RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

LMAO. All true really,they had some weapons... But there's a reason why Gurley stopped running hard and called it a middle school offense lol.

Yep, of course Fisher's schemes were crap. But, the main thing was the O-line, Gurley had zero chance as you saw with all those stats on the clip.

They do have some weapons, if they can fix that O-line, I think Sean McVay should be able to cook something up.

s**t that offense was brutal. It was fake hand off to Gurley then hand off to Austin, or fake hand off to Austin then hand off to Gurley.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

LMAO. All true really,they had some weapons... But there's a reason why Gurley stopped running hard and called it a middle school offense lol.

Yep, of course Fisher's schemes were crap. But, the main thing was the O-line, Gurley had zero chance as you saw with all those stats on the clip.

They do have some weapons, if they can fix that O-line, I think Sean McVay should be able to cook something up.

Very true. My brother is a Rams fan and wants a WR in second, told him don't be surprised if they go OL in second and WR in third. Robinson,Brown,Havenstein are all question marks.

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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Interesting strategy. Poor Saleh. I doubt Shanny would do him dirty like that.

It is not about doing Saleh dirty. The truth is you can't fix everything in one go, you just can't unless you have a million draft picks.

When resources are limited, what do you need to do? Prioritize of course.

To me, there is no point in trying to spread the draft ammo too thinly trying to cover as many positions as possible.

Like I said, the right thing to do is probably to focus on the offense first, get some points on the board, win a few games and keep the team morale intact.

Is not that bad, you take a pass rusher in the 3rd and a CB in the 4th. We will get there eventually. And let's be fair, you do know we have gone defense with the 1st pick for 4 consecutive years already right?

I agree that you can't fix everything at once, but this draft is just too stacked defensively not to try and load up on that side of the ball.

If we're going to try and go 6 wins, 9 wins, playoffs then I wouldn't want to be waiting until years 2 or 3 to be bringing in the defensive talent to meet that prohected trajectory. Would need them all to hit the ground running and that just doesn't always happen.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

I agree that you can't fix everything at once, but this draft is just too stacked defensively not to try and load up on that side of the ball.

If we're going to try and go 6 wins, 9 wins, playoffs then I wouldn't want to be waiting until years 2 or 3 to be bringing in the defensive talent to meet that prohected trajectory. Would need them all to hit the ground running and that just doesn't always happen.

A very well balanced team would be what we should all pray for haha. Divisions offenses at this moment are nothing special. I feel after the draft we'll see how teams stack up.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Interesting strategy. Poor Saleh. I doubt Shanny would do him dirty like that.

It is not about doing Saleh dirty. The truth is you can't fix everything in one go, you just can't unless you have a million draft picks.

When resources are limited, what do you need to do? Prioritize of course.

To me, there is no point in trying to spread the draft ammo too thinly trying to cover as many positions as possible.

Like I said, the right thing to do is probably to focus on the offense first, get some points on the board, win a few games and keep the team morale intact.

Is not that bad, you take a pass rusher in the 3rd and a CB in the 4th. We will get there eventually. And let's be fair, you do know we have gone defense with the 1st pick for 4 consecutive years already right?

This defense is stacked in RB, edge rushers, CB and Safeties. You take advantage of that if you're building a team. Not say "welll I can't fix everything so I'll just ignore the defense and go mostly offense, we might have the worst run d in history but at least we'll have a super cool offense!!"

Here some food for thought. From Charles Casserly, former Texans GM. This is gonna be tough for LF fans to read.

" I went around the room and asked all of them who they thought we should draft, and I started with Kyle because he was the youngest," Casserly, an analyst for the NFL Network, recalled Wednesday.

"Kyle said we should take Mario Williams, because he was the best player for the franchise.

"Think about that. He was an offensive coach, we needed a running back, and he said we should take the defensive player … That's why I always thought he would be a head coach, because he can see the big picture."


This is on the topic of Kyle influencing the Texans to pass up Reggie Bush in that draft for Mario Williams.

I don't follow college football AT ALL so most of the names being considered by the team don't mean much to me so I have to go to You Tube to see their highlight reels. Just looked at Fournette's reel. Always hard to judge running backs in college because a lot of guys they are playing against are going to be stock brokers, or systems analysts, or car mechanics in a few years, though sometimes you can tell. It was pretty easy to see that Elliot was going to be a good back when he came out of Ohio State and I remember watching Adrian Peterson once in college and thinking he'd be pretty good but a lot of guys who get picked high just never are worth it, Trent Richardson, being the most recent example. I have to confess though that watching Fournette's reel was pretty eye-opening. A lot of the holes he was running through were huge, which won't happen as much in the NFL, but man-oh-man, he really got through them in a hurry and delivered the hurt on a lot of safeties and corners that came up to try and stop him. With all of the other needs on the team it might be hard to justify taking a RB at #2 but if the team really believes that he could deliver that same kind of performance at the pro level it would certainly be worth considering.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
I agree that you can't fix everything at once, but this draft is just too stacked defensively not to try and load up on that side of the ball.

If we're going to try and go 6 wins, 9 wins, playoffs then I wouldn't want to be waiting until years 2 or 3 to be bringing in the defensive talent to meet that prohected trajectory. Would need them all to hit the ground running and that just doesn't always happen.

That doesn't make sense.

If you are saying defensive players are absolutely stacked in this draft which it is, then why can't you draft some in the mid rounds?

And if the argument is trying to meet the goal of 6 wins, 9 wins and playoffs, doesn't that make it even more important to go offense? Offense puts points on the board! You can't win games if you can't score!

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
This defense is stacked in RB, edge rushers, CB and Safeties. You take advantage of that if you're building a team. Not say "welll I can't fix everything so I'll just ignore the defense and go mostly offense, we might have the worst run d in history but at least we'll have a super cool offense!!"

No, RB is because Fournette is an exceptional talent and QB is a must strategically since we don't have a franchise QB. And then defense since it is stacked anyway.

You load up on defense, your offense is going to stink up the joint and you won't be able to put points on the board, as a result, you won't be able to win games.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Here some food for thought. From Charles Casserly, former Texans GM. This is gonna be tough for LF fans to read.

" I went around the room and asked all of them who they thought we should draft, and I started with Kyle because he was the youngest," Casserly, an analyst for the NFL Network, recalled Wednesday.

"Kyle said we should take Mario Williams, because he was the best player for the franchise.

"Think about that. He was an offensive coach, we needed a running back, and he said we should take the defensive player … That's why I always thought he would be a head coach, because he can see the big picture."

This is on the topic of Kyle influencing the Texans to pass up Reggie Bush in that draft for Mario Williams.

So...going by that logic, we need a pass rusher and Kyle will say take Fournette because he is the best player then? Cool!

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I don't follow college football AT ALL so most of the names being considered by the team don't mean much to me so I have to go to You Tube to see their highlight reels. Just looked at Fournette's reel. Always hard to judge running backs in college because a lot of guys they are playing against are going to be stock brokers, or systems analysts, or car mechanics in a few years, though sometimes you can tell. It was pretty easy to see that Elliot was going to be a good back when he came out of Ohio State and I remember watching Adrian Peterson once in college and thinking he'd be pretty good but a lot of guys who get picked high just never are worth it, Trent Richardson, being the most recent example. I have to confess though that watching Fournette's reel was pretty eye-opening. A lot of the holes he was running through were huge, which won't happen as much in the NFL, but man-oh-man, he really got through them in a hurry and delivered the hurt on a lot of safeties and corners that came up to try and stop him. With all of the other needs on the team it might be hard to justify taking a RB at #2 but if the team really believes that he could deliver that same kind of performance at the pro level it would certainly be worth considering.

Fournette is the real deal, the undisputed No.1 back in this draft and a top 10 best player, period!

Originally posted by Rascal:

That doesn't make sense.

If you are saying defensive players are absolutely stacked in this draft which it is, then why can't you draft some in the mid rounds?

And if the argument is trying to meet the goal of 6 wins, 9 wins and playoffs, doesn't that make it even more important to go offense? Offense puts points on the board! You can't win games if you can't score!

Lol. After 114 pages of arguing for Fournette in a stacked RB draft your response to defense is "if it's stacked, why not take it in the mid rounds?"

Our FA was largely focused on offense. We already have a historically bad defense without addressing it in FA. Therefore taking advantage of a stacked defensive draft makes sense because we could potentially get 2-3 instant to short term starters on defense which is in desperate need of addressing.

I know you want to go all in on offense, but there's point scoring 35 points if your opponent is scoring 40. Stopping points is just as important as scoring them so it doesn't make it more important to go offense.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Lol. After 114 pages of arguing for Fournette in a stacked RB draft your response to defense is "if it's stacked, why not take it in the mid rounds?"

Our FA was largely focused on offense. We already have a historically bad defense without addressing it in FA. Therefore taking advantage of a stacked defensive draft makes sense because we could potentially get 2-3 instant to short term starters on defense which is in desperate need of addressing.

I know you want to go all in on offense, but there's point scoring 35 points if your opponent is scoring 40. Stopping points is just as important as scoring them so it doesn't make it more important to go offense.

That is if we can even score 35 points in the first place. That is the point!

In the NFL, even if you win by 1 point it is still a win and that's what matters.

Furthermore, apart from Carlos Hyde's usual injury woes, you do know the guy is currently still recovering from MCL right? Even if he is ready to go by the time season kicks-off, don't be too surprised if he goes down again. Then, what will we be left with? A bunch of scrubs, Harris, Hightower and frigging Mike Davis that's who. Even with Bobby Turner, you think these scrubs can run like Carlos Hyde and replace his production? I highly doubt that. Then, you add on contract year for Hyde, I think the writing is on the wall.