RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:

Jesus dude did you seriously try to make that analogy above?

Ok captain hindsight. Who would you think was a better pick for Minnesota that year? Btw they weren't picking #2 overall. Think they would've taken him then?

But if you want to use that hindsight of yours then yeah they should've drafted Willis or Revis instead. They probably would've won a lot more games though their fans wouldn't be able to homer up as much when playing fantasy football...

If anything that situation shows why you shouldn't do it unless the rest of your team is situated or at least it's the last piece of the offense.

Did I say there was a better pick then AP? I'm not seeing your point there. And no they wouldn't win more games unless you brought in a qb. Notice the 1 and only year AP had a qb he was 1 play away from a SB.

Yes they would have won more games if they had Willis over AP. Because Willis>AP

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:

Jesus dude did you seriously try to make that analogy above?

Ok captain hindsight. Who would you think was a better pick for Minnesota that year? Btw they weren't picking #2 overall. Think they would've taken him then?

But if you want to use that hindsight of yours then yeah they should've drafted Willis or Revis instead. They probably would've won a lot more games though their fans wouldn't be able to homer up as much when playing fantasy football...

If anything that situation shows why you shouldn't do it unless the rest of your team is situated or at least it's the last piece of the offense.

Did I say there was a better pick then AP? I'm not seeing your point there. And no they wouldn't win more games unless you brought in a qb. Notice the 1 and only year AP had a qb he was 1 play away from a SB.

Yes they would have won more games if they had Willis over AP. Because Willis>AP

Maybe if they had Willis and another elite RB. Not if they had Willis and Asiata or whoever AP's main backup was.

Just like we would've lost more with a RB worse than Gore even with Willis.

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Originally posted by btthepunk:

Maybe if they had Willis and another elite RB. Not if they had Willis and Asiata or whoever AP's main backup was.

Just like we would've lost more with a RB worse than Gore even with Willis.

Definitely agree on that one. I'm confident they would have found another RB that could get them over 1000 yards whether it be the draft or free agency. Obviously not as good as AP but good enough where you're getting 4.5 yards a carry instead of the 4.9 you get from AP.

But you ain't finding a guy even remotely close to Willis in free agency. Their defense was nice, if they had Willis then it would've been unstoppable.

Originally posted by btthepunk:
He's by far the best offensive player in the draft, without a doubt. He can fit any and every offense.

I prefer defense or trade down at #2 but the value is definitely there to take him at #2.

Not only that, some even say he is the 2nd best player overall after Myles Garrett.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by btthepunk:
He's by far the best offensive player in the draft, without a doubt. He can fit any and every offense.

I prefer defense or trade down at #2 but the value is definitely there to take him at #2.

Not only that, some even say he is the 2nd best player overall after Myles Garrett.

Best offensive player in the draft, not even close.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by btthepunk:
He's by far the best offensive player in the draft, without a doubt. He can fit any and every offense.

I prefer defense or trade down at #2 but the value is definitely there to take him at #2.

Not only that, some even say he is the 2nd best player overall after Myles Garrett.

Best offensive player in the draft, not even close.

Or put it in another way, Leonard Fournette is basically the Myles Garrett equivalent on offense in this draft.

There isn't a single offensive player who can even sniff Fournette.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Notice how all those cuts are on a vertical axis. He's already in motion. Nobody ever questioned his ability to that.

His issues occur when you force him to stop his feet and use lateral agility. His lower body is stiff, and as a result, he has issues with stopping and restarting his feet. If he doesn't play behind a line that creates a runway for him, he's going to suffer. He can't create on his own.

I know you love to bring up beast mode--which is a terrible comparison because they're nothing alike. Look at beast mode's ability to stop and restart with no issues at all. Note how he creates on his own after he presses the line of scrimmage. Marshawn Lynch is ridiculously explosive out of a stand still. He doesn't need to be in motion to plow someone over. He also runs with a wider base(hip flexibility/dexterity that Fournette lacks) that allows him to play through contact without having to have a full head of steam. Fournette can't do that.

You've never really seen anyone rush the ball until you've seen Marshawn Lynch. pic.twitter.com/96pscG15cx

— Ted Nguyen (@RaidersAnalysis) February 4, 2017

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Definitely agree on that one. I'm confident they would have found another RB that could get them over 1000 yards whether it be the draft or free agency. Obviously not as good as AP but good enough where you're getting 4.5 yards a carry instead of the 4.9 you get from AP.

But you ain't finding a guy even remotely close to Willis in free agency. Their defense was nice, if they had Willis then it would've been unstoppable.

And 7 other Pro Bowlers on d the majority of them 10 picks like our defense had. Do people not get how loaded we were?

A very interesting discussion, bottom line Leonard Fournette is the best running back in this draft.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

LOL. Almost Every team in the NFL would draft Fournette at #25.

I wouldn't, he is a 2 down back and that doesn't interest me.

LOL. That is another bonafide hater comment. Wouldn't take Fournette at 25.

OK, bro, whatever you say. LOL.

My ignore list is growing by the minute. LOL.

Not a hater comment, but an opinion which he is entitled to.

Just because others opinions differ from yours does not make them haters.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
LOL. Almost Every team in the NFL would draft Fournette at #25.

I wouldn't, he is a 2 down back and that doesn't interest me.

LOL. That is another bonafide hater comment. Wouldn't take Fournette at 25.

OK, bro, whatever you say. LOL.

My ignore list is growing by the minute. LOL.

Not a hater comment, but an opinion which he is entitled to.

Just because others opinions differ from yours does not make them haters.

OK, if you say so.

Is like saying I wouldn't take Myles Garrett at 25.

That's not a hater comment right? OK, no problem. LOL.

I'd be down with this, Hyde yet to prove he can stay healthy for a season or even get 1k yard season

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Bottom 5 just like our o which had an equally brilliant mind leading it too. Nobody is saying don't address the d ever, don't ever pick up a qb. There's not a you have to start the rebuild here checklist. You only can draft a back after areas 1, 2, 3 , 5 and 7 have been addressed. I don't know what you guys are smoking there. Where I do agree is the position can be found later, is LF a good scheme fit?, and durability concerns but I don't see him as a bad pick either. Our line is still built for the power run, we've added a great fb+ one of the better blocking Te's in the league. Hyde can't stay healthy and is a fa next year so if LF is as advertised he can propel us to a top 5 rushing attack and

There is a difference between being bottom 5 and being the WORST but I commend you for phrasing it in that clever way as if they both were equally bad.

And last I looked our rushing offense was 4th in the league. We're in here talking about spending a #2 overall pick on a RB. Do you see him doing a lot to help our 32nd passing game? If you were advocating drafting one of the QBs at #2 or even a WR I may still not agree with you but at least I couldn't deny the need to improve the position.

But no matter how you guys slice it upgrading RB with so many issues on the squad just doesn't make sense. Fournette is a very good back but he is not a once in a blue moon type of prospect. Todd Gurley was supposed to be a game changer for the Rams too...how is that working out? Do you think they'd feel better about their team if they drafted Devante Parker and then grabbed David Johnson in the 3rd round?

#2 overall guys. We're talking about basically saying this guy makes our team better than any other player in this class. Is there any question he makes us a better team? Of course not. But does he make us that much better than some RB later in the draft but allow us to take an impact player on defense? A unit which was the WORST in the league, not bottom 5...the worst. Like historically bad. Not just last year bad.

If Fournette is the pick I'll support him 100% and hope any concerns I have about him will look stupid in hindsight but damn I just don't see it with RBs anymore. It's the easiest position to get production from, especially with Shanahan's system. Defense requires playmakers and you can never have enough.

Times have changed in the NFL. You can't win just by running the ball on offense but you still win with great defense.