RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
I don't agree with your objectivity? How does that even make sense? Objectivity isn't the same as having an opinion.

Objectivity is a lack of bias. Are you saying I don't agree with your lack of bias?

Besides your second paragraph pretty much admits that you have a bias towards Fournette just like other people have a bias towards their fav picks in the draft. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not objective.

I am saying I believe I am being objective with regards to my choice of picking Fournette at 2. However, you disagree, so by definition of disagreeing I guess you are not agreeing with my objectivity?

Or how about we do this, since you don't agree with me and I don't agree with you, call it what you will, that we are both being subjective to our own pick of players.

All things considered, may be is best to agree to disagree, don't you think instead arguing about Fournette to death?

I don't know who you want at 2. But, you can be sure I am not going to challenge your pick. Freedom of choice, mate!

Originally posted by illinois9er:
Rascal just curious, would you rather take Fournette at 2 or trade down mid round and take Cook?

Honestly? I rather take Fournette at 2. I just think he is a game-changing type player. Cook is good and some say more all-rounded, but I don't see him as THAT guy if you will. I see Fournette in similar light as Beast Mode and AP. But, hey that's just my take.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Not trying to put words in your mouth.

I just want to find out who have you got that fits my RB brief better than Fournette.

Or let me ask you this, what if Fournette weren't rated nor mocked to go in the 1st round. What if he was rated as a 3rd round guy, would you have recommended him to me big time then?

Also, the numbers might suggest we had a good running game going last year, but in reality we really didn't. All those yards didn't amount to much.

I understand about the situation with the D. But, there are a million and one ways to rebuild a team. You could try to spread the ammo around evenly between offense and defense, that's one way. Or you could may be pick one side of the ball first. But, even more importantly in my view is that what BPA talents you have at 2. We can at least agree on one thing that Garrett is without doubt the undisputed No. 1 guy in the draft. However, after that it is almost anything goes. There isn't another Garrett for the 2 pick as in a clear best player at 2 in my opinion.

For me, Fournette is that guy. I know he is not your guy. But, BPA he is my guy and I think it will be a huge loss for the 9ers not to take him.

First off I'm not saying he's a bad RB, I think he's a very good RB prospect without question. So I don't want you to assume that.

So all those yards didn't mean anything? So why would bringing in a RB change anything, if being top 5 in running the ball didn't equal wins last yr? Hyde is far from a bad RB and his numbers show that. His issues have been health and getting too many carries...you're not drafting a player to split carries at two. Grab one of the other great RBs in this draft class to help him.

IMO a RB shouldn't even be drafted in the top 10 regardless...and please don't throw out the zeke example, SF's roster isn't even remotely close to Dallas roster. Maybe if we had a qb, OL, WR and a defense then yeah sure.

A Rb's shelf life isn't long and burning a top 2 pick on a guy who already gets injuried imo isn't smart. I want a 10+ yr player and that's just not what most RBs are.

What we need is defense and there are some very good players at the top. I think a trade down makes a ton of sense as well.

It's funny how crazy you were about Mitch and now it's LT...it's all offense for you.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Rascal just curious, would you rather take Fournette at 2 or trade down mid round and take Cook?

Honestly? I rather take Fournette at 2. I just think he is a game-changing type player. Cook is good and some say more all-rounded, but I don't see him as THAT guy if you will. I see Fournette in similar light as Beast Mode and AP. But, hey that's just my take.

Lol so you're telling me you wouldn't take multiple high end picks that could help this team get better much faster and still get a great RB?!

It's crazy how infatuated you get with one player....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Rascal just curious, would you rather take Fournette at 2 or trade down mid round and take Cook?

Honestly? I rather take Fournette at 2. I just think he is a game-changing type player. Cook is good and some say more all-rounded, but I don't see him as THAT guy if you will. I see Fournette in similar light as Beast Mode and AP. But, hey that's just my take.

Lol so you're telling me you wouldn't take multiple high end picks that could help this team get better much faster and still get a great RB?!

It's crazy how infatuated you get with one player....

I gave up last night . He's not even trying to use logic to debate. He's being defense. He thinks if he says he wants anyone other than Fournette in any scenario then he's wrong, so he's not budging in any way.

If only a trade back was possible. Hoping someone gets enamoured with a player and feel compelled to trade. At the moment I just don't see where it might come from.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
First off I'm not saying he's a bad RB, I think he's a very good RB prospect without question. So I don't want you to assume that.

So all those yards didn't mean anything? So why would bringing in a RB change anything, if being top 5 in running the ball didn't equal wins last yr? Hyde is far from a bad RB and his numbers show that. His issues have been health and getting too many carries...you're not drafting a player to split carries at two. Grab one of the other great RBs in this draft class to help him.

IMO a RB shouldn't even be drafted in the top 10 regardless...and please don't throw out the zeke example, SF's roster isn't even remotely close to Dallas roster. Maybe if we had a qb, OL, WR and a defense then yeah sure.

A Rb's shelf life isn't long and burning a top 2 pick on a guy who already gets injuried imo isn't smart. I want a 10+ yr player and that's just not what most RBs are.

What we need is defense and there are some very good players at the top. I think a trade down makes a ton of sense as well.

It's funny how crazy you were about Mitch and now it's LT...it's all offense for you.

No, I never said Hyde was a bad player, but Fournette is better and both are on cheapo rookie deals.

I am drafting him to split carries for now, it doesn't matter as I have already explained on the cheap contracts.

I will be paying less for Fournette and Hyde than Freeman and Coleman, so what do you care? Is costing me less, bro!!

But, once Hyde's contract is up which is next year, then that is a different matter, a decision will need to be made.

Or extend him since Fournette will still be on his cheapo rookie deal. And by the time Fournette's rookie deal is up, Hyde extension will also be up, then we make a decision.

I disagree with your RB shouldn't be drafted in the top 10 concept. And to stop me from bringing up Ezekiel Elliott won't change that. The point is bottom line you have to start somewhere with a rebuild. You can't just say well if you had a QB, an O-line, etc. then it may be different.

I haven't changed about drafting a QB at 2. But, by the same token I can't live in denial if the word on the street is Kyle and John are not high on the QBs. Again, like I said, if they go QB, say with "Mitchell", I will be cool with it as we are talking about QB here even if he is not BPA at 2.

However, if they don't want to take a QB until 2nd or 3rd, then it will have to be Fournette for me. He is just too good. He is a difference maker. At the 5 yard line with 5 secs to go, we need a TD to win the Super Bowl, Fournette is the guy that will get it done for us. That's my opinion.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

If only a trade back was possible. Hoping someone gets enamoured with a player and feel compelled to trade. At the moment I just don't see where it might come from.

Neither do I. It's just a hypothetical situation to see if he's thinking logically or just rolling with Fournette no matter what.

I like Solomon Thomas at 2 but if you're telling me I could trade down for multiple picks and still get a player around as good as him then hell yeah I'm doing it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol so you're telling me you wouldn't take multiple high end picks that could help this team get better much faster and still get a great RB?!

It's crazy how infatuated you get with one player....

Difference of opinion, mate. You have yours and I have mine.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
9ers would be incredibly stupid to not take him at 2. it's not even close he's the best choice he will change the offense

Oh yeah....do you think he's a fit for ZBS? I mean our defense was just amazing last yr lol

he's fit for any scheme, this guy is a special rb, once in a decade type talent..AP, Ladanian, emmitt, barry type that come along once in a while and can change games

i'm not sure how people don't see this on tape, the guy is a freak we'd be crazy to pass on such a weapon

Originally posted by Rascal:

No, I never said Hyde was a bad player, but Fournette is better and both are on cheapo rookie deals.

I am drafting him to split carries for now, it doesn't matter as I have already explained on the cheap contracts.

I will be paying less for Fournette and Hyde than Freeman and Coleman, so what do you care? Is costing me less, bro!!

But, once Hyde's contract is up which is next year, then that is a different matter, a decision will need to be made.

Or extend him since Fournette will still be on his cheapo rookie deal. And by the time Fournette's rookie deal is up, Hyde extension will also be up, then we make a decision.

I disagree with your RB shouldn't be drafted in the top 10 concept. And to stop me from bringing up Ezekiel Elliott won't change that. The point is bottom line you have to start somewhere with a rebuild. You can't just say well if you had a QB, an O-line, etc. then it may be different.

I haven't changed about drafting a QB at 2. But, by the same token I can't live in denial if the word on the street is Kyle and John are not high on the QBs. Again, like I said, if they go QB, say with "Mitchell", I will be cool with it as we are talking about QB here even if he is not BPA at 2.

However, if they don't want to take a QB until 2nd or 3rd, then it will have to be Fournette for me. He is just too good. He is a difference maker. At the 5 yard line with 5 secs to go, we need a TD to win the Super Bowl, Fournette is the guy that will get it done for us. That's my opinion.

Cheapo rookie deal.

26.6 mil 4 years for the number 2 pick.


Good for the 5th highest paid running back in the NFL.

why are people concerned about money? u have an elite rb locked up for 5yrs if you draft this guy. a guy who can change games, open up the pass due to his special ability, he will make the OL look better he will make the qb's job easier, he will help the d with moving the chains

and he will set a tone and can score from anywhere on the field on any given play, do you people realize how liberating and motivating that is for an OL to know that on any play your rb could score if you do your job?

Originally posted by Rascal:

No, I never said Hyde was a bad player, but Fournette is better and both are on cheapo rookie deals.

I am drafting him to split carries for now, it doesn't matter as I have already explained on the cheap contracts.

I will be paying less for Fournette and Hyde than Freeman and Coleman, so what do you care? Is costing me less, bro!!

But, once Hyde's contract is up which is next year, then that is a different matter, a decision will need to be made.

Or extend him since Fournette will still be on his cheapo rookie deal. And by the time Fournette's rookie deal is up, Hyde extension will also be up, then we make a decision.

I disagree with your RB shouldn't be drafted in the top 10 concept. And to stop me from bringing up Ezekiel Elliott won't change that. The point is bottom line you have to start somewhere with a rebuild. You can't just say well if you had a QB, an O-line, etc. then it may be different.

I haven't changed about drafting a QB at 2. But, by the same token I can't live in denial if the word on the street is Kyle and John are not high on the QBs. Again, like I said, if they go QB, say with "Mitchell", I will be cool with it as we are talking about QB here even if he is not BPA at 2.

However, if they don't want to take a QB until 2nd or 3rd, then it will have to be Fournette for me. He is just too good. He is a difference maker. At the 5 yard line with 5 secs to go, we need a TD to win the Super Bowl, Fournette is the guy that will get it done for us. That's my opinion.

Other positions are more valuable plain and simple...you want to start somewhere but why RB, when that position has proven to not be a position of longevity??

How many RBs have been drafted at two in the past 10+ yrs? There's a reason for that.

So do you believe his running style is one that's built for him to be sustainable for 10 yrs? Do you think his running style is one that's a fit for ZB? Enough with changing around Kyle's system to fit him that's not how s**t works when your the one drafting someone.

I'll leave it at it's your opinion, I don't agree with it we need much more than a RB and even you stated all those yards last yr in the running game didn't mean s**t for wins...if we can't play defense then he's not gonna be on the field cause we will be throwing the ball playing catchup.

Honestly when you get a player in your head there's no debate for you it's him or bust. I'll take the idea of having options at 2 not just a RB.

I would love me some Fournette at #2, but do most people think someone like Cook or McCaffrey (though not at #2) would make a better tandem with Hyde? Especially with how Shannahan will use the RB's... At least that's what I'm thinking. Still, wouldn't mind Fournette though.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
No, I never said Hyde was a bad player, but Fournette is better and both are on cheapo rookie deals.

I am drafting him to split carries for now, it doesn't matter as I have already explained on the cheap contracts.

I will be paying less for Fournette and Hyde than Freeman and Coleman, so what do you care? Is costing me less, bro!!

But, once Hyde's contract is up which is next year, then that is a different matter, a decision will need to be made.

Or extend him since Fournette will still be on his cheapo rookie deal. And by the time Fournette's rookie deal is up, Hyde extension will also be up, then we make a decision.

I disagree with your RB shouldn't be drafted in the top 10 concept. And to stop me from bringing up Ezekiel Elliott won't change that. The point is bottom line you have to start somewhere with a rebuild. You can't just say well if you had a QB, an O-line, etc. then it may be different.

I haven't changed about drafting a QB at 2. But, by the same token I can't live in denial if the word on the street is Kyle and John are not high on the QBs. Again, like I said, if they go QB, say with "Mitchell", I will be cool with it as we are talking about QB here even if he is not BPA at 2.

However, if they don't want to take a QB until 2nd or 3rd, then it will have to be Fournette for me. He is just too good. He is a difference maker. At the 5 yard line with 5 secs to go, we need a TD to win the Super Bowl, Fournette is the guy that will get it done for us. That's my opinion.

Other positions are more valuable plain and simple...you want to start somewhere but why RB, when that position has proven to not be a position of longevity??

How many RBs have been drafted at two in the past 10+ yrs? There's a reason for that.

So do you believe his running style is one that's built for him to be sustainable for 10 yrs? Do you think his running style is one that's a fit for ZB? Enough with changing around Kyle's system to fit him that's not how s**t works when your the one drafting someone.

I'll leave it at it's your opinion, I don't agree with it we need much more than a RB and even you stated all those yards last yr in the running game didn't mean s**t for wins...if we can't play defense then he's not gonna be on the field cause we will be throwing the ball playing catchup.

Honestly when you get a player in your head there's no debate for you it's him or bust. I'll take the idea of having options at 2 not just a RB.

who do you prefer at 2? ruben foster or jonathan allen are the only players worth taking there other than fornette

and 9ers just paid malcolm smith a good chunk of change to start in the middle next to bowman. we just drafted bucker and armstead so i don't know if they'd take jonathan allen there though i'd love him or foster

it just seems the signings in FA and the make up of the DL are pointing to fornette being the top player on the board for us.

i'd love foster or allen or fornette, those are the 3 they should take one of those