yards per game
70.3% completion rate
8.9 yards per attempt
7.5 TD/INT ratio
167.1 passer rating
2.5 passing TDs, 0.3 INTs per game
26 rushing yards, 0.4 TDs per game

Watson:
306 passing yards per game
67.0% completion rate
7.9 yards per attempt
2.4 TD/INT ratio
151.1 passer rating
2.7 passing TDs, 1.1 INTs per game
42 rushing yards, 0.6 TDs per game

Kizer:
261 passing yards per game
60.6% completion rate
8.6 yards per attempt
3.3 TD/INT ratio
152.8 passer rating
2.4 passing TDs, 0.7 INTs per game
42 rushing yards, 0.7 TDs per game

Watson and Kizer were more prolific runners than Trubisky and had more combined rushing/passing TDs, but Trubisky was the most efficient of the 3 by far and the most accurate. Kizer and Watson are a much closer comparison statistically which is interesting because Watson had far more talent around him this year.

Trubisky was also fortunate to avoid both Louisville and Clemson in the ACC, who were both top 15 nationally in defense, and he obviously never had to go up against defenses the caliber of Alabama or Ohio State. In fact, Trubisky didn't face a single top 15 defense while Watson played against 4 different top 15 defenses (3 top 10). The best defense Trubisky faced was #18 VT in that hurricane game that you threw out, and Watson shredded the Hokies in the ACC Championship game while going for 5 total TDs.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:

He's a running Qb and throws way too many int's.

4563 Yards passing 67% completion percentage and 41 Passing TD's vs 629 yards rushing and 9 Rushing TD's.

Just for reference he threw 17 INT's this year (0 in Jan)....in comparison 2015 #1 overall pick Jameis Winston tossed 18 INT's his sophomore season vs 25 TD's.

Carson Wentz in his junior AND senior years COMBINED threw for 4762 yards passing 63.1% completion percentage and 42 TDs and 14 INTs. And that was against 1AA opponents. Yet somehow most of the non Watson fans would be fine with us taking him #2 but not Watson?

Players get drafted based on their skillsets and potential, not their college stats. If Watson was 6'5 230 (Wentz's size) and put up those stats, I'd be completely fine taking him at #2 even though his arm strength is probably a little worse than Wentz's. If Watson put up those numbers and had Mahomes' or Kizer's arm strength, he'd probably be the #1 pick.

Trubisky was statistically a better QB than Watson this year (more efficient by far if you take out the game he played in a hurricane). If you're equating stats with draft position, I assume Trubisky is your top choice?

Um.....no he wasn't statistically better. Maybe 1 or 2, but not overall by a long shot

He was better across the board statistically. You're probably ignoring the fact that Watson played 15 games while Trubisky played 13, including 1 in a hurricane that should be excluded from any comparisons. Without the hurricane game:

Trubisky:
308 passing yards per game
70.3% completion rate
8.9 yards per attempt
7.5 TD/INT ratio
167.1 passer rating
2.5 passing TDs, 0.3 INTs per game
26 rushing yards, 0.4 TDs per game

Watson:
306 passing yards per game
67.0% completion rate
7.9 yards per attempt
2.4 TD/INT ratio
151.1 passer rating
2.7 passing TDs, 1.1 INTs per game
42 rushing yards, 0.6 TDs per game

Kizer:
261 passing yards per game
60.6% completion rate
8.6 yards per attempt
3.3 TD/INT ratio
152.8 passer rating
2.4 passing TDs, 0.7 INTs per game
42 rushing yards, 0.7 TDs per game

Watson and Kizer were more prolific runners than Trubisky and had more combined rushing/passing TDs, but Trubisky was the most efficient of the 3 by far and the most accurate. Kizer and Watson are a much closer comparison statistically which is interesting because Watson had far more talent around him this year.

That's why I said overall (total), you did it per game. Trubisky was more efficient but also faced easier opponents

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:

He's a running Qb and throws way too many int's.

4563 Yards passing 67% completion percentage and 41 Passing TD's vs 629 yards rushing and 9 Rushing TD's.

Just for reference he threw 17 INT's this year (0 in Jan)....in comparison 2015 #1 overall pick Jameis Winston tossed 18 INT's his sophomore season vs 25 TD's.

Carson Wentz in his junior AND senior years COMBINED threw for 4762 yards passing 63.1% completion percentage and 42 TDs and 14 INTs. And that was against 1AA opponents. Yet somehow most of the non Watson fans would be fine with us taking him #2 but not Watson?

Players get drafted based on their skillsets and potential, not their college stats. If Watson was 6'5 230 (Wentz's size) and put up those stats, I'd be completely fine taking him at #2 even though his arm strength is probably a little worse than Wentz's. If Watson put up those numbers and had Mahomes' or Kizer's arm strength, he'd probably be the #1 pick.

Trubisky was statistically a better QB than Watson this year (more efficient by far if you take out the game he played in a hurricane). If you're equating stats with draft position, I assume Trubisky is your top choice?

Um.....no he wasn't statistically better. Maybe 1 or 2, but not overall by a long shot

He was better across the board statistically. You're probably ignoring the fact that Watson played 15 games while Trubisky played 13, including 1 in a hurricane that should be excluded from any comparisons. Without the hurricane game:

Trubisky:
308 passing yards per game
70.3% completion rate
8.9 yards per attempt
7.5 TD/INT ratio
167.1 passer rating
2.5 passing TDs, 0.3 INTs per game
26 rushing yards, 0.4 TDs per game

Watson:
306 passing yards per game
67.0% completion rate
7.9 yards per attempt
2.4 TD/INT ratio
151.1 passer rating
2.7 passing TDs, 1.1 INTs per game
42 rushing yards, 0.6 TDs per game

Kizer:
261 passing yards per game
60.6% completion rate
8.6 yards per attempt
3.3 TD/INT ratio
152.8 passer rating
2.4 passing TDs, 0.7 INTs per game
42 rushing yards, 0.7 TDs per game

Watson and Kizer were more prolific runners than Trubisky and had more combined rushing/passing TDs, but Trubisky was the most efficient of the 3 by far and the most accurate. Kizer and Watson are a much closer comparison statistically which is interesting because Watson had far more talent around him this year.

You probably failed to take out Kizer's hurricane game as well.