RB Leonard Fournette

A 1 point win scoring 35 points is no different than a 1 point win holding the opposition to 28 so i still don't see how D is less important in this scenario.

Well aware of Hyde's injury issues, I'm not suggesting we go into the season with all our hopes pinned on his durability.

In my ideal scenario we trade back, have a first and 2 second round picks to strengthen the D and then use a 3rd to pick up a versatile RB.

Fournette may be the best overall running back, but he's not the only guy who can get the job done. I don't see the returns on Fournette being as large as the returns on a strengthened D wpuld provide.

While we still need upgrades I think we've added enough pieces to build a foundation on O, but I don't feel that way about D. That's just my personal preference.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
A 1 point win scoring 35 points is no different than a 1 point win holding the opposition to 28 so i still don't see how D is less important in this scenario.

Well aware of Hyde's injury issues, I'm not suggesting we go into the season with all our hopes pinned on his durability.

In my ideal scenario we trade back, have a first and 2 second round picks to strengthen the D and then use a 3rd to pick up a versatile RB.

Fournette may be the best overall running back, but he's not the only guy who can get the job done. I don't see the returns on Fournette being as large as the returns on a strengthened D wpuld provide.

While we still need upgrades I think we've added enough pieces to build a foundation on O, but I don't feel that way about D. That's just my personal preference.

What if we don't extend Hyde?

You think the 3rd rounder can replace Hyde? Sounds like a downgrade to me.

So, you want to trade down and take 3 x defensive players with 1 x 1st and 2 x 2nd?

What happened to QB? You are not taking a QB? You want to bank on Cousins/Garoppolo/Darnold for next year??

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

A 1 point win scoring 35 points is no different than a 1 point win holding the opposition to 28 so i still don't see how D is less important in this scenario.

Well aware of Hyde's injury issues, I'm not suggesting we go into the season with all our hopes pinned on his durability.

In my ideal scenario we trade back, have a first and 2 second round picks to strengthen the D and then use a 3rd to pick up a versatile RB.

Fournette may be the best overall running back, but he's not the only guy who can get the job done. I don't see the returns on Fournette being as large as the returns on a strengthened D wpuld provide.

While we still need upgrades I think we've added enough pieces to build a foundation on O, but I don't feel that way about D. That's just my personal preference.

What if we don't extend Hyde?

You think the 3rd rounder can replace Hyde? Sounds like a downgrade to me.

So, you want to trade down and take 3 x defensive players with 1 x 1st and 2 x 2nd?

What happened to QB? You are not taking a QB? You want to bank on Cousins/Garoppolo/Darnold for next year??

Yes

Originally posted by Rascal:

What if we don't extend Hyde?

You think the 3rd rounder can replace Hyde? Sounds like a downgrade to me.

So, you want to trade down and take 3 x defensive players with 1 x 1st and 2 x 2nd?

What happened to QB? You are not taking a QB? You want to bank on Cousins/Garoppolo/Darnold for next year??

Yes I would go 3 defensive players with our first 3 if we picked up a second 2nd.

Yes I don't see the rush for a QB right now. Happy to see how it plays out next season. I would draft a qb this year just not in the first 2 rounds unless one of the top prospects seriously slid to wherever our hypothetical second 2nd is.

Whether we extend Hyde or not would depend on a lot of factors. Does he last the season, is he productive, does whoever we draft show enough to fill the void alongside another draft pick in next years draft etc.

It won't be a money issue if we don't re-sign Hyde and I doubt we release him with no idea on what plan B is so I'm not too concerned about hypotheticals on Hyde at the moment.

Originally posted by Rascal:
What if we don't extend Hyde?

You think the 3rd rounder can replace Hyde? Sounds like a downgrade to me.

So, you want to trade down and take 3 x defensive players with 1 x 1st and 2 x 2nd?

What happened to QB? You are not taking a QB? You want to bank on Cousins/Garoppolo/Darnold for next year??

Considering you can find good backs in the 3rd round, yes it is possible to find someone in the 3rd round who could supplant Hyde if need be. And draft history at the RB position has proven this as have the Shanahan's, time and time and time again over the years.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Yes I would go 3 defensive players with our first 3 if we picked up a second 2nd.

Yes I don't see the rush for a QB right now. Happy to see how it plays out next season. I would draft a qb this year just not in the first 2 rounds unless one of the top prospects seriously slid to wherever our hypothetical second 2nd is.

Whether we extend Hyde or not would depend on a lot of factors. Does he last the season, is he productive, does whoever we draft show enough to fill the void alongside another draft pick in next years draft etc.

It won't be a money issue if we don't re-sign Hyde and I doubt we release him with no idea on what plan B is so I'm not too concerned about hypotheticals on Hyde at the moment.

I can't do it, I just can't nor do I think that's what John would do in the draft. No way we go defense for the first 3 picks.

You keep saying our defense sucks, but could coaching be a big part of it? May be we will do better in 4-3 than 3-4?

It just seems to me you have a bias on defense and I will tell you why. Right off the bat, we have drafted on defense in not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 years in a row with our 1st round picks, Eric Reid, Jimmie Ward, Aric Armstead and DeForest Buckner. It is not like those are scrubs.

Then, you look at the offense, who have we drafted in recent years that is any good? Carlos Hyde who was a 2nd rounder and he can't stay on the field. Who else? Joshua Garnett who hasn't shown much. Then, there are a whole bunch of them who are either not even here anymore or in fact out of the league like AJ Jenkins, LaMichael James and Quinton Patton. Must I go on? On top if that, not to mention we don't even have a franchise QB. No wonder we suck.

I am sure if you think about objectively you will see where I am coming from cos there is just no way in hell you could possibly argue about our offensive drafting, courtesy of our beloved friend Trent Baalke.

Other than that, may be we will just leave it as that or as they say agree to disagree.

I see where you're coming from i just don't share the viewpoint. You want offense, I want defense.

I'm not overly concerned with what we did in previous drafts. We're starting with a clean slate and looking at the team plus what we did in free agency I would go defense.

Our offensive drafting has been poor no doubt, but this isn't a draft flush with offensive talent. In my opinion there's more to be gained defensively in this draft.

I like Williams, McCaffrey and Davis but I'm not convinced on any of them as top 10 picks in regards to value. A trade back to 10-15 would potentially alter my picks. The only top 10 offensive player imo is Fournette and lets be honest, everything that needs to be said on that sibject has been said.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

I see where you're coming from i just don't share the viewpoint. You want offense, I want defense.

I'm not overly concerned with what we did in previous drafts. We're starting with a clean slate and looking at the team plus what we did in free agency I would go defense.

Our offensive drafting has been poor no doubt, but this isn't a draft flush with offensive talent. In my opinion there's more to be gained defensively in this draft.

I like Williams, McCaffrey and Davis but I'm not convinced on any of them as top 10 picks in regards to value. A trade back to 10-15 would potentially alter my picks. The only top 10 offensive player imo is Fournette and lets be honest, everything that needs to be said on that sibject has been said.

We have already gone the route of a good/great defensive heavy team. Got us close but no cigar

Time to start building that offense

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by Rascal:

What if we don't extend Hyde?

You think the 3rd rounder can replace Hyde? Sounds like a downgrade to me.

So, you want to trade down and take 3 x defensive players with 1 x 1st and 2 x 2nd?

What happened to QB? You are not taking a QB? You want to bank on Cousins/Garoppolo/Darnold for next year??

Yes I would go 3 defensive players with our first 3 if we picked up a second 2nd.

Yes I don't see the rush for a QB right now. Happy to see how it plays out next season. I would draft a qb this year just not in the first 2 rounds unless one of the top prospects seriously slid to wherever our hypothetical second 2nd is.

Whether we extend Hyde or not would depend on a lot of factors. Does he last the season, is he productive, does whoever we draft show enough to fill the void alongside another draft pick in next years draft etc.

It won't be a money issue if we don't re-sign Hyde and I doubt we release him with no idea on what plan B is so I'm not too concerned about hypotheticals on Hyde at the moment.

This is the Baalke mindset that got the 49ers in this situation to begin with.

To rebuild a football team you draft the BPA period.

When the 49ers drafted Patrick Willis they had two average starting LBs and just as many holes as they do now. Same with Vernon Davis, EJ was better than average. Drafting strictly on need normally means passing on better players.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

This is the Baalke mindset that got the 49ers in this situation to begin with.

To rebuild a football team you draft the BPA period.

How is it a Baalke mindset?

A QB is not the BPA so it's not that.

Extending Hyde would entirely depend on how he performs and his durability and outside of seeing into the future that's impossible, so no can't be that.

Re-signing Hyde won't be a money issue, that's just a no brainer so can't be that.

So all that's left is me saying i would take defensive players. The only offensive player who could possibly be seen as BPA is Fournette and while I understand how some would take that view it's one I don't share.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

This is the Baalke mindset that got the 49ers in this situation to begin with.

To rebuild a football team you draft the BPA period.

When the 49ers drafted Patrick Willis they had two average starting LBs and just as many holes as they do now. Same with Vernon Davis, EJ was better than average. Drafting strictly on need normally means passing on better players.

So if a guard is BPA at two do you draft him?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

This is the Baalke mindset that got the 49ers in this situation to begin with.

To rebuild a football team you draft the BPA period.

When the 49ers drafted Patrick Willis they had two average starting LBs and just as many holes as they do now. Same with Vernon Davis, EJ was better than average. Drafting strictly on need normally means passing on better players.

So if a guard is BPA at two do you draft him?

Exactly. You can't just say "BPA". It's more like:

BPA at a position of value and need.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Exactly. You can't just say "BPA". It's more like:

BPA at a position of value and need.

Agreed gonna need context when bringing up BPA at two overall.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Exactly. You can't just say "BPA". It's more like:

BPA at a position of value and need.

I do think the grades are somewhat impacted by needs in a way but yeah...it has to be within reason especially in the first round.

If the grade is close you go with who you deem to be a bigger need/more impactful position. If the grade is astronomically higher you go with that guy or if it's a position you're completely stacked at and it's not one that rotates much you can try to trade down.

Originally posted by Rascal:

You think the 3rd rounder can replace Hyde? Sounds like a downgrade to me.

Yeah its too bad that none of those 3rd round RBs ever pan out, guys like Tevin Coleman, David Johnson, Demarco Murray, Jamaal Charles and oh there is that Frank Gore guy, he was okay I heard.


And this is the deepest draft for RBs in years.