RB Leonard Fournette

I would love for the Niners to go after dontae hightower still, and get an edge pass rusher in Free agency. This would shore up the defense and allow the team to use the first three picks on offensive weapons.

Pick 2- Leonarde Fournette

pick 34- TE- this is a stud TE class

pick 65- best Center or OL who can play multiple spots on OL, guard and tackle.

Originally posted by Rascal:
This draft is chalk full of defensive players too. Loads of EDGE, CB, you name it.

OK, forget about rounds for the moment, so if I say I would love a back the resembles Beast Mode or an Adrian Peterson for example, which back would you recommend to me?

Lol not many RBs are Lynch/AP....I see Samaje Perine having some AP attributes solid in between the tackle RB who bullies guys (he's bigger than AP). AP is in a class of his own IMHO he's got power, speed, and the hips to make cut backs. His only issue IMO was how upright he runs which leads to injuries. As far as Lynch goes Jay Ajayi always reminded me of him (I wanted to draft him bad). I could say Cook has a little Lynch in him. Good pass blocker who can catch the ball and has great balance like Lynch. Not as tough to tackle as him but not many are.

One guy in the mid rounds to check out is Marlon Mack he'd be a great fit for us as well....great change of direction and can catch the ball, also great long speed.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
His point was the Cowboys O-line is extremely strong, and that gave Elliot a much higher chance of success.

Saying 10+ might have been an exageration but you of all people should be able to recognise that considering how you embelish constantly to try and prove your point.

Anyone who doubts Fournette is "trashing" him to you, you've already said that not taking Fournette would be a ridiculous Baalke like move. You've already decided that anything other than your choice is the wrong one.

That is the definition of having no objectivity.

So, you still haven't explained what is his point? OK, Cowboys has a great O-line which gives Elliott a higher chance of success and therefore?? Therefore what? So, Elliott is overrated? Shouldn't be drafted in the 1st round? What?

Of course, I have decided Fournette is the pick for me at 2, much like some of you have already decided Thomas is your pick at 2, etc. Everyone has an opinion and an option. Do you see me going to say the Solomon Thomas thread and trash people? No. I don't do that, I respect other people's freedom of choice. So, is it unreasonable of me to expect the same from others when it comes to my personal choice of players??

Of course, I am objective, but you just don't agree with my objectivity that's all. That's OK, you could pick who you want and I pick mine. Is there something wrong with that?

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

You could have put 10+ other RBs in that situation and they get similar results

So, your point is Ezekiel Eliott sucks because he has a great O-line?

Originally posted by Rascal:

What is his point then?

I tried to point out Ezekiel Elliott is a pretty good back. He shot it down by saying more than 10+ backs could have rushed for 1,600 yards which may I remind you is a conjecture. He doesn't know that.

So, how is it I have lost all objectivity?

Don't think so, pal. LOL.

Come on man lol, it's funny how you maneuver through posts to fit your narrative. No I'm not implying that Zeke isn't very good.

It's obvious that their line is one of the tops in the league, couple that with a legit passing threat and it's easy to see that he was setup to succeed.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol not many RBs are Lynch/AP....I see Samaje Perine having some AP attributes solid in between the tackle RB who bullies guys (he's bigger than AP). AP is in a class of his own IMHO he's got power, speed, and the hips to make cut backs. His only issue IMO was how upright he runs which leads to injuries. As far as Lynch goes Jay Ajayi always reminded me of him (I wanted to draft him bad). I could say Cook has a little Lynch in him. Good pass blocker who can catch the ball and has great balance like Lynch. Not as tough to tackle as him but not many are.

One guy in the mid rounds to check out is Marlon Mack he'd be a great fit for us as well....great change of direction and can catch the ball, also great long speed.

So, I see you seem to have deliberately avoided Fournette. So, are you saying Fournette doesn't come close in resembling Beast Mode and AP as compared to some of these other guys you've mentioned here? In other words, where does Fournette stand amongst Perine, Cook and Mack?

Originally posted by illinois9er:
Come on man lol, it's funny how you maneuver through posts to fit your narrative. No I'm not implying that Zeke isn't very good.

It's obvious that their line is one of the tops in the league, couple that with a legit passing threat and it's easy to see that he was setup to succeed.

I know that.

But, I still don't understand your point though with regards to Elliott.

OK, so he has O-line and passing game help and therefore? So, you just said you are not saying he isn't very good, so what are you saying?

Originally posted by 9erred:
I would love for the Niners to go after dontae hightower still, and get an edge pass rusher in Free agency. This would shore up the defense and allow the team to use the first three picks on offensive weapons.

Pick 2- Leonarde Fournette

pick 34- TE- this is a stud TE class

pick 65- best Center or OL who can play multiple spots on OL, guard and tackle.

You, the man!!

Hightower would be a statement signing. The dude is good.

Fournette will be a fantastic pick at 2 especially when you couple that with Hyde and Juice in our run game.

I would love a great pass-catching TE too. I have been wanting the 9ers get one before and since bloody Baalke went after McDonald.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol not many RBs are Lynch/AP....I see Samaje Perine having some AP attributes solid in between the tackle RB who bullies guys (he's bigger than AP). AP is in a class of his own IMHO he's got power, speed, and the hips to make cut backs. His only issue IMO was how upright he runs which leads to injuries. As far as Lynch goes Jay Ajayi always reminded me of him (I wanted to draft him bad). I could say Cook has a little Lynch in him. Good pass blocker who can catch the ball and has great balance like Lynch. Not as tough to tackle as him but not many are.

One guy in the mid rounds to check out is Marlon Mack he'd be a great fit for us as well....great change of direction and can catch the ball, also great long speed.

So, I see you seem to have deliberately avoided Fournette. So, are you saying Fournette doesn't come close in resembling Beast Mode and AP as compared to some of these other guys you've mentioned here? In other words, where does Fournette stand amongst Perine, Cook and Mack?

You can say his play looks like AP a little just like other RBs you can take a little from each person's game and compare it to a NFL RB. I'm not gonna say he's an exact replica to AP cause he's not.

Your trying very hard to put words in my mouth to try and prove some sort of point lol.

Perine is a bull that runs over people (like AP), cook has great balance and is a true 3-down back (like Lynch), Mack has nothing to do with comparing AP/Lynch I simply said go watch him play, He's got a lot of the qualities you want in a COP back with upside in a ZBS.

Not sure if you saw how piss poor our defense was last yr....probably the ONLY good thing we had going last yr was the running game.

Originally posted by illinois9er:
Come on man lol, it's funny how you maneuver through posts to fit your narrative. No I'm not implying that Zeke isn't very good.

It's obvious that their line is one of the tops in the league, couple that with a legit passing threat and it's easy to see that he was setup to succeed.

yes he seems to be doing that with everyone lol

9ers would be incredibly stupid to not take him at 2. it's not even close he's the best choice he will change the offense

Originally posted by iLL49er:
9ers would be incredibly stupid to not take him at 2. it's not even close he's the best choice he will change the offense

Oh yeah....do you think he's a fit for ZBS? I mean our defense was just amazing last yr lol

Originally posted by Rascal:

So, you still haven't explained what is his point? OK, Cowboys has a great O-line which gives Elliott a higher chance of success and therefore?? Therefore what? So, Elliott is overrated? Shouldn't be drafted in the 1st round? What?

Of course, I have decided Fournette is the pick for me at 2, much like some of you have already decided Thomas is your pick at 2, etc. Everyone has an opinion and an option. Do you see me going to say the Solomon Thomas thread and trash people? No. I don't do that, I respect other people's freedom of choice. So, is it unreasonable of me to expect the same from others when it comes to my personal choice of players??

Of course, I am objective, but you just don't agree with my objectivity that's all. That's OK, you could pick who you want and I pick mine. Is there something wrong with that?

I don't agree with your objectivity? How does that even make sense? Objectivity isn't the same as having an opinion.

Objectivity is a lack of bias. Are you saying I don't agree with your lack of bias?

Besides your second paragraph pretty much admits that you have a bias towards Fournette just like other people have a bias towards their fav picks in the draft. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not objective.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You can say his play looks like AP a little just like other RBs you can take a little from each person's game and compare it to a NFL RB. I'm not gonna say he's an exact replica to AP cause he's not.

Your trying very hard to put words in my mouth to try and prove some sort of point lol.

Perine is a bull that runs over people (like AP), cook has great balance and is a true 3-down back (like Lynch), Mack has nothing to do with comparing AP/Lynch I simply said go watch him play, He's got a lot of the qualities you want in a COP back with upside in a ZBS.

Not sure if you saw how piss poor our defense was last yr....probably the ONLY good thing we had going last yr was the running game.

Not trying to put words in your mouth.

I just want to find out who have you got that fits my RB brief better than Fournette.

Or let me ask you this, what if Fournette weren't rated nor mocked to go in the 1st round. What if he was rated as a 3rd round guy, would you have recommended him to me big time then?

Also, the numbers might suggest we had a good running game going last year, but in reality we really didn't. All those yards didn't amount to much.

I understand about the situation with the D. But, there are a million and one ways to rebuild a team. You could try to spread the ammo around evenly between offense and defense, that's one way. Or you could may be pick one side of the ball first. But, even more importantly in my view is that what BPA talents you have at 2. We can at least agree on one thing that Garrett is without doubt the undisputed No. 1 guy in the draft. However, after that it is almost anything goes. There isn't another Garrett for the 2 pick as in a clear best player at 2 in my opinion.

For me, Fournette is that guy. I know he is not your guy. But, BPA he is my guy and I think it will be a huge loss for the 9ers not to take him.

Originally posted by iLL49er:
9ers would be incredibly stupid to not take him at 2. it's not even close he's the best choice he will change the offense

Word, bro!!

Rascal just curious, would you rather take Fournette at 2 or trade down mid round and take Cook?